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[rmw10]

41 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Some names to look for being cut this year before the season per BR article, heres some that stand out to me

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2638504-the-best-player-who-could-be-cut-from-every-nfl-roster-this-offseason/page/2

CB Alterraun Verner

DE Chris Clemons

WR/KR Cordarrelle Patterson

CB Marcus Cooper

WR Marqise Lee  @Winchester don't get your hopes up

ILB Akeem Dent

 

 

 

Verner is interesting depending on how much influence Leslie Frazier has on the type of defense we're running.  He's a very good fit for the traditional Frazier style defense.

Clemons is done.

I have no interest in Patterson anymore.  He's not much of a WR and there are yearly articles about his lack of work ethic.  He's a pure returner and we have Clay already if we want a guy like that.  Patterson may be more explosive but he also seems like a bit of a headache in some ways.

Cooper hasn't done really anything since his rookie year.

Lee is interesting, but do we really need more injury concerns?  I think we'd rather go with what we have.

Dent is awful in coverage.

[usmccharles]

1 minute ago, rmw10 said:

Verner is interesting depending on how much influence Leslie Frazier has on the type of defense we're running.  He's a very good fit for the traditional Frazier style defense.

Clemons is done.

I have no interest in Patterson anymore.  He's not much of a WR and there are yearly articles about his lack of work ethic.  He's a pure returner and we have Clay already if we want a guy like that.  Patterson may be more explosive but he also seems like a bit of a headache in some ways.

Cooper hasn't done really anything since his rookie year.

Lee is interesting, but do we really need more injury concerns?  I think we'd rather go with what we have.

Dent is awful in coverage.

I don't know anything about Dent, just know that's a hole.  Lee was put in the list to appease Winchester, he loves that guy for some reason and his boy Brian Quick is also on that list. 

[sflegend89]

Man we need an ILB, don't trust Orr/Brown for a second. While I think Daryl Smith's best days were behind him I'm not thrilled with our current situation there. Seems like every time we try to push questionably prepared youngsters into a veterans spot we get burned. I'm all for letting Orr/Brown compete for the spot but we really should look into acquiring another ILB, priority #1 on this entire roster right now.

[usmccharles]

1 minute ago, sflegend89 said:

Man we need an ILB, don't trust Orr/Brown for a second. While I think Daryl Smith's best days were behind him I'm not thrilled with our current situation there. Seems like every time we try to push questionably prepared youngsters into a veterans spot we get burned. I'm all for letting Orr/Brown compete for the spot but we really should look into acquiring another ILB, priority #1 on this entire roster right now.

I agree.  I also think this is one of the main reasons for the outrage from passing on Jack.  It was a hole and when healthy is great.  We need to get someone who can cover, most likely we will sign one being cut. 

[ellicottraven]

4 minutes ago, sflegend89 said:

Man we need an ILB, don't trust Orr/Brown for a second. While I think Daryl Smith's best days were behind him I'm not thrilled with our current situation there. Seems like every time we try to push questionably prepared youngsters into a veterans spot we get burned. I'm all for letting Orr/Brown compete for the spot but we really should look into acquiring another ILB, priority #1 on this entire roster right now.

Well, sooner rather than later we must hope that Brown breaks out. But, it is scary our ILB situation. I believe they'll try to use Correa as ILB but I don't know how good he is in coverage. We need to wait for the final roster cuts, before adding a coverage LB who can really help us alongside Mosley.

[jazz1988]

13 minutes ago, sflegend89 said:

Man we need an ILB, don't trust Orr/Brown for a second. While I think Daryl Smith's best days were behind him I'm not thrilled with our current situation there. Seems like every time we try to push questionably prepared youngsters into a veterans spot we get burned. I'm all for letting Orr/Brown compete for the spot but we really should look into acquiring another ILB, priority #1 on this entire roster right now.

There's really nobody else out there at the moment.The Ravens didn't even make it a priority to sign plenty of  undrafted inside linebackers either so they may just want to see what they really have in Orr,Brown,and McClellan

[usmccharles]

Im surprised to see a couple guys out there still

Brandon Boykin CB- he is still young and effective, he will get signed closer to the season, just surprised he is still there

Donte Whitner S- Surprised Cleveland cut him, he will get another shot for sure. 

