2016 Edge Rusher thread

[Robbyrobbass]

Not sure I agree with your other post that Bosa is highly overrated, but I do like Noah Spence quite a bit. He's up there for me as a pass rusher I want for the team with Yannick Ngakoue & Jonathan Allen. Those are really the only four guys who really get me interested. I'm just not feeling a lot of the pass rushers this year.

Why do you feel Bosa is overrated? I'd like to hear. I'll admit that there are things I've seen from his game that concern me, but his ability to apply pressure is really, really good.

I feel he is ovverrated bc in the nfl the offensive coordinator will get u matched up on a te somehow and he will be exploited in pass coverage hes no jj watt he should play more inside or de In a 4-3 hes not our guy

[RavensFanMania]

Not sure I agree with your other post that Bosa is highly overrated, but I do like Noah Spence quite a bit. He's up there for me as a pass rusher I want for the team with Yannick Ngakoue & Jonathan Allen. Those are really the only four guys who really get me interested. I'm just not feeling a lot of the pass rushers this year. 

 

Why do you feel Bosa is overrated? I'd like to hear. I'll admit that there are things I've seen from his game that concern me, but his ability to apply pressure is really, really good.

And can apply pressure from the inside and out.  He's not just an edge rusher.

[Raven'evermore]

 Forgot to mention Treadwell would also be a better pick.  More and likely could add another score to our games than would be with our current crop of receivers. 

[Edgar]

Noah spence is a good fit for us. Has some drug stuff in his past(hopefully) but is probably as good a fit as any at OLB

[GrimCoconut]

I feel he is ovverrated bc in the nfl the offensive coordinator will get u matched up on a te somehow and he will be exploited in pass coverage hes no jj watt he should play more inside or de In a 4-3 hes not our guy

Eh, with all due respect, while I think coverage is important, I wouldn't pass or call Bosa overrated because of coverage. Suggs isn't even the best in coverage (although he's a beast on those screens) but you get a pass rusher to do that--rush the passer & give him Hell. 

[Robbyrobbass]

Eh, with all due respect, while I think coverage is important, I wouldn't pass or call Bosa overrated because of coverage. Suggs isn't even the best in coverage (although he's a beast on those screens) but you get a pass rusher to do that--rush the passer & give him Hell.

how old is Suggs again ? Lol your right they do look the same in coverage

[GrimCoconut]

how old is Suggs again ? Lol your right they do look the same in coverage

Suggs' age doesn't really have anything to do with his coverage since he was never the best in coverage. He's good but I wouldn't call him one of the best. He's just a well-rounded player, that's for sure, who excels at rushing the passer & applying pressure. I really like Bosa a lot. Believe me when I say if a guy is hyped and doesn't warrant it, I will say it and agree. I wasn't a fan of Clowney and so far he's proved me right, but he has gotten better lately so maybe I'll eventually be wrong about him. 

 

That said, I think you're too harsh on him if it's just due to coverage. If you're drafting an OLB, I honestly care more about their ability to rush the passer than drop back into coverage. 

[DomMcRaven]

 I've said before that I don't follow college football so most of my information comes from these boards and watching a little tape, although quite frankly, I'm not quite sure what it is I'm supposed to be looking for.  Yeah, I know, pathetic, right.  However, my problem with taking Bosa or for that matter any pass rusher with the 6th pick is that there are so many more immediate needs  imo.  For all the comparisons to Watt or whoever; as good as Watt or Bosa are, they can still only do so much.  For instance as a pass rusher, Bosa can hurry, disrupt or sack the qb, but someone like Alexander (if he's as good as advertised) might usually shut down that one side of the field.  Might it be better to try and go back up and get a pass rusher after the first pick depending on who's available.  Where am I wrong?  Neggers may fire when ready.

Not at all. Trust me, I've been saying for awhile.  Apart from asking questions about certain prospects, I don't bother post in the draft threads. 

[rmw10]

Tim Williams might be on the light side but damn can he get after a QB.

[January J]

Shaq Lawson isnt looking bad tonight- even with the banged up knee.

Edited January 12, 2016 by January J

[jdynamite]

Does anyone else wonder if we're really out of range to draft Bosa? I recall last year when Gregory was seen as The Guy and he fell hard due to marijuana issues but still. Same goes for Ray. I just wonder if Bosa is truly out of our grasp.

The only reason I have hope for Bosa falling is because last year I never imagined L.Williams USC falling to #6 with the Jets. He was a safe pick, a top 5 prospect, versatile player as well.

