New years day mock

[January J]

Will do a more thorough mock later- just our picks for now.

Round 1 choice A: Ramsey - a lot of ppl have soured on him lately- but his fiesty demeanor and versatility will make him a raven. With us probably ending up around 8, he will fall right into our lap and it will almost be a no brainer.

Round 1 choice B: (tradeback) Emmanuel Ogbah

Round 2 choice A: Yannick Ngakoue- home grown and fierce - also fits the bill of a raven.

Round 2 choice B: Mackenzie Alexander - possibly the most underrated corner in the draft with an incredibly high ceiling.

Round 3: Sterling Sheppard- can work in or out of the slot - will pair extremely well with Perriman, sss, and Aiken. His father was also a sooner.. and we all know ozzie likes them guys that have football in their bloodline.

Round 4: Joe Dahl - underrated tackle that will come in and keep Eugene on his toes.

Round 5: Cyrus Jones- Alabama kid that will be our ace in the hole on kick returns and will be good depth.

Round 6: Kevin Hogan- not sure about this one- normally i think we'd be fine going into the season with 2 qbs- but with our recent string of bad luck we decide to play it safe and start Developing our backup for the future. Plus he's pretty good value after falling to the 6th.

Round 7: Center?

Edited January 2, 2016 by January J

[Deflated Football]

I really like these choices. What if we took Ramsey in the first and Yannick was gone before our second round pick and Alexander was there? Imagine having them both.

[BmoreBird22]

I really like these choices. What if we took Ramsey in the first and Yannick was gone before our second round pick and Alexander was there? Imagine having them both.

That's about the opposite of what I'd see happening

[52liveforever]

I really think this is the best mock I've seen yet.

[JoeyFlex5]

i dont know how much of a no brainer ramsey is... i really do not like him at all, he plays so wildly undisciplined i just cant envision him working out on a harbaugh coached team. i think he is going to fail MISERABLY unless his team puts him in a specific position to do just about the only thing hes good at, and thats disrupt things close to the line of scrimmage. 

 

and alexander wont be there in the 2nd, bank on that, he'll be either the 2nd or 3rd cb off the board, if he tests well enough at the combine he very well could be the top cb

[PurpleCity5]

i dont know how much of a no brainer ramsey is... i really do not like him at all, he plays so wildly undisciplined i just cant envision him working out on a harbaugh coached team. i think he is going to fail MISERABLY unless his team puts him in a specific position to do just about the only thing hes good at, and thats disrupt things close to the line of scrimmage. 

 

and alexander wont be there in the 2nd, bank on that, he'll be either the 2nd or 3rd cb off the board, if he tests well enough at the combine he very well could be the top cb

I think Ramsey is a guy with a huge ceiling personally. He's a bit of a boom-or-bust so I can't say for sure if he's a no-brainier. With that said I wouldn't be disappointed if we selected him. I think he would thrive as a SS out the gates, but would probably play CB in the NFL. I don't know how good he will be as a FS since he played on the LOS so much as a safety. He has the measurable's you dream of in an NFL CB, I love the way he just rips through blocks at times, we could use that honestly. I don't know where he would fit and which position he will play, that's my biggest problem with him honestly. 

[52liveforever]

i dont know how much of a no brainer ramsey is... i really do not like him at all, he plays so wildly undisciplined i just cant envision him working out on a harbaugh coached team. i think he is going to fail MISERABLY unless his team puts him in a specific position to do just about the only thing hes good at, and thats disrupt things close to the line of scrimmage.

and alexander wont be there in the 2nd, bank on that, he'll be either the 2nd or 3rd cb off the board, if he tests well enough at the combine he very well could be the top cb

I agree, but the only caveat is some of the best safeties to have played the game could be considered undisciplined.Most recently Reed and Troy. Edited January 2, 2016 by 52liveforever

[zuilyas]

I don't know if Alexander will be there in the 2nd

[JoeyFlex5]

I agree, but the only caveat is some of the best safeties to have played the game could be considered undisciplined.Most recently Reed and Troy.

reed wasn't undisciplined, he was a risk taker because he put in the work In The film room that allowed him to read the minds of the offense, would you bank on Ramsey being as brilliant as ed reed was?

[nishadrahman13]

reed wasn't undisciplined, he was a risk taker because he put in the work In The film room that allowed him to read the minds of the offense, would you bank on Ramsey being as brilliant as ed reed was?

Unfair comparison. Time will tell if his risks pay off, but it's impossible to know right know. Ed Reed wasn't Ed Reed right out of college.

[ravensnation5220]

i dont know how much of a no brainer ramsey is... i really do not like him at all, he plays so wildly undisciplined i just cant envision him working out on a harbaugh coached team. i think he is going to fail MISERABLY unless his team puts him in a specific position to do just about the only thing hes good at, and thats disrupt things close to the line of scrimmage.

and alexander wont be there in the 2nd, bank on that, he'll be either the 2nd or 3rd cb off the board, if he tests well enough at the combine he very well could be the top cb

his combine is going to really impress i believe the kid can fly. He probably ends up being a top 15 even maybe top 10 pick

[52liveforever]

reed wasn't undisciplined, he was a risk taker because he put in the work In The film room that allowed him to read the minds of the offense, would you bank on Ramsey being as brilliant as ed reed was?

