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[usmccharles]

23 hours ago, Winchester said:

Jensen is going to be a very good guard and Urschel a very good strong athletic center. Ravens oline is still going to be very dominant on the interior. If Ron Stanley/Monroe is up to the task the oline is going to be quite very dominant again.

I Agree,  this is why I didn't think keeping KO would be worth what we had to pay him.   

[Winchester]

43 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

That is true. My point, however, was that we have a lot of young guys who have yet to reach their potential we've been talking all along. Just imagine, if B-Will and Jernigan become 7+ sacks guys, Gilmore and Maxx put up a combined 1000yds/10TD season, our O-Line keeps on progressing, Perriman goes for 800yds/7TDs (based on Torrey's rookie season), Mosley becomes the All Pro we all know he can become, if Shareece keeps shutting down WR2 like Benjamin and Bryant last year, and Jimmy and Weddle lead our secondary that Frazier organizes...

And honestly all I've written is fairly realistic. What kind of team are we going to be if we're injury free? Sky's the limit. Again, that's potential. Not unrealistic though.

You forgot some of the ravens best young talents. Will Henry, Kufusi,Dixon and Chris Moore t.Young . Will Henry and Kufusi could realistically hit 6+ sacks. Complete confidence in Jensen replacing KO at guard. The hole was at left tackle where KO could play well. Ron Stanley could be elite but he has to get stronger. Not optional. 

Edited May 30, 2016 by Winchester

[trevorsteadman]

2 hours ago, usmccharles said:

I Agree,  this is why I didn't think keeping KO would be worth what we had to pay him.   

And that is why on the other thread I said I would rather have Wallace, Watson, and Weddle over KO. 

[usmccharles]

3 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

And that is why on the other thread I said I would rather have Wallace, Watson, and Weddle over KO. 

Couldnt agree more

[Winchester]

8 hours ago, usmccharles said:

I Agree,  this is why I didn't think keeping KO would be worth what we had to pay him.   

If Ron Stanley tacks on some strength and plays well then letting KO go is no big deal. If he screws around going through the motions in the gym then we need a left tackle. And it is up to Monroe to play injury free. However I would of preferred to sign Mario Williams over Weddle. Weddle may have one good year but overall it will prove to be a bad signing. He was clearly not the same player last year. He was never an elite athlete and one of those players that can lose a step and be very good. That is basically what Chargers told him.Chargers knew it wouldn't resign him to the money he was looking for. But I get it. He is an upgrade but how much left in the tank. Mario Williams could of supercharged the rush til the young guys get up to speed. Wallace was not a bad signing. He is going on 30 and I would prefer the young talented receivers break out/be productive. Campanaro, Chris Moore and Breshad Perrimsn have speed and run sharper routes than Wallace. Demarcus Robinson is my favorite underrated WR in the draft but Chris Moore is very underrated as well and was surging just before the draft. He runs sharp routes but needs a little refinement at disguising his routes. Nonetheless a very talented complete WR and ravens have a trio of young fast talented WRs. Aiken may of been most productive but he should get leaped by more explosive,skilled wrs. Ben watson is very cool signing. He runs like wr and can block very well. And he is fanatical at building explosion and speed as well as tacking on muscle and getting stronger. He knows how to eat and tweak diets for  any desired results.And he loves teachinb his teammates. He is going to be very important in ravens young players reaching their peak athleticism and power!! Players like Kufusi, Will Henry, Ron Stanley, Maxx and Dixon will all benefit learning.

[usmccharles]

58 minutes ago, Winchester said:

If Ron Stanley tacks on some strength and plays well then letting KO go is no big deal. If he screws around going through the motions in the gym then we need a left tackle. And it is up to Monroe to play injury free. However I would of preferred to sign Mario Williams over Weddle. Weddle may have one good year but overall it will prove to be a bad signing. He was clearly not the same player last year. He was never an elite athlete and one of those players that can lose a step and be very good. That is basically what Chargers told him.Chargers knew it wouldn't resign him to the money he was looking for. But I get it. He is an upgrade but how much left in the tank. Mario Williams could of supercharged the rush til the young guys get up to speed. Wallace was not a bad signing. He is going on 30 and I would prefer the young talented receivers break out/be productive. Campanaro, Chris Moore and Breshad Perrimsn have speed and run sharper routes than Wallace. Demarcus Robinson is my favorite underrated WR in the draft but Chris Moore is very underrated as well and was surging just before the draft. He runs sharp routes but needs a little refinement at disguising his routes. Nonetheless a very talented complete WR and ravens have a trio of young fast talented WRs. Aiken may of been most productive but he should get leaped by more explosive,skilled wrs. Ben watson is very cool signing. He runs like wr and can block very well. And he is fanatical at building explosion and speed as well as tacking on muscle and getting stronger. He knows how to eat and tweak diets for  any desired results.And he loves teachinb his teammates. He is going to be very important in ravens young players reaching their peak athleticism and power!! Players like Kufusi, Will Henry, Ron Stanley, Maxx and Dixon will all benefit learning.

Williams was too much for us in my opinion, roughly 9 mill a year, especially when our front D is looking very good, besides we really needed to improve the secondary.  Sometimes you don't have to be a freak athlete to be good, just need the smarts to do it.  Just look at Ray Lewis, end of his career he was clearly affected by father time but he still was a very smart player.  Just because the Chargers didn't resign him doesn't mean anything, if we can get 3 solid years out of him as a starter there is no problem with the signing and like you said, he is an upgrade over what we have. 

Don't really get why you brought up all those other players when KO not coming back didn't affect any of it lol. 

[Winchester]

54 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Williams was too much for us in my opinion, roughly 9 mill a year, especially when our front D is looking very good, besides we really needed to improve the secondary.  Sometimes you don't have to be a freak athlete to be good, just need the smarts to do it.  Just look at Ray Lewis, end of his career he was clearly affected by father time but he still was a very smart player.  Just because the Chargers didn't resign him doesn't mean anything, if we can get 3 solid years out of him as a starter there is no problem with the signing and like you said, he is an upgrade over what we have. 

Don't really get why you brought up all those other players when KO not coming back didn't affect any of it lol. 

Young players breaking out including Jensen who will be a top 5 guard. I said back in January he looked better than Yanda week 16-17. Even got some arguments here when I said he is going to be a better guard than Zeitler. 

I believe Williams signed for about the same as Weddle. Williams would be a nice mentor for Kufusi. Show Kufusi how good he could be I'd he cut 16-20lbs of excess and tacked on 12-14 lbs of muscle and worked on his rush technique. To arrive at a leaner more explosive stronger refined 280 lbs. Kufusi could be as good as williams. Smarts can take you so far but you need athleticism.  Like a qb that is smart but with a weak inaccurate arm. Kufusi will mature his techniques. He is intelligent. He needs to max out power and athleticism to be as dominant as Mario Williams or even better. Would be cool to see Kufusi get to near the athlete Williams is.  30+ reps, 4.75 40, 34" vertical and 10' broad with sub 7 3 cone while maturing his techniques and mastering the scheme with mature instincts is very realistic for Kufusi. He could be better than Williams who is not the sharpest technician or a standout With mature to advanced instincts. That should be the goal for Kufusi. His ceiling is 16-20 sacks and a man among boys

Edited May 31, 2016 by Winchester

[usmccharles]

5 minutes ago, Winchester said:

Young players breaking out including Jensen who will be a top 5 guard. I said back in January he looked better than Yanda week 16-17. Even got some arguments here when I said he is going to be a better guard than Zeitler. 

I believe Williams signed for about the same as Weddle. Williams would be a nice mentor for Kufusi. Show Kufusi how good he could be I'd he cut 16-20lbs of excess and tacked on 12-14 lbs of muscle and worked on his rush technique. To arrive at a leaner more explosive stronger refined 280 lbs. Kufusi could be as good as williams. Smarts can take you so far but you need athleticism.  Like a qb that is smart but with a weak inaccurate arm. Kufusi will mature his techniques. He is intelligent. He needs to max out power and athleticism to be as dominant as Mario Williams or even better. Would be cool to see Kufusi get to near the athlete Williams is.  30+ reps, 4.75 40, 34" vertical and 10' broad with sub 7 3 cone while maturing his techniques and mastering the scheme with mature instincts is very realistic for Kufusi. He could be better than Williams who is not the sharpest technician or a standout With mature to advanced instincts. That should be the goal for Kufusi. His ceiling is 16-20 sacks and a man among boys

Williams signed 2 years for 17million.  I have no doubt that he would be a great mentor for Kaufusi, I think the FO placed hire value with improving the secondary with Weddle so they could draft pass rushers for the future.  If we didn't get Weddle, what would we have done? 