I really didn't expect the jags to take Fowler over him, fowler could end up good. I just didn't understand how he exploded so much around draft time. Teams are still hoping to get the next great edge rusher "sack artist "after that 2011 draft produced Von Miller, JJ Watt, Aldon Smith, Robert Quinn. Then there's the other side of that B.Mingo, D.Jordan whom haven't lived up to expectations.

I'd like to see Clowney get healthy and make an impact, for such a rare talent, I remember him and Mack being called 1A, 1B prospects and I thought it was silly but K.Mack has looked excellent versus run and pass in his first 2 years.

[PurpleCity5]

I've said before that I don't follow college football so most of my information comes from these boards and watching a little tape, although quite frankly, I'm not quite sure what it is I'm supposed to be looking for. Yeah, I know, pathetic, right. However, my problem with taking Bosa or for that matter any pass rusher with the 6th pick is that there are so many more immediate needs imo. For all the comparisons to Watt or whoever; as good as Watt or Bosa are, they can still only do so much. For instance as a pass rusher, Bosa can hurry, disrupt or sack the qb, but someone like Alexander (if he's as good as advertised) might usually shut down that one side of the field. Might it be better to try and go back up and get a pass rusher after the first pick depending on who's available. Where am I wrong? Neggers may fire when ready.

I think we need an edge rusher on this team very badly. For sure its a big need and its up there with CB. I love Suggs but you have to wonder if he'll be the same guy, rehabbing from an injury like that is brutal, especially at age 33. Lets also be honest here, Doom is not a 3-down Linebacker, he was overwhelmed by that role and his pass rush declined because of that, he is best fit in the role he was in last year. After that you have Za'Darius Smith who has been a bright spot but I don't know if he'll be great, or disappoint like some other prospects have in the past, you also have to think about the future here as well. I like Alexander, but I can't pick him over Bosa, if both are as good as advertaised i'm still going with the edge rusher.

[Raven'evermore]

I think we need an edge rusher on this team very badly. For sure its a big need and its up there with CB. I love Suggs but you have to wonder if he'll be the same guy, rehabbing from an injury like that is brutal, especially at age 33. Lets also be honest here, Doom is not a 3-down Linebacker, he was overwhelmed by that role and his pass rush declined because of that, he is best fit in the role he was in last year. After that you have Za'Darius Smith who has been a bright spot but I don't know if he'll be great, or disappoint like some other prospects have in the past, you also have to think about the future here as well. I like Alexander, but I can't pick him over Bosa, if both are as good as advertaised i'm still going with the edge rusher.

 

 I think there's a good argument on either side.  Suggs is getting older but I think he would still be a viable part at least for another year barring injuries.  The good news (if you want to look at it this way) is that we so are needy in so many positions that  we could hit a home run either way.  Also heard Alexander had to come out with a hamstring injury so that may or may not matter. 

[Raven'evermore]

Not at all. Trust me, I've been saying for awhile.  Apart from asking questions about certain prospects, I don't bother post in the draft threads. 

 

 Thank you for that.  Glad it's not just me.  Actually I was kidding about the pathetic part.  Quite frankly I don't have the time to do all that research anyway.  Leave that up to the experts. 

[gooftroop]

Shaq Lawson isnt looking bad tonight- even with the banged up knee.

He sure did. Should be there if we trade down a few spots for extra picks- if there isn't anyone the brass doesn't absolutely love at #6.

[GrimCoconut]

I honestly don't think Shaq Lawson looks good. He gets sacks when he's virtually unblocked, coverage, or out of effort. I never see him beat the LT straight up unless it's through power. He lacks finesse and speed. I think it would be a mistake drafting him

[allblackraven]

I honestly don't think Shaq Lawson looks good. He gets sacks when he's virtually unblocked, coverage, or out of effort. I never see him beat the LT straight up unless it's through power. He lacks finesse and speed. I think it would be a mistake drafting him

That's exactly what happened few times yesterday - he has no chance in the NFL I think. That Clemson other end Dodd looked pretty good at times, though.

[GrimCoconut]

That's exactly what happened few times yesterday - he has no chance in the NFL I think. That Clemson other end Dodd looked pretty good at times, though.

I really like Dodd. I'm not sure why Lawson gets all the hype but all I see is another Courtney Upshaw. I'll be furious if we take him honestly. Well, I'll be furious depending on who's there. If he's truly BPA then I'm cool with it; however, I think he goes earlier than I'd take him.

[CalvinSmoke]

That's exactly what happened few times yesterday - he has no chance in the NFL I think. That Clemson other end Dodd looked pretty good at times, though.

reminds me of bud Dupree and za'darius Smith

[January J]

I honestly don't think Shaq Lawson looks good. He gets sacks when he's virtually unblocked, coverage, or out of effort. I never see him beat the LT straight up unless it's through power. He lacks finesse and speed. I think it would be a mistake drafting him

he does kind of remind me of upshaw. I don't like his attitude either.