Arian Foster RB- Miami makes perfect sense here since they don't have a starting RB, if he stays healthy he is one of the most productive backs in the league, but that's a big IF these days

Louis Vasquez G- I was hoping we were going to look into him with KO's departure, He is a starting G with experience and we have a hole. 

Dwight Freeney OLB- I am interested to see where he goes.  Last year it blew my mind we picked up Babin instead of Freeey, maybe he wanted too much money, im not sure.  That being said, he was very effective last year with 8 sacks in 11 games.  Pats? Cowboys?

[JoeyFlex5]

On 5/17/2016 at 9:40 AM, ellicottraven said:

Well, sooner rather than later we must hope that Brown breaks out. But, it is scary our ILB situation. I believe they'll try to use Correa as ILB but I don't know how good he is in coverage. We need to wait for the final roster cuts, before adding a coverage LB who can really help us alongside Mosley.

Correa was solid in coverage at Boise.he was flexed out at corner at times and really held his own in zone drops, he knew where to be in those situations and he clogged up throwing lanes which is all you can really ask for from a 34 ILB in coverage.

[sflegend89]

Would be very interested in adding Whitner or Thurmond. I'm just not sold on Webb at Safety, doubt we sign either though. I have a very hard time believing Whitner wouldn't be an upgrade over Webb, it's like we're trying to justify what we're paying Webb by forcing him into a starting spot. The whole Browns defense was terrible last year, I really don't hold a down year against Whitner, he was set up to fail from the beginning there. Apparently he's already in negotiations with a team per his twitter, wish we would've went after him hard to pair with Weddle, he fits the Ravens mold. 

Oh well gotta try to justify that terrible Webb contract somehow... -__-

[rmcjacket23]

On 5/4/2016 at 11:15 PM, sflegend89 said:

Yet he could still compete to be our #2 corner, what does that tell you

He wouldn't be competing for #2 corner.

[sflegend89]

1 minute ago, rmcjacket23 said:

He wouldn't be competing for #2 corner.

That was from before we signed Powers so it's not really relevant anymore. Culliver was rated as a top 15 CB in 2014 per PFF. If you're talking about talent Culliver is better than both Wright and Powers, which is why I said he could compete for CB2. His whole knock is durability, he's missed quite a bit of time in his career and of course is coming off an ACL. We made the wise choice going with Powers who is far less injury prone.

 

 

[rmcjacket23]

20 minutes ago, sflegend89 said:

That was from before we signed Powers so it's not really relevant anymore. Culliver was rated as a top 15 CB in 2014 per PFF. If you're talking about talent Culliver is better than both Wright and Powers, which is why I said he could compete for CB2. His whole knock is durability, he's missed quite a bit of time in his career and of course is coming off an ACL. We made the wise choice going with Powers who is far less injury prone.

 

 

I don't think he's a better or more consistent corner than Wright either. I think he would have been competing with Will Davis for the third outside corner spot.

But yes, with Powers signed, its not happening now.

[sflegend89]

26 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

I don't think he's a better or more consistent corner than Wright either. I think he would have been competing with Will Davis for the third outside corner spot.

But yes, with Powers signed, its not happening now.

I think it would just depend on how well he's doing coming off the ACL, definitely a guy you would want to bring in for a work out prior to signing so there's really no way for us to say since we haven't seen what kind of recovery he's made. I think if Culliver is healthy he's on par with a guy like Wright, that's a big "if" though.

Doesn't really matter now, as you said it's not happening. We went with Powers and I'm inclined to agree with that decision based on who was available.

Edited May 19, 2016 by sflegend89

[ellicottraven]

2 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Correa was solid in coverage at Boise.he was flexed out at corner at times and really held his own in zone drops, he knew where to be in those situations and he clogged up throwing lanes which is all you can really ask for from a 34 ILB in coverage.

Good to know he's solid in coverage as well. As long as he can cover the short to intermediate routes effectively by dropping back, I really see him taking over the spot vacated by Daryl Smith and he gives Pees a lot of versatility to rush the passer as well.

[jazz1988]

2 hours ago, sflegend89 said:

Would be very interested in adding Whitner or Thurmond. I'm just not sold on Webb at Safety, doubt we sign either though. I have a very hard time believing Whitner wouldn't be an upgrade over Webb, it's like we're trying to justify what we're paying Webb by forcing him into a starting spot. The whole Browns defense was terrible last year, I really don't hold a down year against Whitner, he was set up to fail from the beginning there. Apparently he's already in negotiations with a team per his twitter, wish we would've went after him hard to pair with Weddle, he fits the Ravens mold. 

