Ideal situation for the Ravens

[Wacko4Zacko]

To be honest I PERSONALLY perfectly believe that an ideal situation would be if Colts fire Pagano and Lions fire Caldwell. We bring Pagano back as our DC and Caldwell back as our OC Again this is just my personal opinion.

[Daft Classic]

I would absolutely love Pagano coming back. Him over Pees every day of the week. No debate

 

However, I wanna stay away from Caldwell. Everywhere he goes seems to fall apart dating back to the Colts, Ravens offense, and the Lions. Plus, even if we've already played under him, no point in bringing in ANOTHER offense to learn. Trestman won't be going anywhere, and we can actually spend the offseason building into his system. We spent the year in a strange hybrid of his and Kubiak's that just couldn't get going. The more we move to a Trestman offense, the more comfortable he gets with the play calls. 

[Cville-Raven]

I would take Trestman over Caldwell every day of the week.

[Tru11]

caldwell is not an true OC.

 

if he comes back i prefer him to be the QB coach and nothing else.

[Wildabeast88]

Pagano yes Caldwell no thanks as long as Trestman doesn't forget to run the ball I will take him

[JoeyFlex5]

caldwell is a qb coach and nothing more. he was an absolute disaster here besides 5 out of 6 games being the NYG week 16 and the 4 playoff games, everything else was atrocious. he just doesnt have that playcalling gene it seems, the man knows his way into a qb's head though.

[rmcjacket23]

What is there to like about Caldwell as a playcaller?

[GrimCoconut]

I wouldn't want Caldwell back except as a QB coach. I didn't like him as a coordinator.

[The Raven]

Pagano coming back is fantasy. I really don't think he'll be back. 

 

Caldwell will never be back as OC or QB coach. Trestman has done great, and he already has his guy Marty Morninwheg (sp?) at QB coach. Caldwell was a pretty bad coordinator, and with him it's the same deal as Pees. Nobody really liked him.

Edited January 2, 2016 by The Raven

[GrimCoconut]

Pagano coming back is fantasy. I really don't think he'll be back.

Caldwell will never be back as OC or QB coach. Trestman has done great, and he already has his guy Marty Morninwheg (sp?) at QB coach. Caldwell was a pretty bad coordinator, and with him it's the same deal as Pees. Nobody really liked him.

Why don't you think he'll be back?

[gtalk12]

I think Trestman did well Chicago, I don't see why we shouldn't let him impliment his offense this offseason

[The Raven]

Why don't you think he'll be back?

 

Have you ever seen a DC get hired as a HC on another team, get fired, and then go back to the original team as DC? I can't say I've ever seen that happen. Not only would he have to be interested, but we'd have to move on from Pees. We'd also have to decide how many of his position coaches he can bring with him, etc... It's a wet dream conjured up by bitter Pees haters and hopeless romantics. Too many variables if you ask me.

[DenverRaven]

Let's give Trestman his fair shake at a healthy offense. I wasn't a fan of his hire, but I'm pretty excited to see how well he performs with a healthy Perriman/Flacco/SSS and 2-3 solid RBs.

[GrimCoconut]

Have you ever seen a DC get hired as a HC on another team, get fired, and then go back to the original team as DC? I can't say I've ever seen that happen. Not only would he have to be interested, but we'd have to move on from Pees. We'd also have to decide how many of his position coaches he can bring with him, etc... It's a wet dream conjured up by bitter Pees haters and hopeless romantics. Too many variables if you ask me.

I can't think of a DC atm but McDaniels was the OC for the Patriots, hired as HC of the Broncos, who fired him only to have him return back to the Patriots. Edited January 2, 2016 by GrimCoconut

[The Raven]

I can't think of a DC atm but McDaniels was the OC for the Patriots, hired as HC of the Broncos, who fired him only to have him return back to the Patriots.

 

That's a fair point. Remember though that when the Patriots brought him back, they had just lost Bill O'Brien. There was an actual opening for the position. I just think it's a rare scenario. 

[GrimCoconut]

That's a fair point. Remember though that when the Patriots brought him back, they had just lost Bill O'Brien. There was an actual opening for the position. I just think it's a rare scenario.

Yeah, it's certainly rare. I agree there. I wouldn't rule it out but I'm not expecting him back. More or less hoping he returns. I do think Pees' contract is up after this season ends but I'm really not sure to be honest. If it is be may not even return.

It's certainly a fluid situation.

[usmccharles]

Yup let's fire our OC after his first year with enough injuries to make another starting lineup, meanwhile still had us around top ten at the beginning of the year. Good plan...

Edited January 2, 2016 by usmccharles

[ludy51]

Yup let's fire our OC after his first year with enough injuries to make another starting lineup, meanwhile still had us around top ten at the beginning of the year. Good plan...

Not like we've been wanting stability at the position for years or anything right?

[Deflated Football]

The amount of disrespect that Trestman gets around here is unreal. He's done a fantastic job with what he's had to work with.

[rmcjacket23]

The amount of disrespect that Trestman gets around here is unreal. He's done a fantastic job with what he's had to work with.

He's Juan Castillo 2.0 on these boards. I always take fan assessments of coaching with a huge grain of salt.

[January J]

The amount of disrespect that Trestman gets around here is unreal. He's done a fantastic job with what he's had to work with.

