2016 Edge Rusher thread

[Mt. Crushmore]

27 minutes ago, Willbacker said:

Anybody impressed by Victor Ochi. Watched him in the east west game. Showed good hustle,tenacityand when he couldn't get close to the QB he was jumping and constantly in pursuit.Only going off an allstar game but I was impressed. Seemed like he had little man syndrome coming from a small college.

Impressed me at the Shrine Game

[GrimCoconut]

33 minutes ago, Willbacker said:

Anybody impressed by Victor Ochi. Watched him in the east west game. Showed good hustle,tenacityand when he couldn't get close to the QB he was jumping and constantly in pursuit.Only going off an allstar game but I was impressed. Seemed like he had little man syndrome coming from a small college.

Quite a few of us have discussed him. So, I would say yes! I do like what I saw from him as well in the EW game. 

[Willbacker]

17 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

17 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

Quite a few of us have discussed him. So, I would say yes! I do like what I saw from him as well in the EW game. 

Quite a few of us have discussed him. So, I would say yes! I do like what I saw from him as well in the EW game. 

What rd do you think the trigger should be pulled? I'm worried if we wait until the 4th it could be too late but just the hustle and desire he showed made me really want to see him become a Raven. I don't think we can get Bosa or that Lawson would fit our scheme and I'm not very high on Ogbah(just don't care for players out of the Big 12 unless they're skill position or cover guys) so I don't see a rusher in the 1st but we definitly need to add some talent to the OLB position.

[Cillmatic]

I realized that I'd be much happier taking Spence if we had a strong locker room; with our great players either gone or nearing retirement I just don't see goodie goodie strong character or headstrong guys on the defense anymore. v

[allblackraven]

6 minutes ago, Cillmatic said:

I realized that I'd be much happier taking Spence if we had a strong locker room; with our great players either gone or nearing retirement I just don't see goodie goodie strong character or headstrong guys on the defense anymore. v

Will Hill did just fine from that point of view.

[PurpleCity5]

I really want Spence here, I think Bosa can work as a 3-4 OLB but it isn't a sure thing while Spence is easily a guy who can do it. I don't have a problem with picking him at 6 anymore if he does pass the character test. I think if Spence does really well in the combine he can shoot up boards. Beasily went from the 20s to the top 10 and prior to the 2014 College Football season I could recall Dante Fowler being a mid-late 1st round pick. I'm fine with Spence as of now but the biggest problem I have is missing out on picks. Its not whether or not hes the best player available but if you can get more picks and get the same player, why not go for it? 

[GrimCoconut]

11 hours ago, PurpleCity5 said:

I really want Spence here, I think Bosa can work as a 3-4 OLB but it isn't a sure thing while Spence is easily a guy who can do it. I don't have a problem with picking him at 6 anymore if he does pass the character test. I think if Spence does really well in the combine he can shoot up boards. Beasily went from the 20s to the top 10 and prior to the 2014 College Football season I could recall Dante Fowler being a mid-late 1st round pick. I'm fine with Spence as of now but the biggest problem I have is missing out on picks. Its not whether or not hes the best player available but if you can get more picks and get the same player, why not go for it? 

I really wouldn't mind Spence at 6 and I've felt this way since I really looked into him. I agree with you, it would be nice to trade back and get a few more picks to select a guy you wanted anyway. I guess the questions we must ask are does anyone want to trade, what's the offer, how far back are we going, and will he still be there based upon teams ahead of us picking him? 

[ALPHA]

12 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I really wouldn't mind Spence at 6 and I've felt this way since I really looked into him. I agree with you, it would be nice to trade back and get a few more picks to select a guy you wanted anyway. I guess the questions we must ask are does anyone want to trade, what's the offer, how far back are we going, and will he still be there based upon teams ahead of us picking him? 

Do you think he can handle the jump in competition?

 

What do you guys think of Kevin Dodd?

[GrimCoconut]

2 minutes ago, ALPHA said:

Do you think he can handle the jump in competition?

 

What do you guys think of Kevin Dodd?

He was a dominant player while at Ohio State before he was kicked out of the B1G, so why not? It's not like he never played against top competition. He went to EKU after he was a starter at Ohio State. He wasn't a scrub who was kicked off that team. 

