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[52520Andrew]

On 4/22/2016 at 11:13 AM, ludy51 said:

 

 

 

Donald last year played as well as if not better than Watt in his good seasons according to PFF

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2016/01/04/pro-aaron-donald-just-broke-j-j-watts-all-time-grade-record-and-should-be-dpoy/

[52520Andrew]

I am feeling Bosa with an outside shot of Tunsil being the guy but it depends on what teams think of Jack. If he takes a tumble, we could be right where we were a couple weeks ago choosing between Stanley, Hargreaves, Elliott, or Buckner assuming we aren't sold on Jack. Bleh

[TurkishRaven]

Is there a draft day party or something like that in Baltimore on 28th? This is my first draft in Baltimore and could not find anything online..

I know there will be one at m&t bank on 30th for 4th round picks but.. it's 4th round..

[Moderator 3]

9 minutes ago, TurkishRaven said:

Is there a draft day party or something like that in Baltimore on 28th? This is my first draft in Baltimore and could not find anything online..

I know there will be one at m&t bank on 30th for 4th round picks but.. it's 4th round..

It's on the front page of the site: http://www.baltimoreravens.com/ravenstown/flock-party.html

[TurkishRaven]

1 hour ago, Moderator 3 said:

It's on the front page of the site: http://www.baltimoreravens.com/ravenstown/flock-party.html

 

Looks like it is not on the front page of mobile version. Thanks for the link! 

[Halshayeji]

9 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

I'm thinking Hargreaves is dropping a bit... probably to back end top 10 or maybe like top 15. I think a lot of teams are viewing him as a slot corner long term, and you typically don't spend a top 10 pick on a guy like that. I think we like him, but maybe not #6 like him.

I think its between Ramsey, Tunsil and Bosa in that order. If they are all three gone, I think we trade pick (possibly targeting Hargreaves later) or potentially grab somebody like Buckner or Stanley, though I don't think we're as high on either.

I'm in the minority, but I think Jack isn't even in the equation as a top 10 pick for us.

Maybe your in the minirity but your not alone. I see Ramsey and Tunsil as must draft at 6 in that order. If both are gone, Bosa is 50/50 to me coz the bucs may desperately want to move up from 9. Jack is a great player but as Iv been saying for a while now. He wouldn't even be in the top 5 discussion if jaylon smith was healthy and Darron Lee is a very close third.

I'll go a bit bold here and say if we move back I have Bosa Floyd Buckner Jack VH3 then stanly in that order. (Not the biggest fan of taking VH3 and Stanley because there's barely any dropoff to the next best LT and CB)

pick 36 (must trade up):- CB Apple, CB Jackson III, MLB Darron Lee, LT Conklin, OLB Lawson in that order. We have to make calls to move up once three of those guys are off the board because the 5th year team option is priceless and these guys are top 15 talents that need a little seasoning.

[usmccharles]

2 hours ago, Halshayeji said:

Maybe your in the minirity but your not alone. I see Ramsey and Tunsil as must draft at 6 in that order. If both are gone, Bosa is 50/50 to me coz the bucs may desperately want to move up from 9. Jack is a great player but as Iv been saying for a while now. He wouldn't even be in the top 5 discussion if jaylon smith was healthy and Darron Lee is a very close third.

I'll go a bit bold here and say if we move back I have Bosa Floyd Buckner Jack VH3 then stanly in that order. (Not the biggest fan of taking VH3 and Stanley because there's barely any dropoff to the next best LT and CB)

pick 36 (must trade up):- CB Apple, CB Jackson III, MLB Darron Lee, LT Conklin, OLB Lawson in that order. We have to make calls to move up once three of those guys are off the board because the 5th year team option is priceless and these guys are top 15 talents that need a little seasoning.

I think Conklin goes top 20 easy.  I agree, I think we should really trade up and grab a guy we really want, assuming one is still there at the back end of the first rather than hoping he falls to us.  I think we need to be aggressive here. 

[Maryland]

13 hours ago, 757RavensFan said:

If SD doesn't take Tunsil, I'm putting my money on us taking him. 

If SD drafts Tunsil, I'm gonna say Hargreaves.  

A lot of folks dislike Hargreaves, but it seems like they are mostly judging him too harshly for playing safer in his Junior season and ignoring how awesome he was as a Sophomore. The H/W/S concerns don't really bother me that much either. In this day and age, you need quicker CBs capable of covering the Antonio Browns of the league. He would be the perfect compliment to Jimmy, who can cover the bigger WRs. Hargreaves plays with flawless technique and studies the game well (coach's son). I would have no problem picking him at 6 because he won't bust. 

As for who I think we'll actually get, I think Tunsil, Ramsey, and Jack will be off the board, giving us a pick between Bosa, Buckner, Stanley, Elliott, and VH3. I'm not buying into many of the rumors lately, so I'm sure my board here looks like it was made 2 weeks ago  I want Bosa or VH3 out of those I think will be available. I think they would take VH3 (maybe trade down and still get him), since supposedly they wanted a CB last year in Marcus Peters, and the #2 CB position is still not an area of confidence despite extending Wright. 