  

He's Juan Castillo 2.0 on these boards. I always take fan assessments of coaching with a huge grain of salt.

people just want somebody they can assign blame to and point fingers at. If they actually took the time to look at the statistics and to consider the circumstances they would actually realize he's done quite well. I bet you that a few days ago almost nobody on these boards could have told you that we have the number 1 pass defense since week 7- too busy bashing pees to even see it.

[redrum52]

Have you ever seen a DC get hired as a HC on another team, get fired, and then go back to the original team as DC? I can't say I've ever seen that happen. Not only would he have to be interested, but we'd have to move on from Pees. We'd also have to decide how many of his position coaches he can bring with him, etc... It's a wet dream conjured up by bitter Pees haters and hopeless romantics. Too many variables if you ask me.

I was thinking this too. The only OC turned HC, turned OC again, that I remember, is McDaniels in NE. Besides that, doesn't happen real often.

[Willbacker]

Have you ever seen a DC get hired as a HC on another team, get fired, and then go back to the original team as DC? I can't say I've ever seen that happen. Not only would he have to be interested, but we'd have to move on from Pees. We'd also have to decide how many of his position coaches he can bring with him, etc... It's a wet dream conjured up by bitter Pees haters and hopeless romantics. Too many variables if you ask me.

Spagnola

[The Raven]

Spagnola

 

Would ya look at that. Didn't realize that. Maybe we get Pagano back. I personally doubt it, still, because of all the variables, but it'd be nice.

[balfan23]

Have you ever seen a DC get hired as a HC on another team, get fired, and then go back to the original team as DC? I can't say I've ever seen that happen. Not only would he have to be interested, but we'd have to move on from Pees. We'd also have to decide how many of his position coaches he can bring with him, etc... It's a wet dream conjured up by bitter Pees haters and hopeless romantics. Too many variables if you ask me.

There are indeed a number of variables, as I see it:

 

1) Will Pagano get another offer as an HC?

2) If not, will he hold out for the future possibility of landing an HC job or will he possibly retire?

3) If not, are the Ravens interested in keeping Pees on as the DC? 

4) If not, would Pagano prefer to go to a different team than the Ravens?

5) If not, would he be the Ravens top choice to take the job? 

 

That is a long list of variables. Still, I think there is a chance and it doesn't really matter whether the exact same scenario took place before. I don't think he'll get an offer this year as an HC and if the Ravens do wish to move away from Pees, I think Pagano will be a strong candidate, because I don't feel that the two sides parted with any animosity. 

 

To me, the biggest hurdles to this coming to pass are #2 and #3. I think it is really possible that Pagano could walk away from the game. When you've beaten an illness like cancer, life tends to narrow its focus in terms of what you're willing to spend your years doing. I also am not convinced that the Ravens will part ways with Pees at the end of the season. The team is slow to move on coaching staff changes - as we saw with Cam. 

 

It is going to garner a good bit of buzz the moment the season ends and the announcement is official that Indy has let Pagano go. It will be interesting to see what direction we take to start addressing next year's team. 

[bMore Heathen]

Would ya look at that. Didn't realize that. Maybe we get Pagano back. I personally doubt it, still, because of all the variables, but it'd be nice.

Lebeau did it as well.

But I agree with you 100%, Pagano isn't coming back. Ed Reed was the main reason he came here in the first place. Similar to the Suggs and Monachino situation. It's possible he developed a relationship with Harbs, but I seriously doubt he comes back. He will get HC offers if he wants them.

[usmccharles]

Not like we've been wanting stability at the position for years or anything right?

yea.. Who wants the same coach every year... Not us

[PurpleCity5]

I was just thinking about this right now and firmly believe that the best case scenario for us is to hit on our early draft picks and get production from them. I look at our past five drafts and while we have hit on picks, we have surely whiffed on plenty as well. I look at our 2013 draft and even though our late picks have done well, our first two picks have not done much. I look at our 2015 draft and while it looks promising, we have not gotten much out of our early picks(Perriman and Williams) and while you can attribute it to outside factors, Perriman's injury and Williams being a TE, that doesn't change we didn't get a lot from them. Our 2014 draft was truly sick, outside of that, I can't say we hit homeruns. 

 

I'd also point out that in our past 7 drafts, we have only drafted one pro bowler, and I honestly don't think about the fact that some of our guys have been underrated(Webb, K.O, Jimmy, Wagner), when you have only drafted one player who has made the prob bowl in the past 7 seasons, then I think it speaks volumes to some of the troubles that we have had in the draft room.

[rayven98]

Have you ever seen a DC get hired as a HC on another team, get fired, and then go back to the original team as DC? I can't say I've ever seen that happen. Not only would he have to be interested, but we'd have to move on from Pees. We'd also have to decide how many of his position coaches he can bring with him, etc... It's a wet dream conjured up by bitter Pees haters and hopeless romantics. Too many variables if you ask me.

Steve Spaugnolo says howdy

[rayven98]

Ever since the super bowl run drafting has been an issue.  Its hard to say that ozzie has lost his touch a bit I believe.  Either that or our scouting dept isn't what it used to be.  It's just hard to see a lot of these other teams get production out of their late round picks and ours never contribute at all.  Even lately our higher round picks aren't what they are supposed to be.  Jury is still out on perriman and I believe that Williams will be solid in a few years.  Davis was underwhelming (we need to stop drafting players with catchphrases #trenchwork #eatgreedy.)  Hopefully with a top 10 pick this year ozzie can get back to picking some studs.