[News] Late For Work 1/1: Ravens Resolution For 2016: Hit Home Run In Round 1

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Hold Green under 100? Colts plan to fire Pagano. Koch buys Apple watches. Williams’ question for Snoop.

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[stixfix69]

Getting Pags back would be like a high round pick.....

[harfordravenfan]

Getting Pags back would be like a high round pick.....

 

Can't lie... that would be amazing

[RavenManiac#7]

A home run in the first round would be absolutely awesome. You know, as enjoyable as it was to beat our arch rivals, the hated Sqealers, and sweep them at that, saying goodbye to the 3rd pick in the draft hurt nonetheless. The 3rd pick! Just how awesome would that have been? Like I said, I loved sweeping them, but it came at a very steep price. It's Very interesting, at least to me, just what pick we do finally wind up with and how the draft goes, because it'll be a little bit of fun to kind of see how things might have gone had we drafted that soon. Nevertheless, Ozzie should have access to a difference maker I would assume. I think this off-season is going to be more interesting than most. Lots and lots of decisions to be made. Really sorry that Pags said he was done if he loses his HC job in Indy. I would have absolutely Loved to see him come back as our DC.

[bmoraven]

Chuck Strong! Get him back here

[Bandit666]

I thought Ozzie and the Raven's plan is to hit a homerun on every first round pick? One in 7 years, someone is not doing a good job in the scouting dept. The Ravens need to hit a homerun on EVERY pick this year. They need at least 2 pro bowlers in this year's draft and 4 starters who can dominate to compete. I would love to see Pagano come back. Pees sucks.

[law215]

For fans clamoring for Pagano to return keep in mind he had a ball hawk in Ed Reed, a intimidating hit man in Pollard, and while not great Foxworth and C. Williams are better CBs than what the Ravens have now. Colts defense looks terrible. I like Pags and his attacking style, but the bottom line is the Ravens don't have the safeties and CB to be aggressive. Pags would need time to build that.

[JamesA119]

It's just undeniable that we have lost our identity under Dean Peas. We are no longer the smothering, hard hitting, intimidating Ravens defense. I don't think ifs because of personnel but rather scheme and philosophy. The front office has brought in several players to help improve the secondary in the last 2 - 3 yrs, but they all end up playing worse for us than they did for their previous team, and then again better for another team when they leave us. It's hard to say that Dean Pees is not responsible.

[JamesA119]

"For fans clamoring for Pagano to return keep in mind he had a ball hawk in Ed Reed, a intimidating hit man in Pollard, and while not great Foxworth and C. Williams are better CBs than what the Ravens have now. Colts defense looks terrible. I like Pags and his attacking style, but the bottom line is the Ravens don't have the safeties and CB to be aggressive. Pags would need time to build that."

I guess we would never know this. However I think that if Reed played under Pees he wouldn't have been the Reed that we know today. Just about every player in the secondary looks bad under Pees - in my opinion.

[Militant X 1]

After tasting being a Head Coach, I wonder if Pagano would even want to come back to Baltimore to be our DC?

[Tru11]

"For fans clamoring for Pagano to return keep in mind he had a ball hawk in Ed Reed, a intimidating hit man in Pollard, and while not great Foxworth and C. Williams are better CBs than what the Ravens have now. Colts defense looks terrible. I like Pags and his attacking style, but the bottom line is the Ravens don't have the safeties and CB to be aggressive. Pags would need time to build that."

I guess we would never know this. However I think that if Reed played under Pees he wouldn't have been the Reed that we know today. Just about every player in the secondary looks bad under Pees - in my opinion.

 

reed had more picks , tackles and fumbles recovered under pees then he had under pagano at age 34.

he also had more passes defended and even scored a TD under pees.

 

seriously you can just look this up before making assumptions.....

[purpledown]

the pick this year has to start from day one or it will be a wasted pick. One draft has the Ravens picking Ezekiel Eliot from Ohio State, a running back. I hope this doesnt happen. They are deep at RB.

[stixfix69]

If we go RB we have to consider Henry, but a lot will depend on who we lose in FA, and who we get....JMO....

[JamesA119]

"

"For fans clamoring for Pagano to return keep in mind he had a ball hawk in Ed Reed, a intimidating hit man in Pollard, and while not great Foxworth and C. Williams are better CBs than what the Ravens have now. Colts defense looks terrible. I like Pags and his attacking style, but the bottom line is the Ravens don't have the safeties and CB to be aggressive. Pags would need time to build that."