I have big hopes for Kaufusi

Jensen will be good for us, but saying he was better than Yanda for 2 games is not enough production to really judge.  All in all, I think our OL will be fine, possibly could be dominant, but your right, it really depends on the Stanley/Monroe situation. 

[Willbacker]

While Williams would have provided experience and extra passrush he is not as great in a 3-4 D and you would have paid top dollar for a situational passruher whereas we got a guy in Weddle who'll play every down and direct the backfield.

[ravensdan]

On May 30, 2016 at 4:39 PM, Passepartout said:

Just if that Flacco can remain healthy for 2016, he is the face of the team.

Exactly. It really doesn't matter what anyone else does if Flacco is not 100%healthy mentally and physically this team is going no where. Can't make any prognosis without seeing him go. 

[ravensdan]

15 hours ago, Winchester said:

If Ron Stanley tacks on some strength and plays well then letting KO go is no big deal. If he screws around going through the motions in the gym then we need a left tackle. And it is up to Monroe to play injury free. However I would of preferred to sign Mario Williams over Weddle. Weddle may have one good year but overall it will prove to be a bad signing. He was clearly not the same player last year. He was never an elite athlete and one of those players that can lose a step and be very good. That is basically what Chargers told him.Chargers knew it wouldn't resign him to the money he was looking for. But I get it. He is an upgrade but how much left in the tank. Mario Williams could of supercharged the rush til the young guys get up to speed. Wallace was not a bad signing. He is going on 30 and I would prefer the young talented receivers break out/be productive. Campanaro, Chris Moore and Breshad Perrimsn have speed and run sharper routes than Wallace. Demarcus Robinson is my favorite underrated WR in the draft but Chris Moore is very underrated as well and was surging just before the draft. He runs sharp routes but needs a little refinement at disguising his routes. Nonetheless a very talented complete WR and ravens have a trio of young fast talented WRs. Aiken may of been most productive but he should get leaped by more explosive,skilled wrs. Ben watson is very cool signing. He runs like wr and can block very well. And he is fanatical at building explosion and speed as well as tacking on muscle and getting stronger. He knows how to eat and tweak diets for  any desired results.And he loves teachinb his teammates. He is going to be very important in ravens young players reaching their peak athleticism and power!! Players like Kufusi, Will Henry, Ron Stanley, Maxx and Dixon will all benefit learning.

I don't think Mario Williams is a Raven. Not when you hear Rex's comments about a lack of toughness. Sheard would have been a great pickup a year ago. Only guy I really liked was way overpaid in Vernon. Too bad he couldn't fly under the radar a bit more. 

[Winchester]

31 minutes ago, ravensdan said:

I don't think Mario Williams is a Raven. Not when you hear Rex's comments about a lack of toughness. Sheard would have been a great pickup a year ago. Only guy I really liked was way overpaid in Vernon. Too bad he couldn't fly under the radar a bit more. 

Totally!! I liked Bruce Irvin as well,not as much

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

On 5/31/2016 at 1:32 AM, Winchester said:

If Ron Stanley tacks on some strength and plays well then letting KO go is no big deal. If he screws around going through the motions in the gym then we need a left tackle. And it is up to Monroe to play injury free. However I would of preferred to sign Mario Williams over Weddle. Weddle may have one good year but overall it will prove to be a bad signing. He was clearly not the same player last year. He was never an elite athlete and one of those players that can lose a step and be very good. That is basically what Chargers told him.Chargers knew it wouldn't resign him to the money he was looking for. But I get it. He is an upgrade but how much left in the tank. Mario Williams could of supercharged the rush til the young guys get up to speed. Wallace was not a bad signing. He is going on 30 and I would prefer the young talented receivers break out/be productive. Campanaro, Chris Moore and Breshad Perrimsn have speed and run sharper routes than Wallace. Demarcus Robinson is my favorite underrated WR in the draft but Chris Moore is very underrated as well and was surging just before the draft. He runs sharp routes but needs a little refinement at disguising his routes. Nonetheless a very talented complete WR and ravens have a trio of young fast talented WRs. Aiken may of been most productive but he should get leaped by more explosive,skilled wrs. Ben watson is very cool signing. He runs like wr and can block very well. And he is fanatical at building explosion and speed as well as tacking on muscle and getting stronger. He knows how to eat and tweak diets for  any desired results.And he loves teachinb his teammates. He is going to be very important in ravens young players reaching their peak athleticism and power!! Players like Kufusi, Will Henry, Ron Stanley, Maxx and Dixon will all benefit learning.