No I would not bank on that which is why I agree, but You can't say Reed wasn't undisciplined. Your assessment of him reading minds of the offense is only valid when what he did worked. Fact is he gambled(which isn't disciplined) and sometimes it worked and him being the playmaker he was made it work big. I believe Reed was one of the greatest safeties that ever played because of those gambles, but he gave up a lot of big plays making some of those gambles.

So while I wouldn't bank on him being an Ed Reed. I wouldn't have banked on Ed Reed being an Ed Reed so I can gladly opt out on being a GM when it comes to scouting Ramsey because in my mind it's a home run or an absolute miss

[JoeyFlex5]

No I would not bank on that which is why I agree, but You can't say Reed wasn't undisciplined. Your assessment of him reading minds of the offense is only valid when what he did worked. Fact is he gambled(which isn't disciplined) and sometimes it worked and him being the playmaker he was made it work big. I believe Reed was one of the greatest safeties that ever played because of those gambles, but he gave up a lot of big plays making some of those gambles.

So while I wouldn't bank on him being an Ed Reed. I wouldn't have banked on Ed Reed being an Ed Reed so I can gladly opt out on being a GM when it comes to scouting Ramsey because in my mind it's a home run or an absolute miss

ed very rarely.and I mean VERY rarely, failed on his gambles in coverage up until his body began to fail him and he no longer had the range to make it to the ball on time. Yeah he wasn't playing like the greatest ballhawk of all time as a rookie but he was an evil genius out there and it's because his field iq was unreal, I see solid instincts in Ramsey as a tackler, but I don't imagine he is that brainy on the field to be able to get away with the way he plays at the next level, I think the growing pains could be ugly and he may never develop into more than a downhill safety, and he will be good at that, but i just think we have enough guys like that and I want someone that can be a true coverage guy, not another hybrid

[52liveforever]

ed very rarely.and I mean VERY rarely, failed on his gambles in coverage up until his body began to fail him and he no longer had the range to make it to the ball on time. Yeah he wasn't playing like the greatest ballhawk of all time as a rookie but he was an evil genius out there and it's because his field iq was unreal, I see solid instincts in Ramsey as a tackler, but I don't imagine he is that brainy on the field to be able to get away with the way he plays at the next level, I think the growing pains could be ugly and he may never develop into more than a downhill safety, and he will be good at that, but i just think we have enough guys like that and I want someone that can be a true coverage guy, not another hybrid

I'm not arguing any of what you're saying I hope you know. I completely agree. I'm just pointing out the one caveat of the potential Ramsey has. My doubts which are clearly similar to yours are why I'm glad I don't have to make the decision of picking or not picking him. If we pick him he could turn out to be a bust. If we don't he could be the next best safety to hit the league. I see a potential of both of those in him, but the former makes me scared to draft him.

[JoeyFlex5]

I'm not arguing any of what you're saying I hope you know. I completely agree. I'm just pointing out the one caveat of the potential Ramsey has. My doubts which are clearly similar to yours are why I'm glad I don't have to make the decision of picking or not picking him. If we pick him he could turn out to be a bust. If we don't he could be the next best safety to hit the league. I see a potential of both of those in him, but the former makes me scared to draft him.

yeah man I wasnt really trying to argue just giving my point of view lol. I just think he is too risky to use this rare high pick on. We used a 26th on a risk last year, we risked one on Elam, so far weve been bit on risks, I'm thinking it's time we go a safer route

[sflegend89]

I think you're on the right track with the information we have now. Just could never get into mocks this early though, have to at least wait for the combine to get a clearer picture. Every year the mocks from this time end up looking silly closer to the draft. Not because the people making them aren't knowledgeable but because the information available always changes so drastically that they are kind of pointless to do this early.

 

With that said I still enjoy reading your guys' mocks, it starts interesting discussions about different prospects if nothing else.

[52liveforever]

yeah man I wasnt really trying to argue just giving my point of view lol. I just think he is too risky to use this rare high pick on. We used a 26th on a risk last year, we risked one on Elam, so far weve been bit on risks, I'm thinking it's time we go a safer route

Ditto. I'm looking for a sure thing.

[January J]

i dont know how much of a no brainer ramsey is... i really do not like him at all, he plays so wildly undisciplined i just cant envision him working out on a harbaugh coached team. i think he is going to fail MISERABLY unless his team puts him in a specific position to do just about the only thing hes good at, and thats disrupt things close to the line of scrimmage.

and alexander wont be there in the 2nd, bank on that, he'll be either the 2nd or 3rd cb off the board, if he tests well enough at the combine he very well could be the top cb

yeah that would be wishful thinking..if he started to fall we would likely have to use our second and trade back into the first. I probably shouls have stated that. Edited January 2, 2016 by January J

[January J]

My alternate scenario would be to trade back in the first...take Leonard Floyd who would add some speed to our defense that we are desperately lacking. Grab Boyd with our original second and maybe a guy like Myles Jack or Eli Apple with the extra. Take bell or Thompson in the third , Dahl in the 4th, Cyrus Jones in the fifth, Hogan and then take a center in the 7th. I'm so on the fence about us drafting a qb- I mean I really don't see it being necessary and we could probably make better use of the pick but it's one of those things that may pay off in the long run if we have a few injuries at the position. But then again you can always find a veteran backup at the position pretty much at any time in the year..so I don't know. What do y'all think? I mean I'm perfectly comfortable going into next season with just Joe and mallet but if mallet ends up playing himself back into a starting job somewhere else, it would have been nice to have already started grooming Joes backup for the future.