I guess we would never know this. However I think that if Reed played under Pees he wouldn't have been the Reed that we know today. Just about every player in the secondary looks bad under Pees - in my opinion.

reed had more picks , tackles and fumbles recovered under pees then he had under pagano at age 34.

he also had more passes defended and even scored a TD under pees.

seriously you can just look this up before making assumptions....."

Reed played under Pees for just one year in 2012. The majority of Reed's career was under Rex Ryan and then later Pagano. Reed didn't change his playing style for Pees because he was already a legend. If Pees was the DC during Reed's early years, it's clear to see it would have been different. Its not hard to see that our secondary has struggled under Pees. Many players have been given that opportunity in the secondary since he became the DC, and nearly all of them have failed despite history of prior success with other teams, and success after they leave our team. You can have all the stat in the world, there's no denying that the defensive is no longer a great defense.

Just this year for example the defense will be ranked in the top 10, but this defense blew 4th quarter lead after 4th quarter lead, gave up several big players, couldn't get off the field, and were 5-10 ok. For most of the season, Suggs was the only starter on defense on IR. The offense was decimated, the defense not so much. Yet the defense is the main reason we're not in the playoff this season. Your stats does not hold water.

[ellicottraven]

A very Happy New Year to all the Ravens personnel, front office, back office, players and most importantly my fellow Ravens fans! Great news to end the depressing cycle of disappointing 2015 losses with a thumping of a fully loaded Steelers team with essentially our back ups!

I remember every time we won against them, Steelers fans talking about either Ben or some other player absent from their roster. But, now what excuses do you really have? Nothing!

Steve Smith's announcement was a shot in the arm for all Ravens fans too as was the revelation of Mallet's potential as a back up! Joe is getting healthy, Suggs is getting healthy, Forsett is already healthy and most importantly we may end up picking in the top 10 of the 2016 draft! What's not to get excited about 2016 folks??

Who really ahs it better than us? NOBODY!

Edited January 1, 2016 by ellicottraven

[balfan23]

"For fans clamoring for Pagano to return keep in mind he had a ball hawk in Ed Reed, a intimidating hit man in Pollard, and while not great Foxworth and C. Williams are better CBs than what the Ravens have now. Colts defense looks terrible. I like Pags and his attacking style, but the bottom line is the Ravens don't have the safeties and CB to be aggressive. Pags would need time to build that."

I guess we would never know this. However I think that if Reed played under Pees he wouldn't have been the Reed that we know today. Just about every player in the secondary looks bad under Pees - in my opinion.

You may argue that the talent we had on defense when Pagano took over was better than what we have today. However, I think the point is that the defense that Pagano inherited, while indeed being talented, did not play at a truly high level in the years prior to his 1 year tenure. We we tended to play soft at times and had issues holding leads (sound familiar?). The vision that Ravens fans who will be clamoring for us to bring Pagano back is that he will restore some of that aggressiveness and swagger back to this unit. 

[balfan23]

"For fans clamoring for Pagano to return keep in mind he had a ball hawk in Ed Reed, a intimidating hit man in Pollard, and while not great Foxworth and C. Williams are better CBs than what the Ravens have now. Colts defense looks terrible. I like Pags and his attacking style, but the bottom line is the Ravens don't have the safeties and CB to be aggressive. Pags would need time to build that."

I guess we would never know this. However I think that if Reed played under Pees he wouldn't have been the Reed that we know today. Just about every player in the secondary looks bad under Pees - in my opinion.

 

As far as how the Indy defense has played... I just don't know why fans want to blame an HC when the unit they had once coordinated falters. That is not their job anymore ... they are dealing with the entire operation. The failure of the team as a whole may call into question Pagano's ability to be an HC, but his defenses performance has little to do with what his performance would be if he returned to his DC duties.

 

I keep saying the same thing when people talk about Trestman. Heck, I lived in MN and watched Brian Billick OC for the Vikings back in the late 90s ... of course he had phenomenal talent but still showed ingenuity in his ability to use it. How was the offense in Baltimore after he got here? Yeah - not a reflection on what kind of OC he was. 

[JamesA119]

""For fans clamoring for Pagano to return keep in mind he had a ball hawk in Ed Reed, a intimidating hit man in Pollard, and while not great Foxworth and C. Williams are better CBs than what the Ravens have now. Colts defense looks terrible. I like Pags and his attacking style, but the bottom line is the Ravens don't have the safeties and CB to be aggressive. Pags would need time to build that."

I guess we would never know this. However I think that if Reed played under Pees he wouldn't have been the Reed that we know today. Just about every player in the secondary looks bad under Pees - in my opinion.