Mario Williams issue in Buffalo with Rex Ryan was that he didnt want to have to drop into coverage and do all the things that he asks his OLB's to do in his 3-4 D. Ours is very similar and would have asked him to do the same things. For that money, I would want more than just a 3rd down specialist (we'd be paying Doom and Mario big money to do essentially the same thing), which would also limit the opportunities for guys like Z, Correa, Judon and Ochi.

IMO we already have a solid rotation with Suggs, Zadarius (who came on strong at the end of last year and should fill the Upshaw role perfectly, while providing more upside in terms of pass rush), and Doom. Any X factor we can get out of Correa, Judon, or Ochi this year is just a bonus... Mario, while i like as a player, i think would have been way too much money for more of the same; and for a player who hated playing in a similar scheme. All he wants to do is pass rush, which is fine, but we dont really have a place for a highly paid player to do only that. For that money, the only reason id want him is as insurance for Suggs - which would mean he'd have to be able to play the same role.... set the edge, stuff the run, drop into coverage, and rush the passer effectively.

Weddle, while maybe not having as much upside for the position as Williams from an athletic and play making standpoint... i think for what he brings to the table in terms of lining the secondary up, recognizing route concepts, and just keeping everything organized and calm on the back end, is more valuable overall to the team and for less money. His impact on the secondary is a bigger upgrade overall to the team than bringing in situational pass rusher for big money.

[trevorsteadman]

2 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Mario Williams issue in Buffalo with Rex Ryan was that he didnt want to have to drop into coverage and do all the things that he asks his OLB's to do in his 3-4 D. Ours is very similar and would have asked him to do the same things. For that money, I would want more than just a 3rd down specialist (we'd be paying Doom and Mario big money to do essentially the same thing), which would also limit the opportunities for guys like Z, Correa, Judon and Ochi.

IMO we already have a solid rotation with Suggs, Zadarius (who came on strong at the end of last year and should fill the Upshaw role perfectly, while providing more upside in terms of pass rush), and Doom. Any X factor we can get out of Correa, Judon, or Ochi this year is just a bonus... Mario, while i like as a player, i think would have been way too much money for more of the same; and for a player who hated playing in a similar scheme. All he wants to do is pass rush, which is fine, but we dont really have a place for a highly paid player to do only that. For that money, the only reason id want him is as insurance for Suggs - which would mean he'd have to be able to play the same role.... set the edge, stuff the run, drop into coverage, and rush the passer effectively.

Weddle, while maybe not having as much upside for the position as Williams from an athletic and play making standpoint... i think for what he brings to the table in terms of lining the secondary up, recognizing route concepts, and just keeping everything organized and calm on the back end, is more valuable overall to the team and for less money. His impact on the secondary is a bigger upgrade overall to the team than bringing in situational pass rusher for big money.

Weddle is now the quarterback of our defense. He will be a fan favorite by week 3. It seems that a lot of people hating on Weddle are the ones that bashed the Steve Smith signing and that has turned out fantastic. Just because both don't have the measurables doesn't mean they are not good. They are both near the top of their position their entire careers for a reason..

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

BOLDIN is still a fa on the market?? A favorite TD target of Joe.....is it economical, and is he better than the crop you have today? Will Ozzie make the call? Does Boldin make us better?