I like Dodd quite a bit but I really am a bit biased in terms of 3-4 OLB height. I like my 3-4 OLB to be right around 6-3 since that's commonly a height most successful OLB share. I think Dodd will be one of, if not the, tallest 3-4 OLB. I think height is important to an extent because those tall guys typically have a difficult time with leverage and bending at the waist, which is critical for an OLB off the edge. 

[BmoreBird22]

I'm not really sold on the idea of taking Spence at sixth overall, personally. I think he's got some serious potential, but I don't know, I think the Ravens could do better, and it has nothing to do with the off the field.

 

As for Dodd, I don't worry about his height because he has a great shoulder dip and really good bend around the edge.

[Clmraven]

17 hours ago, PurpleCity5 said:

I really want Spence here, I think Bosa can work as a 3-4 OLB but it isn't a sure thing while Spence is easily a guy who can do it. I don't have a problem with picking him at 6 anymore if he does pass the character test. I think if Spence does really well in the combine he can shoot up boards. Beasily went from the 20s to the top 10 and prior to the 2014 College Football season I could recall Dante Fowler being a mid-late 1st round pick. I'm fine with Spence as of now but the biggest problem I have is missing out on picks. Its not whether or not hes the best player available but if you can get more picks and get the same player, why not go for it? 

I like Spence a lot and would consider him at 6 depending on whose there but I'd much rather trade back and try to get him. And if it came down to him vs Bosa I'd still pick Bosa every time, Bosa might not be a perfect pick for the 3-4 but he's already a beast in the pass and the run game, whereas Spence could use some work in the run game. Not to mention if we somehow got Bosa we could use him as a 3-4 DE on passing downs so Doom and Suggs could stay on the field while giving Bosa extra reps that a true 3-4 OLB probably wouldnt get.

[PurpleCity5]

3 hours ago, Clmraven said:

I like Spence a lot and would consider him at 6 depending on whose there but I'd much rather trade back and try to get him. And if it came down to him vs Bosa I'd still pick Bosa every time, Bosa might not be a perfect pick for the 3-4 but he's already a beast in the pass and the run game, whereas Spence could use some work in the run game. Not to mention if we somehow got Bosa we could use him as a 3-4 DE on passing downs so Doom and Suggs could stay on the field while giving Bosa extra reps that a true 3-4 OLB probably wouldnt get.

I firmly believe Spence is more of an fit as an OLB than Bosa, but I wouldn't pass on Bosa for him. I do think Bosa can function as an OLB/DE hybrid, I do think there is a legit concern with him being too big but Julius Peppers made a seamless transition from a DE to an OLB and hes 6'7, Aaron Lynch is also a good 6'5 or 6'6 and 270, hes similar to Bosa in height and weight.  

 

I do agree with the trade back but it depends on where the guy I really like is going. If Spence isn't going into the top 15, then I would like a trade back if he were to be the guy we would be picking at 6 anyways. Might as well get more picks while you're at it.

Edited January 29, 2016 by PurpleCity5

[JoeyFlex5]

Calling it now... 

 

Spence picks up some major hype but the world assumes that guys like bosa and Ramsey are still gonna go before hi., ravens fans are certain he will be there at 6 and that he is our guy, we're finally gonna get that super star first round edge rusher, and then Jax takes him 1 spot before us after Dallas takes Ramsey and we take Alexander or hargreaves and swear that they were our top targets all along

[Inqui]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Calling it now... 

 

Spence picks up some major hype but the world assumes that guys like bosa and Ramsey are still gonna go before hi., ravens fans are certain he will be there at 6 and that he is our guy, we're finally gonna get that super star first round edge rusher, and then Jax takes him 1 spot before us after Dallas takes Ramsey and we take Alexander or hargreaves and swear that they were our top targets all along

That sounds painfully familiar.

Maybe send Spence to the Chargers at 3, Ramsey/Bosa to the Cowboys at 4 and the other one to the Jags at 5.

Edited January 29, 2016 by Inqui

[allblackraven]

15 minutes ago, Inqui said:

That sounds painfully familiar.

Maybe send Spence to the Chargers at 3, Ramsey/Bosa to the Cowboys at 4 and the other one to the Jags at 5.

And we take A'Shawn Robinson at 6

[Inqui]

12 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

And we take A'Shawn Robinson at 6

Nah, Derrick Henry.

[allblackraven]

19 minutes ago, Inqui said:

Nah, Derrick Henry.