Oh well gotta try to justify that terrible Webb contract somehow... -__-

Thurmond supposedly is considering retirement . Whitner is kind of like Bernard Pollard just better in coverage but  I don't think he provides the  same potential versatility to the secondry as Webb. 

I know Webb has health concerns but I think Dean Pees potentially can do more or  cause more confusion with Weddle and Webb than Weddle and Whitner.

I also don't think it's wise to bring in a  veteran safety  so soon becuase I'm sure Harbaugh and Frazier want to evaluate Elam and Brooks progress with out any distractions .

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[RavensFan34950]

Pff graded our Offseason. https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-ravens-earn-a-b-offseason-grade-with-bevy-of-draft-picks/

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

I lived in Jersey for a while, so have a group of friends that are hardcore Giants fans... And apparently there's rumors that DRC might be let go with Apple stepping into his spot. 

Now, I have nothing to substantiate this other than their word, but if that were the case Id be interested. 

CB is arguably still our weakest position from a depth perspective and he would give us an immediate upgrade. 

Especially as a camp cut? Something to keep an eye on. 

[Tru11]

DRC is still a quality CB and would certainly be an upgrade.

unless they know something they aint telling lol

[Jacquouille]

3 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

I lived in Jersey for a while, so have a group of friends that are hardcore Giants fans... And apparently there's rumors that DRC might be let go with Apple stepping into his spot. 

Now, I have nothing to substantiate this other than their word, but if that were the case Id be interested. 

CB is arguably still our weakest position from a depth perspective and he would give us an immediate upgrade. 

Especially as a camp cut? Something to keep an eye on. 

I love DRC but I don't think we could afford it, esp if we want to resign Williams and Wagner.

[Winchester]

On 5/17/2016 at 8:42 AM, usmccharles said:

I don't know anything about Dent, just know that's a hole.  Lee was put in the list to appease Winchester, he loves that guy for some reason and his boy Brian Quick is also on that list. 

I like marqise and quick. However once I got my cds in the mail and email clips of games I wanted to see, I no longer feel he is as necessary. I would like to have him competing to play for the ravens. But in my opinion this isva very underrated receiver class. Many guys play faster than their 40 in this draft. While there are not many height weight speed specimens this is a very solid WR class!!  Robinson Mitchell and Moore are as underrated as any WR in any class!! Robinson is my favorite. But dude, to appreciate how awesome Chris Moore is you have to watch games and plays where he was not the primary target. He was sent on intermediate routes as a decoy which is bizarre cuz usually a WR runs deep as a decoy. Anyways his routes are crazy sudden and crisp. The draft experts just began taking notice just b4 the draft actually of how fast fluid and crisp his routes really are!! Anytime there is no clear #1 and #2 receiver. Skilled receivers like Lee and quick are welcome to try to be the needed go to guys. However it is not necessary. I have confidence in Perriman Moore and Campanaro all being very good complete receivers. All are fast with ball skills,can make big plays as well as tough catches over the middle. I believe Aiken was playing well but he will eventually get jumped over by faster more skilled receivers. Perriman Campanaro Moore SS Max and Dixon are a very very potent and skilled group of weapons that could eventually rival any group in the league.  Not big names yet but all great players start off as obscure

[Winchester]

On 5/17/2016 at 9:36 AM, usmccharles said:

I agree.  I also think this is one of the main reasons for the outrage from passing on Jack.  It was a hole and when healthy is great.  We need to get someone who can cover, most likely we will sign one being cut. 

3down LBs are not usually cut. lol back in highschool as a freshman I said lbs cover skills are going to be as valued as a safety. My first mid late round prospect i ever  liked to be a steal was Lee Woodall and convert him to LB.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

13 hours ago, Tru11 said:

DRC is still a quality CB and would certainly be an upgrade.

unless they know something they aint telling lol

Right? With everything they did to upgrade the defense this offseason, it didn't make any sense to me that they would cut him - especially since I don't think Apple is a finished product that's ready to step into a starting spot day 1. But according to them, theres some real smoke behind this rumor.