[Halshayeji]

59 minutes ago, Maryland said:

A lot of folks dislike Hargreaves, but it seems like they are mostly judging him too harshly for playing safer in his Junior season and ignoring how awesome he was as a Sophomore. The H/W/S concerns don't really bother me that much either. In this day and age, you need quicker CBs capable of covering the Antonio Browns of the league. He would be the perfect compliment to Jimmy, who can cover the bigger WRs. Hargreaves plays with flawless technique and studies the game well (coach's son). I would have no problem picking him at 6 because he won't bust. 

As for who I think we'll actually get, I think Tunsil, Ramsey, and Jack will be off the board, giving us a pick between Bosa, Buckner, Stanley, Elliott, and VH3. I'm not buying into many of the rumors lately, so I'm sure my board here looks like it was made 2 weeks ago  I want Bosa or VH3 out of those I think will be available. I think they would take VH3 (maybe trade down and still get him), since supposedly they wanted a CB last year in Marcus Peters, and the #2 CB position is still not an area of confidence despite extending Wright. 

I absolutely agree. Taking VH3 6th overall wouldn't be a disaster at all. I mean the guys hips are so damn fluid it's like music to a coordinators eyes. It's just that in this scenario, I'd hope we risk it and move back because someone will want to move up. Even if we miss out on VH3 the next best CBs may not be as NFL ready as him but may have greater upsides (Apple and Williams 3)

Edited April 26, 2016 by Halshayeji

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

If SD doesnt take Tunsil, thats our pick... unless Jax isnt planning on extending/resigning Joeckel. That's something I havent really heard discussed, and they are built to win with offense. I think they're a sleeper to take him, but if i were a betting man i say he falls to us and we pounce.

If SD does take Tunsil, I think we have a really good shot at Ramsey bc I think Jax loves Jack and sees him as their Bobby Wagner. And I think Dallas will go with Bosa/Elliott.

At this point I'd say our pick being Tunsil is 50%. Bosa I put at 20%, Ramsey 10%, Jack 5%, Buckner 5%, Hargreaves 5%, and Stanley 5%. Thats including any trade back scenarios within the top 10. Obviously a trade outside the 10th pick messes that up, but Tunsil is a strong leader heading into the clubhouse.

[usmccharles]

9 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

If SD doesnt take Tunsil, thats our pick... unless Jax isnt planning on extending/resigning Joeckel. That's something I havent really heard discussed, and they are built to win with offense. I think they're a sleeper to take him, but if i were a betting man i say he falls to us and we pounce.

If SD does take Tunsil, I think we have a really good shot at Ramsey bc I think Jax loves Jack and sees him as their Bobby Wagner. And I think Dallas will go with Bosa/Elliott.

At this point I'd say our pick being Tunsil is 50%. Bosa I put at 20%, Ramsey 10%, Jack 5%, Buckner 5%, Hargreaves 5%, and Stanley 5%. Thats including any trade back scenarios within the top 10. Obviously a trade outside the 10th pick messes that up, but Tunsil is a strong leader heading into the clubhouse.

Im not familiar with how good their LG/RT is, but maybe taking Tunsil for LT and moving Joekel to LG/RT would make sense if that's an improvement.  Kind of the same mindset a lot were thinking with Titans: move Lewan over to RT and draft Tunsil and you upgrade two positions with one player. 

Edited April 26, 2016 by usmccharles

[rmcjacket23]

5 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Im not familiar with how good their LG/RT is, but maybe taking Tunsil for LT and moving Joekel to LG/RT would make sense if that's an improvement.  Kind of the same mindset a lot were thinking with Titans: move Lewan over to RT and draft Tunsil and you upgrade two positions with one player. 

They did sign Kelvin Beachum this offseason, presumably to start at LT this year and to move Joeckel to the right side. Beachum's deal is only for one year though, so that may make a difference.

I don't see them taking a LT because of this, however, or at least not at pick #5. I would be stunned if they took anything but a defensive player.

[usmccharles]

13 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

They did sign Kelvin Beachum this offseason, presumably to start at LT this year and to move Joeckel to the right side. Beachum's deal is only for one year though, so that may make a difference.

I don't see them taking a LT because of this, however, or at least not at pick #5. I would be stunned if they took anything but a defensive player.

I agree that they go defense, was just throwing that option out because I haven't seen it mentioned...but I also didn't know their roster situations.  Thanks.

[rmcjacket23]

17 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

I agree that they go defense, was just throwing that option out because I haven't seen it mentioned...but I also didn't know their roster situations.  Thanks.

If they hadn't signed Beachum, I think they'd certainly go tackle. I don't think they trust Joeckel as the future LT.

Could turn them off from drafting one too, since they've spent very high draft picks on Monroe and Joeckel in the last like 10 years, and neither has panned out at LT for them.

Edited April 26, 2016 by rmcjacket23

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

1 hour ago, usmccharles said:

Im not familiar with how good their LG/RT is, but maybe taking Tunsil for LT and moving Joekel to LG/RT would make sense if that's an improvement.  Kind of the same mindset a lot were thinking with Titans: move Lewan over to RT and draft Tunsil and you upgrade two positions with one player. 