We'll take him in 2nd round

[JoeyFlex5]

2 hours ago, allblackraven said:

And we take A'Shawn Robinson at 6

Yeah Robinson sounds more realistic than Alexander lol

[GrimCoconut]

8 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Calling it now... 

 

Spence picks up some major hype but the world assumes that guys like bosa and Ramsey are still gonna go before hi., ravens fans are certain he will be there at 6 and that he is our guy, we're finally gonna get that super star first round edge rusher, and then Jax takes him 1 spot before us after Dallas takes Ramsey and we take Alexander or hargreaves and swear that they were our top targets all along

I'm not sure this will be the reality but I expect Spence picks up steam around here if he has a good combine and starts getting widely recognized as a potential pick for us. At that point people will start calling him the guy we'll "never have a shot at getting" while we pick at 6.

Lol I love overreactions.

[Ravensfan23]

On 1/24/2016 at 10:32 PM, GrimCoconut said:

I like Bosa but I do wonder if he's going to be maximized here in terms of talent. I like Spence more as a fit for us, even Ngakoue. I think the best OLBs in the NFL hover around the 6-3 height. He just doesn't bend well to play OLB here. I haven't seen him effectively rush the QB as a stand-up rusher, either. Then again, it can happen. Just because a guy like him doesn't exist doesn't mean he can't be the exception & not the rule. 

 

I have to agree with Bmore in that he may be better as a 3-4 DE who occasionally can rush the passer as an OLB but he's more often than not playing DE than OLB. 

I would love Ramsey in the first and Spence in the 2ND. That would add two dogs to this defense which is greatly needed. 

 

In terms of Bosa I think he would be a great fit here honestly. Yes there might be some concern scheme wise but I don't see it as a major issue. I think Bosa is a high IQ guy from what I've seen and he's technically sound. He uses his eyes, hands and leverage very well. This is what allows him to play inside, outside and be adequate in zone coverage. The reason why I think he'd be a good fit is because the Ravens have historically been known to just add play makers and find a place to play them later. The Hybrid DE/OLB position was practically created by the Ravens for guys like Peter B and Suggs. Even though Rex gets the most credit for how AD was used, it's still apart of the Ravens DNA. Guys like JJ, Bart, Jameel to name a few all played different positions in the Ravens defense then they played in college. So that alone would make me comfortable taking Bosa at 6th if there. 

Also having a year or two to learn under Suggs would be huge for his development as well. If he's there I'd take him. But Ramsay would be my first choice.

[BmoreBird22]

10 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

I'm not sure this will be the reality but I expect Spence picks up steam around here if he has a good combine and starts getting widely recognized as a potential pick for us. At that point people will start calling him the guy we'll "never have a shot at getting" while we pick at 6.

Lol I love overreactions.

Honestly, this board has more overreactions than I think is typical and it usually comes in the form of a passing fancy.

First people really wanted Ronnie Stanley but weren't convinced we could get him and now no one wants him even though we can have him.
Then everyone was hyped for Jack to pair with Mosley, then that died and got a little revival before dying again.
Then everyone wanted VHIII to form an elite secondary and people think he's overrated now.
Then people wanted Treadwell because they wanted Joe to have another weapon, but now he may be too slow.
Then it was how we need a speed rusher like Leonard Floyd, but now most agree he's too small.
Then it was Ramsey and how he'd be elite, then he was soured on, and then loved once again.
Now it's Noah Spence.

Not necessarily in that order, but I feel like a couple people really like a player and the rest of the board all of a sudden hops on that hype train and rides it for a week or two before it dies down and inevitably moves to the next player.

[rmw10]

1 minute ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Honestly, this board has more overreactions than I think is typical and it usually comes in the form of a passing fancy.

First people really wanted Ronnie Stanley but weren't convinced we could get him and now no one wants him even though we can have him.
Then everyone was hyped for Jack to pair with Mosley, then that died and got a little revival before dying again.
Then everyone wanted VHIII to form an elite secondary and people think he's overrated now.
Then people wanted Treadwell because they wanted Joe to have another weapon, but now he may be too slow.
Then it was how we need a speed rusher like Leonard Floyd, but now most agree he's too small.
Then it was Ramsey and how he'd be elite, then he was soured on, and then loved once again.
Now it's Noah Spence.