[Italian Raven]

I do like Shaq, as I previously mentioned.
However I had to change my pick in the poll, as I don't think he'd be a good fit in Baltimore; he lacks the ideal bending and speed to be a 3-4 OLB. 
I don't see the comparison with Za'Darius/Dupree though.. they were both much more agile, our 4th rounder used a ton of swim moves and Dupree was just a freaking fast/unpolished edge-rusher, more similar to Floyd.
I'd say he's the next Robert Ayers.
Now, it's not that I have to pull for Lawson at any cost; I'm not his mom nor I'd take him at #6 overall, but I don't know if you've ever seen Upshaw spinning or using the hands like he does.
Even the "good when unblocked" tag sounds unfair imo:


(I don't want to fill an entire forum's page with gifs, so I'll just highlight his spin)


(spins against Stanley)









I don't have enough time to dig into vids now, but he will fare well as a base 4-3 DE and when coaches don't ask him to 'spy'.
 

[Tru11]

thats a nasty spin move.

[GrimCoconut]

Good point. He does have a great spin move. That's really his only move. With that said, despite his really sweet spin move, I just don't like him.

[ravensnation5220]

Wouldnt mind the other kid from Clemson, word is that kevin dodd will apply for the draft

[allblackraven]

Wouldnt mind the other kid from Clemson, word is that kevin dodd will apply for the draft

 

He did:

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000621862/article/clemson-de-kevin-dodd-intends-to-enter-2016-nfl-draft

 

Kearse, too:

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000621949/article/clemson-db-jayron-kearse-intends-to-enter-2016-draft

[Italian Raven]

Good point. He does have a great spin move. That's really his only move. With that said, despite his really sweet spin move, I just don't like him.

He's not as complete as Carl Lawson or Bosa, I certainly give you that.

He doesn't possess a huge upper body strenght to help his bull-rush but he has a good understanding of what he does, you'll never see him spinning unnecessarily (like Nkemdiche).

However I saw him performing some stab and grab, or slap pretty effectively.

I know he's no sexy pick, but I would be more concerned with Robinson moves than his.

I'll quickly give a look at few other tapes later but in the first 3 I didn't see him doing anything but bull-rushing the opponents without really mantaining control of his gap.

He looks like a freakish athlet, very explosive but I'm quite skeptical in this moment.

 

[JoeyFlex5]

I do like Shaq, as I previously mentioned.

However I had to change my pick in the poll, as I don't think he'd be a good fit in Baltimore; he lacks the ideal bending and speed to be a 3-4 OLB. 

I don't see the comparison with Za'Darius/Dupree though.. they were both much more agile, our 4th rounder used a ton of swim moves and Dupree was just a freaking fast/unpolished edge-rusher, more similar to Floyd.

I'd say he's the next Robert Ayers.

Now, it's not that I have to pull for Lawson at any cost; I'm not his mom nor I'd take him at #6 overall, but I don't know if you've ever seen Upshaw spinning or using the hands like he does.

Even the "good when unblocked" tag sounds unfair imo:

 

yeah i dont like shaq lawson very much at all, but i have admitted to his lethal spin move, its very freeney-esque, however i dont know if he has the great burst to keep an OT on his heels giving him the inside lane easily enough for him to succeed with it. 

 

i think he can be a good 4-3 DE, i think if he goes to a 4-3 team he will just be a solid long term 3-down player, i just dont think he is what were looking for nor would he be a fit here. so i think you pretty much nailed it and i think thats how most of the board feels about him.

[Italian Raven]

yeah i dont like shaq lawson very much at all, but i have admitted to his lethal spin move, its very freeney-esque, however i dont know if he has the great burst to keep an OT on his heels giving him the inside lane easily enough for him to succeed with it. 

 

i think he can be a good 4-3 DE, i think if he goes to a 4-3 team he will just be a solid long term 3-down player, i just dont think he is what were looking for nor would he be a fit here. so i think you pretty much nailed it and i think thats how most of the board feels about him.

No definitely not a fit. I like him, as I tend to like technically sound players but he wouldn't thrive here.

[ravensnation5220]

He did:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000621862/article/clemson-de-kevin-dodd-intends-to-enter-2016-nfl-draft

Kearse, too:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000621949/article/clemson-db-jayron-kearse-intends-to-enter-2016-draft

now alexander too

[Mt. Crushmore]

Tim Williams might be on the light side but damn can he get after a QB.

 

If he declares I bet he goes earlier than people would think right now.