Well, they have Joeckel and signed Beachum... so I imagine they were thinking about having both compete at LT and best man wins, other slides to RT.

But, if you're not planning on offering Joeckel the 5th year option then theres a decent chance you lose him on the open market, so it might be a good time to bring in the future of the position, who is an upgrade, and insurance in case Beachum isnt fully recovered. And then next year you just keep the best 2 of the 3 to play your tackle positions and roll from there.

Their future is Bortles, the Wr's and the RB's. Picking the player that most improves those 3 areas might just be the best pick. But I do agree, going D is the obvious choice.... but i wouldnt bet my soul on it.

Edited April 26, 2016 by BOLDnPurPnBlacK

[Number23]

A.J. Hawk's available now, could be solid depth for us after losing Smith. Probably cheap, too.

Edited April 26, 2016 by Number23

[rmcjacket23]

2 minutes ago, Number23 said:

A.J. Hawk's available now, could be solid depth for us after losing Smith. Probably cheap, too.

Not a very good player anymore. 

[Number23]

5 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Not a very good player anymore. 

I think I'd just like him more than Arthur Brown at this point.

[rmcjacket23]

ESPN's Jamison Hensley reports the Ravens are "focused on Ohio State's Joey Bosa and other pass-rushers" at No. 6 overall.

Per Hensley, Clemson's Shaq Lawson and Georgia's Leonard Floyd are other options. The Ravens' pass rush has gotten long in the tooth, and Bosa is arguably the draft's top edge threat. He would be making the transition from 4-3 end to 3-4 linebacker in the Ravens' scheme. GM Ozzie Newsome rarely drafts in the top 20, but has generally hit home runs when he does.

Related: Ravens

 

Source: ESPN.com

Apr 26 - 1:36 PM

[Maryland]

If Jags drafted Tunsil while Joeckel is on the roster, it would be deja vu to 2013 when they drafted Joeckel when Monroe was on the roster lol.

 

28 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

ESPN's Jamison Hensley reports the Ravens are "focused on Ohio State's Joey Bosa and other pass-rushers" at No. 6 overall.

Per Hensley, Clemson's Shaq Lawson and Georgia's Leonard Floyd are other options. The Ravens' pass rush has gotten long in the tooth, and Bosa is arguably the draft's top edge threat. He would be making the transition from 4-3 end to 3-4 linebacker in the Ravens' scheme. GM Ozzie Newsome rarely drafts in the top 20, but has generally hit home runs when he does.

Related: Ravens

 

Source: ESPN.com

Apr 26 - 1:36 PM

Maybe I'm wrong on this, but it seems like Hensley usually gets fed the smoke this time of the year. Am I wrong on this?

[rmcjacket23]

Just now, Maryland said:

If Jags drafted Tunsil while Joeckel is on the roster, it would be deja vu to 2013 when they drafted Joeckel when Monroe was on the roster lol.

 

Maybe I'm wrong on this, but it seems like Hensley usually gets fed the smoke this time of the year. Am I wrong on this?

Quite possibly. But does make plenty of sense.

[BmoreBird22]

7 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Quite possibly. But does make plenty of sense.

I think Bosa is the clear option if Tunsil and Ramsey, two players I would argue are better and offer more upside, are gone.

[Cville-Raven]

14 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I think Bosa is the clear option if Tunsil and Ramsey, two players I would argue are better and offer more upside, are gone.

This is how I see it.

[757RavensFan]

3 hours ago, Number23 said:

A.J. Hawk's available now, could be solid depth for us after losing Smith. Probably cheap, too.

Considering, they still have $16M in cap space, I'm surprised they let him go since his cap hit is only $1.4M. 

[52520Andrew]

4 hours ago, Maryland said:

If Jags drafted Tunsil while Joeckel is on the roster, it would be deja vu to 2013 when they drafted Joeckel when Monroe was on the roster lol.

 

Maybe I'm wrong on this, but it seems like Hensley usually gets fed the smoke this time of the year. Am I wrong on this?

He did get the CJ Mosley pick right in 2014, don't know who he had us taking last year

[harfordravenfan]

32 minutes ago, 52520Andrew said:

He did get the CJ Mosley pick right in 2014, don't know who he had us taking last year

That's pretty good cause I didn't see the Mosley pick coming at all

[BmoreBird22]

2 hours ago, harfordravenfan said:

That's pretty good cause I didn't see the Mosley pick coming at all

I knew he was going to be the pick after Martin came off the board.

[757RavensFan]

Much respect to Noah Spence for owning his past mistake and trying to prove to the league that he's committed to staying clean. 

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/04/27/noah-spence-sent-drug-test-results-to-all-32-teams/

[redrum52]

All this base 4-3 talk scares me fellas.  I think we might be going...  Bosa...  ughh...

[redrum52]

4 hours ago, 757RavensFan said:

Much respect to Noah Spence for owning his past mistake and trying to prove to the league that he's committed to staying clean. 

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/04/27/noah-spence-sent-drug-test-results-to-all-32-teams/

I have a feeling we trade down