Not necessarily in that order, but I feel like a couple people really like a player and the rest of the board all of a sudden hops on that hype train and rides it for a week or two before it dies down and inevitably moves to the next player.

Rinse, repeat.  I feel like everyone is following the masses this year too.  One person says something and everyone seems to slowly convert.

[RavensFanMania]

27 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Rinse, repeat.  I feel like everyone is following the masses this year too.  One person says something and everyone seems to slowly convert.

Definitely does seem that way.  I'm an avid Ramsey supporter.  In order and for a couple weeks now I've been Tunsil, Bosa, Ramsey, Buckner, Treadwell.  I'm not on the Spence bandwagon.  Especially with the 6th pick.  Now maybe if he's available towards the middle of the 1st round, I could be up for that, but definitely NOT at six. 

I would much rather sure up the defense than the offense with our high picks this year.  However, I have Tunsil with the first pick, because he shouldn't be passed on if available.  We don't pick this high that often and he would be a great protector for Flacco.  I also still like Stanley. 

Edited January 30, 2016 by RavensFanMania

[allblackraven]

@BmoreBird22 @rmw10

You are absolutely right. Couple of most frequented threads look like "jump on board _________ train" have been merged.

[52520Andrew]

23 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Rinse, repeat.  I feel like everyone is following the masses this year too.  One person says something and everyone seems to slowly convert.

Yeah been seeing the same as well. Lots of flip flopping from certain people as well.

[RaineV1]

20 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Calling it now... 

 

Spence picks up some major hype but the world assumes that guys like bosa and Ramsey are still gonna go before hi., ravens fans are certain he will be there at 6 and that he is our guy, we're finally gonna get that super star first round edge rusher, and then Jax takes him 1 spot before us after Dallas takes Ramsey and we take Alexander or hargreaves and swear that they were our top targets all along

I'd be okay with that scenario, since I'll happily take Alexander. Though it would suck to lose out on Spence if he really is a guy the Ravens' want.

[GrimCoconut]

@BmoreBird22

No kidding, man. I've mentioned that problem a lot and noticed it myself. There's one guy in particular who is very guilty of it. 

Anyway, I just haven't committed yet myself. I find myself personally flip-flopping between who I'd like, but that's because I think I realize (for myself at least) that there's no one guy I feel like we must have. All these guys have warts, man. Every single one of them. I just want an impact player and I don't care who it is or what position they play. 

[BmoreBird22]

3 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

@BmoreBird22

No kidding, man. I've mentioned that problem a lot and noticed it myself. There's one guy in particular who is very guilty of it. 

Anyway, I just haven't committed yet myself. I find myself personally flip-flopping between who I'd like, but that's because I think I realize (for myself at least) that there's no one guy I feel like we must have. All these guys have warts, man. Every single one of them. I just want an impact player and I don't care who it is or what position they play. 

And I'm not even saying that everyone is doing it or calling anyone out, but a lot of people here like the popular player and discard them when no one wants them anymore. I have the players I like and don't like and that's that for me. I try to just do my own homework and not follow the crowd.

[GrimCoconut]

35 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

And I'm not even saying that everyone is doing it or calling anyone out, but a lot of people here like the popular player and discard them when no one wants them anymore. I have the players I like and don't like and that's that for me. I try to just do my own homework and not follow the crowd.

Yeah, it happens a lot. Can't blame people who don't follow the draft that closely for it, though. I can't fault anyone for that. I personally still maintain the same guys I like at 6 that I liked before. Nobody's really fallen out of place for me. Some guys I like better than others, and some rose I didn't expect, but I still like the same guys. Spence really rose for me. I was impressed by him a lot. I know you're not as big on him, but I think he's got all the talent to be a good player, it's only his head I questioned. He may be better value in the second if he's there, honestly. His stock is one I admittedly have a hard time gauging. 

[JoeyFlex5]

@BmoreBird22 I'm guilty of that with a few prospects myself. I have flip flopped heavily on Ramsey and Floyd specifically, I also was quick on the ogbah bandwagon and have basically disregarded him since. But between stanley, buckner, bosa, treadwell, I have remained adamant and would be happy with any of them. Vh3 I was always weary of but I did like him very much, since he struggled it made me pause on him, I still don't know who I like between Him and alexander though. Its typical behavior though, people either follow trends or go against them