As far as how the Indy defense has played... I just don't know why fans want to blame an HC when the unit they had once coordinated falters. That is not their job anymore ... they are dealing with the entire operation. The failure of the team as a whole may call into question Pagano's ability to be an HC, but his defenses performance has little to do with what his performance would be if he returned to his DC duties.

I keep saying the same thing when people talk about Trestman. Heck, I lived in MN and watched Brian Billick OC for the Vikings back in the late 90s ... of course he had phenomenal talent but still showed ingenuity in his ability to use it. How was the offense in Baltimore after he got here? Yeah - not a reflection on what kind of OC he was. "

Pagano is not the DC for the Colts. He is the HC. It's not clear how that usually translates - when a defensive minded head coach takes over a team or an offensive minded HC takes over a team.

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

Way to go Williams and Aiken...Cant be both a Raven and Steeler fan.

[sami]

Doesn't matter to me if Snoop is a Steelers fan or a Ravens fan cuz I'm not a Snoop fan.

[The Greek]

would love to have pagano back if he does not get hired as a hc elsewhere. defense needs an attacking style dc. get back to what this team is known for

[The Greek]

greg mattison was like pees which was play a safe defense. when pagano took over after mattison the aggressive nature of this defense was noticeable instantly. we need that back. hope pees is let go.

[Ravensfansince03]

Steve Smith messed up by announcing his retirement too soon. You gotta wait until the season is just about finished to announce something like that. Him announcing it early like that kills the momentum build up and can cause distraction when you still have to play through 17 weeks. He should of learned from Ray

[thecommish]

Brings Pags back!!!!!!!

[thecommish]

Pags and / or Rex would bring that swagger back to our defense.... that has been lacking for a long time now! Need to make something happen there!

[thecommish]

If we can close a horrible season, filled with adversity out with a win over Pittsburgh and Cincy back to back... with half a squad... that could go a long way towards springboarding us into a great 2016!

[Tru11]

"

"For fans clamoring for Pagano to return keep in mind he had a ball hawk in Ed Reed, a intimidating hit man in Pollard, and while not great Foxworth and C. Williams are better CBs than what the Ravens have now. Colts defense looks terrible. I like Pags and his attacking style, but the bottom line is the Ravens don't have the safeties and CB to be aggressive. Pags would need time to build that."

I guess we would never know this. However I think that if Reed played under Pees he wouldn't have been the Reed that we know today. Just about every player in the secondary looks bad under Pees - in my opinion.

reed had more picks , tackles and fumbles recovered under pees then he had under pagano at age 34.

he also had more passes defended and even scored a TD under pees.

seriously you can just look this up before making assumptions....."

Reed played under Pees for just one year in 2012. The majority of Reed's career was under Rex Ryan and then later Pagano. Reed didn't change his playing style for Pees because he was already a legend. If Pees was the DC during Reed's early years, it's clear to see it would have been different. Its not hard to see that our secondary has struggled under Pees. Many players have been given that opportunity in the secondary since he became the DC, and nearly all of them have failed despite history of prior success with other teams, and success after they leave our team. You can have all the stat in the world, there's no denying that the defensive is no longer a great defense.

Just this year for example the defense will be ranked in the top 10, but this defense blew 4th quarter lead after 4th quarter lead, gave up several big players, couldn't get off the field, and were 5-10 ok. For most of the season, Suggs was the only starter on defense on IR. The offense was decimated, the defense not so much. Yet the defense is the main reason we're not in the playoff this season. Your stats does not hold water.

 

pretty sure he played also 1 year under pagano as well...

 

you do know he was only our DC for 1 season right?

 

again you can look this up....

 

also actually the stats pretty much support there was no drop off in production for reed going from pagano to pees.....

 

also its fully expected a defense to fall off when it loses 2 of the best players ever at their position.

 

im not sure how you can expect a defense with orr and lewis to preform at the same level it did ray and ed which precisely was my point.

Edited January 1, 2016 by Tru11

[BigUgly]

I'd like to see Pags or Schwartz replace Pees. Schwartz built the Bills into a #2 Defense, which Rex then turned into a bottom 5 unit.

[Fastynart]

Tired of the lame excuses for Ozzie Newsome and his awful drafting. One Pro Bowl player drafted in the last seven years? This crap about him being a draft wizard is just that, crap. He has blown so many high draft choices that it has left the Ravens, especially the defense, in tatters. We have got to have someone doing the picking that knows talent. His recent track record proves that he doesn't.

[law215]

Snoop is like most Steelers fans who are also Yankees fans, who are also Lakers fans, those who jump on the bandwagon of any team with a history of success. No true Steeler fan would put on Ravens gear.