I don't know that at this point in his career hes a guy that's going to command a huge contract, but with the way corners are getting paid he's still likely to cost a pretty penny. And that may be more than we're willing to pay. But for the right price, id love to have him. When motivated and put in the proper situations to succeed he plays at a very high level. But I do wonder why he's bounced around from team to team, rarely sticking in any one place for more than a year or two.

[OldToby]

Call me crazy, I wouldn't be surprised if our secondary has a breakout year. I think weddle is going to be a great leader and mentor. His presence should help reduce some of the communication errors and stupid mistakes that we've been seeing over the past couple years. After Reed left we have had a pretty uninspiring secondary. What a shame Hill got lazy, and got himself cut. Weddle alongside a determined Hill would be rediculous. 

[lgcs27288]

8 hours ago, OldToby said:

Call me crazy, I wouldn't be surprised if our secondary has a breakout year. I think weddle is going to be a great leader and mentor. His presence should help reduce some of the communication errors and stupid mistakes that we've been seeing over the past couple years. After Reed left we have had a pretty uninspiring secondary. What a shame Hill got lazy, and got himself cut. Weddle alongside a determined Hill would be rediculous. 

You're crazy!

[DenverRaven]

8 hours ago, OldToby said:

Call me crazy, I wouldn't be surprised if our secondary has a breakout year. I think weddle is going to be a great leader and mentor. His presence should help reduce some of the communication errors and stupid mistakes that we've been seeing over the past couple years. After Reed left we have had a pretty uninspiring secondary. What a shame Hill got lazy, and got himself cut. Weddle alongside a determined Hill would be rediculous. 

I actually think I prefer Webb back there over Hill at this point. I'll probably eat those words soon enough, but Hill seemed to be really falling off and losing playtime as the defense progressed late last year. Agreed though that Weddle should be a big help, everyone staying healthy is key too. I'm cautiously optimistic about the secondary this season, but if Wright can play where he was at the end of last year, Powers/Young/Davis or Arrington steps up, and Jimmy regains his confidence... Yeah, we're gonna be in good shape. I would love to see Jimmy really play a full season at his potential.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Ronald Leary is requesting a trade from the Cowboys per Gil Brandt and NFL.com... not happy he lost his job to Lael Collins.

I like our depth and competition, but if we cut Monroe and Stanley is our starting LT I'd probably be more comfortable with an established, experienced vet next to him at LG instead of Urschel or Jensen (even though I like both their upside).

Doubt we do anything now with all the competition, but if no one outright grabs the position I'd become interested by pre-season for sure if the price is right.

[DenverRaven]

10 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Ronald Leary is requesting a trade from the Cowboys per Gil Brandt and NFL.com... not happy he lost his job to Lael Collins.

I like our depth and competition, but if we cut Monroe and Stanley is our starting LT I'd probably be more comfortable with an established, experienced vet next to him at LG instead of Urschel or Jensen (even though I like both their upside).

Doubt we do anything now with all the competition, but if no one outright grabs the position I'd become interested by pre-season for sure if the price is right.

Do you think they'll cut Monroe? I don't, personally... But a lot of people seem to think that he's gone as soon as his injury status is cleared. Not sure how comfortable I'd be with it, but if that's the case, then yeah we should be looking at Leary.

[rmw10]

8 minutes ago, DenverRaven said:

Do you think they'll cut Monroe? I don't, personally... But a lot of people seem to think that he's gone as soon as his injury status is cleared. Not sure how comfortable I'd be with it, but if that's the case, then yeah we should be looking at Leary.

I think the bridges are burned at this point. Not sure what the hold up is. Maybe waiting on him to pass a physical. Maybe they want to see Stanley in action during minicamps. I think Monroe is gone at some point, though. Too much baggage. It's not even a money thing with him, to me at least.

[Sami84]

12 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

I think the bridges are burned at this point. Not sure what the hold up is. Maybe waiting on him to pass a physical. Maybe they want to see Stanley in action during minicamps. I think Monroe is gone at some point, though. Too much baggage. It's not even a money thing with him, to me at least.

 

 

if hes healthy and we cut him our o line is pretty average in my view.

Edited May 25, 2016 by Sami84

[Somerset Ravens]

41 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

I think the bridges are burned at this point. Not sure what the hold up is. Maybe waiting on him to pass a physical. Maybe they want to see Stanley in action during minicamps. I think Monroe is gone at some point, though. Too much baggage. It's not even a money thing with him, to me at least.

Is there any advantage to cutting him now as opposed to the end training camp ?