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

I take it that ship as sailed for some of you, I still remember all those td's in 2012, and since, well we have gone backwards....not that I dont have optimism for this year, but I would easily take him over Butler and others

[Winchester]

The same people negging this idea will be the first to get all excited if ravens actually signed Boldin. People do not like players if those players are unlikely to become ravens anyways.  But if he becomes a raven he is future all pro. Perriman was not anybody's favorite wr in the draft. Everybody liked strong or Devin Smith. Then after ravens picked Perriman everybody says he is going to be great. I mean I do not want Boldin unless he is interested in a player/mentor kind of deal. But nobody wants him cuz of his age. But the same people think SS is going to be a #1 wr again at 37 coming off achilles. And Suggs is going to hit double digit sacks at 34 coming off achilles. But Boldin is a bad idea because of his age. I would prefer younger WRs get the reps but in my opinion Boldin would be a better mentor than SS

[usmccharles]

8 hours ago, OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL said:

BOLDIN is still a fa on the market?? A favorite TD target of Joe.....is it economical, and is he better than the crop you have today? Will Ozzie make the call? Does Boldin make us better?

 

6 hours ago, OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL said:

I take it that ship as sailed for some of you, I still remember all those td's in 2012, and since, well we have gone backwards....not that I dont have optimism for this year, but I would easily take him over Butler and others

Well that was 3 seasons ago, we cant live in the past.  Everyone here loves Boldin, I do as well, but you have to move the franchise forward.  Aiken isn't on par with Boldin but he can get the job done just fine as a number 2-3 guy and he is cheap.  Now, if Boldin wants to take a Vet minimum then that's a different story.  People on here complain all the time that we sign old vets and now your advocating for a 36 year old guy who has built a career on being a possession guy.  Signing Boldin would also hinder the development of all the younger WRs we have and some look like they have some real talent.  I get the idea of wanting to bring him in, but it doesn't make that much sense unless hes as cheap as possible, even then I don't know If I would.  I see him in NE.

2 hours ago, Winchester said:

The same people negging this idea will be the first to get all excited if ravens actually signed Boldin. People do not like players if those players are unlikely to become ravens anyways.  But if he becomes a raven he is future all pro. Perriman was not anybody's favorite wr in the draft. Everybody liked strong or Devin Smith. Then after ravens picked Perriman everybody says he is going to be great. I mean I do not want Boldin unless he is interested in a player/mentor kind of deal. But nobody wants him cuz of his age. But the same people think SS is going to be a #1 wr again at 37 coming off achilles. And Suggs is going to hit double digit sacks at 34 coming off achilles. But Boldin is a bad idea because of his age. I would prefer younger WRs get the reps but in my opinion Boldin would be a better mentor than SS

Its not like we are relying just on SSr, that's why I don't have an issue with it.  I like what we are doing with our WR corps, bringing in guys via FA and drafting some young guys, reminds me of our 2012 corps a little.  I don't care about having an elite number 1 guy, you just need a good group that meshes well together. 

[Winchester]

3 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

 

Well that was 3 seasons ago, we cant live in the past.  Everyone here loves Boldin, I do as well, but you have to move the franchise forward.  Aiken isn't on par with Boldin but he can get the job done just fine as a number 2-3 guy and he is cheap.  Now, if Boldin wants to take a Vet minimum then that's a different story.  People on here complain all the time that we sign old vets and now your advocating for a 36 year old guy who has built a career on being a possession guy.  Signing Boldin would also hinder the development of all the younger WRs we have and some look like they have some real talent.  I get the idea of wanting to bring him in, but it doesn't make that much sense unless hes as cheap as possible, even then I don't know If I would.  I see him in NE.

Its not like we are relying just on SSr, that's why I don't have an issue with it.  I like what we are doing with our WR corps, bringing in guys via FA and drafting some young guys, reminds me of our 2012 corps a little.  I don't care about having an elite number 1 guy, you just need a good group that meshes well together. 

I agree. Do not need a Julio Jones or an green #1. Just a legit #1 that scares defenses and can win on every level.  If Chris Moore plays to his max he will make a fine #1. If Campanaro can play 16 games he will be a really good #2wr.