Edited January 2, 2016 by January J

[GrimCoconut]

It's great to see other people giving attention to Dahl. Not sure why he's gone under the radar. That guy is good.

[GrimCoconut]

My alternate scenario would be to trade back in the first...take Leonard Floyd who would add some speed to our defense that we are desperately lacking. Grab Boyd with our original second and maybe a guy like Myles Jack or Eli Apple with the extra. Take bell or Thompson in the third , Dahl in the 4th, Cyrus Jones in the fifth, Hogan and then take a center in the 7th. I'm so on the fence about us drafting a qb- I mean I really don't see it being necessary and we could probably make better use of the pick but it's one of those things that may pay off in the long run if we have a few injuries at the position. But then again you can always find a veteran backup at the position pretty much at any time in the year..so I don't know. What do y'all think? I mean I'm perfectly comfortable going into next season with just Joe and mallet but if mallet ends up playing himself back into a starting job somewhere else, it would have been nice to have already started grooming Joes backup for the future.

I think Eli Apple could be our first pick. That guy is really good. I'm sure he'll more attention the closer we get to the draft. Then again I think very highly of him. He's tied and may have passed Hargreaves as my top CB after how he (Hargreaves) played yesterday.

I really like Cyrus Jones. I can't believe I forgot him in my own mock. He's an ideal fit. I think he'll go in the fourth, probably to us. I definitely see Ozzie double dipping at CB.

As for back-up, I like Hogan but I like Jake Rudock from Michigan better. Not sure where he falls on draft day but he's got potential.

[January J]

It's great to see other people giving attention to Dahl. Not sure why he's gone under the radar. That guy is good.

yeah I actually just noticed that one of your last mocks was very similar to this one. Great minds & all that.

[hn68wb4]

Personally I don't like either of the first rounders. Ramsey will probably be gone but even if he isn't I don't think he is anywhere near as versatile as some make him out to be, for us he'd be a safety through and through and I haven't gotten the hype around him yet. I really don't like Ogbah as a prospect, I caution about falling too in love with his numbers and just watch his tape, as a pass rusher he doesn't bring a lot to the table to get by tackles, especially NFL caliber tackles. Last night he got manhandled by Tunsil whenever he lined up opposite him, news flash: it won't get easier at the next level. Ogbah is way more limited as a rusher than people make him out to be because he has the sack numbers.

Edited January 2, 2016 by hn68wb4

[Mt. Crushmore]

It's great to see other people giving attention to Dahl. Not sure why he's gone under the radar. That guy is good.

 

PFF loves him

[GrimCoconut]

PFF loves him

That sucks. It may mean he rises up the Draft board.

[Mt. Crushmore]

That sucks. It may mean he rises up the Draft board.

 

He was honorable mention for their All-American team and was consistently on their weekly dream team roster.

[GrimCoconut]

He was honorable mention for their All-American team and was consistently on their weekly dream team roster.

Yeah. I know NFL teams actually look at their stuff. I hope he doesn't become some sudden riser. I hoped we'd get him as a steal lol.

[polynesian15]

So what is our best bet for a ballhawking centerfielder? Ignorant as I am I was of the impression that Ramsey was a FS.

Elam, Hill and Lewis are not suited back there, maybe Brooks or Webb?
What are the chances of Webb Making that shift?

[GrimCoconut]

So what is our best bet for a ballhawking centerfielder? Ignorant as I am I was of the impression that Ramsey was a FS.

Elam, Hill and Lewis are not suited back there, maybe Brooks or Webb?

What are the chances of Webb Making that shift?

I still think Ramsey can function at a high level as a center field FS due to exceptional closing speed and athleticism. He's also fired up and plays with intensity I love. My issue with him is his hands, tackling, and attitude. It's something you bite the bullet with and I don't think the Ravens would avoid him due to his attitude. I think we want that. He plays like an enforcing SS but does have the speed and athleticism to play free and deep. He just doesn't come away with all the balls you hope he will when he gets his hands on the ball. I think that's an FSU problem because Brooks didn't come away with many balls, either.

I think he can function like a beast in Seattle. That's an ideal place for him.

[RavensFanMania]

So what is our best bet for a ballhawking centerfielder? Ignorant as I am I was of the impression that Ramsey was a FS.

Elam, Hill and Lewis are not suited back there, maybe Brooks or Webb?

What are the chances of Webb Making that shift?

Ramsey would be great in a hybrid role, somewhat similar to how the Cardinals use Tyrann Matthieu.