[jazz1988]

6 hours ago, Winchester said:

The same people negging this idea will be the first to get all excited if ravens actually signed Boldin. People do not like players if those players are unlikely to become ravens anyways.  But if he becomes a raven he is future all pro. Perriman was not anybody's favorite wr in the draft. Everybody liked strong or Devin Smith. Then after ravens picked Perriman everybody says he is going to be great. I mean I do not want Boldin unless he is interested in a player/mentor kind of deal. But nobody wants him cuz of his age. But the same people think SS is going to be a #1 wr again at 37 coming off achilles. And Suggs is going to hit double digit sacks at 34 coming off achilles. But Boldin is a bad idea because of his age. I would prefer younger WRs get the reps but in my opinion Boldin would be a better mentor than SS

 

How you know for a fact that Perriman wasn't anybody's favorite wide receiver in the draft? Rather people like Perriman or not he still has more upside than Devin Smith and Jaelen Strong. Why would The Ravens want Anquan Boldin when they have  Kamar Aiken making 2 million this year which is a player with a similar  skillset as Boldin but just faster?  Honestly I'm not ruling it out for Steve Smith to be a 1# wide receiver again it's quite clear last year the guy  wasn't playing like  a 37 year old  and he obviously knows how to take care of his body. I don't understanding how Boldin would be a better mentor than Steve Smith especially since Smith is the  better route runner and seems to be more savvy route runner .

[edthehead]

4 hours ago, Winchester said:

I agree. Do not need a Julio Jones or an green #1. Just a legit #1 that scares defenses and can win on every level.  If Chris Moore plays to his max he will make a fine #1. If Campanaro can play 16 games he will be a really good #2wr.

I think you said it best

if these players play to their potential 

I really think our WR corp  mixed with our TE's can and will be special

[RaineV1]

4 hours ago, usmccharles said:

 

Well that was 3 seasons ago, we cant live in the past.  Everyone here loves Boldin, I do as well, but you have to move the franchise forward.  Aiken isn't on par with Boldin but he can get the job done just fine as a number 2-3 guy and he is cheap.  Now, if Boldin wants to take a Vet minimum then that's a different story.  People on here complain all the time that we sign old vets and now your advocating for a 36 year old guy who has built a career on being a possession guy.  Signing Boldin would also hinder the development of all the younger WRs we have and some look like they have some real talent.  I get the idea of wanting to bring him in, but it doesn't make that much sense unless hes as cheap as possible, even then I don't know If I would.  I see him in NE.

Agreed. I'd rather see Perriman and Moore get more reps than to bring back Boldin. I loved his play when he was a Raven, but I doubt he can take over games the way he used to. Besides, we already have a fiery veteran receiver to help out the younger WRs in SSS.

[usmccharles]

8 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

Agreed. I'd rather see Perriman and Moore get more reps than to bring back Boldin. I loved his play when he was a Raven, but I doubt he can take over games the way he used to. Besides, we already have a fiery veteran receiver to help out the younger WRs in SSS.

Yep.  Which people advocating for him kind of blow my mind.  How many people on here get in a uproar about bringing in old guys all the time.  Boldin was a beast when he was here, helped us get a ring, time to move on.  Now if SSr gets injured or something, I can definitely see it making sense.  Also, Cinci kind of makes sense for Boldin. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

I love Boldin. Love him. Was one of my favorite guys even before he became a Raven, like Steve Smith. Just always loved and admired the way he plays the game.

But, I just dont see him being a fit here. This is no knock on Boldin, but Aiken put up just as good if not better #'s than Boldin put up in any year that he was here - and that was 3+ years ago. He's now much older and slower. I also understand that the offense Boldin played in for the most part while he was here wasnt really conducive to his strengths, and Tresman's is a much more productive scheme for that type of receiver, but still.

Who would Boldin be taking snaps from? If Smith comes back even close to what he was last year hes the unquestioned leader of the group. If not, Aiken is. Perriman and Wallace are next in line as deep threats. And then the next guy you'd want to see is that speedy slot guy, so either Camp/Reynolds. At best he's the 4th or 5th guy on this roster - and bringing him in means you HAVE to cut either Camp, Reynolds, Moore, or Butler.

We already have an issue where we're going to have to cut a young player with big upside due to just not having enough spots.... and we're already in a position of keeping 1 or 2 young WRs who likely wont get many snaps, but we'll keep them bc of their potential upside. So, how does it make sense to bring in Boldin who wont get many snaps if any at all which pushes a much younger player off the roster who could be a big piece for us in the coming years where Boldin definitely wont be.

And saying things like well IF SSS and Perriman arent healthy..... well ok then, we've got until the season starts to figure that out. And even then, both will play during the 2016 season so Boldin would just be a temporary band aid at best until those guys are ready to go. And im not pushing a young, talented WR into the hands of another team for an aging band aid. Theres just no room for him. If we were in a position where we only had like 3-4 WRs worth keeping and that could contribute - ok im all for it. But we have like 8 that are worth hanging on to, and at least 5 who should produce this year which means we're already having to get rid of 1-3 guys we really like. I'm not pushing another one off for Boldin. 

[Deflated Football]

19 hours ago, OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL said:

BOLDIN is still a fa on the market?? A favorite TD target of Joe.....is it economical, and is he better than the crop you have today? Will Ozzie make the call? Does Boldin make us better?

We don't need Boldin on this team. We have a similar player in Aiken. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Jake Long is supposedly healthy now.

With Stanley starting, and my lack of faith in Hurst - id be interested in kicking the tires on him. Idk if hes going to find a place where he can compete for a starting job, so he might feel backing up an unproven rookie with an open guard spot as the next best thing.

On a cheap deal, I'd bring him in to at least give Stanley some competition and a proper back up. I dont like the idea of Stanley just knowing its his job, even though I feel like hes the type of kid that will push to be his best no matter what - competition brings the best out of people.

[DomMcRaven]

19 hours ago, Winchester said:

I agree. Do not need a Julio Jones or an green #1. Just a legit #1 that scares defenses and can win on every level.  If Chris Moore plays to his max he will make a fine #1. If Campanaro can play 16 games he will be a really good #2wr.

Steelers = AB; Bengals = Green; Browns = (well they did have Gordon); us =

 

As for Camps, I don't think many people here question his talent. It's just his health and durability that concerns the majority of us. I hope he proves me wrong, but I don't think he will (play for a full season).  . 

[usmccharles]

4 hours ago, DomMcRaven said:

Steelers = AB; Bengals = Green; Browns = (well they did have Gordon); us =

 

As for Camps, I don't think many people here question his talent. It's just his health and durability that concerns the majority of us. I hope he proves me wrong, but I don't think he will (play for a full season).  . 

Steelers/AB= 3 playoff wins since he was on the team, 2 were in his rookie year where he was a non-factor

Bengals/Green= 0 playoff wins

Browns/Gordon= um....

Ravens/1,2,3= since 08 without an "elite" guy 10 playoff wins...im ok with this. 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

14 hours ago, DomMcRaven said:

Steelers = AB; Bengals = Green; Browns = (well they did have Gordon); us =

 

As for Camps, I don't think many people here question his talent. It's just his health and durability that concerns the majority of us. I hope he proves me wrong, but I don't think he will (play for a full season).  . 

I've said this repeatedly.. You do not need a #1 WR to win a SB. You need a #1 option. In fact, I'd argue Pitta was more so a #1 option that season. During the postseason we had two, but Pitta had the best hands on the team easily. We potential have two guys who could fill that role. Maxx and Perriman(if his injury isn't too serious). If we can get that, we should be golden. Doesn't have to be a #1 WR. 

 

We're not the Bengals, who have a guy who's consistently in contention for being a top 5 WR and a guy who is second in the league to Gronk right now. But look at the Pats, they don't have a #1 WR. Edelman is a good player, but their #1 option is Gronk. 

[DomMcRaven]

14 hours ago, usmccharles said:

Steelers/AB= 3 playoff wins since he was on the team, 2 were in his rookie year where he was a non-factor

Bengals/Green= 0 playoff wins

Browns/Gordon= um....

Ravens/1,2,3= since 08 without an "elite" guy 10 playoff wins...im ok with this. 

3 hours ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

I've said this repeatedly.. You do not need a #1 WR to win a SB. You need a #1 option. In fact, I'd argue Pitta was more so a #1 option that season. During the postseason we had two, but Pitta had the best hands on the team easily. We potential have two guys who could fill that role. Maxx and Perriman(if his injury isn't too serious). If we can get that, we should be golden. Doesn't have to be a #1 WR. 

 

We're not the Bengals, who have a guy who's consistently in contention for being a top 5 WR and a guy who is second in the league to Gronk right now. But look at the Pats, they don't have a #1 WR. Edelman is a good player, but their #1 option is Gronk. 

 

I understand where both of you guys are coming from and I agree. I'm just saying it'd be a nice luxury to have..that's all.