2016 Edge Rusher thread

[GrimCoconut]

I think if he falls (unless it's for something like a failed drugs test before the draft) it'd be more comparable to Leonard Williams falling last year. Iirc he was seen as the top prospect even around draft day, but just seemed to fall because teams simply preferred other guys.

A similar fall for Bosa is an interesting thought - and I don't think he's as physically dominant as a guy like Clowney was so I guess you can't rule out a fall like that until it does or doesn't happen. And if Goff and Lynch light up the draft process before the big day (and apparently Goff lit up his bowl game on his way to breaking Rodgers' school record for TD passes, so that's a start) that'd obviously help his freefall.

Great comparison. I can see teams wondering whether he fits as an OLB or DE and choose others because they're safer. Not sure I share those sentiments but NFL teams can be very unpredictable.

[GrimCoconut]

Why do you say #8? I thought as of now we have pick #6.

I thought we had #8? I'd love to have #6

[Inqui]

1. Tennessee Titans: 3-12 (.487 strength of schedule)  - Ronnie Stanley (assuming Chip goes there)
2. Cleveland Browns: 3-12 (.536 SOS)  - Paxton Lynch
3. San Diego Chargers: 4-11 (.518 SOS) - Laremy Tunsil
4. Dallas Cowboys: 4-11 (.540 SOS)  - Jaylon Smith
5. San Francisco 49ers: 4-11 (.549 SOS)  - Jared Goff
6. Jacksonville Jaguars: 5-10 (.464 SOS) - Jalen Ramsey
7. Miami Dolphins: 5-10 (.473 SOS) - VH3
8. Baltimore Ravens: 5-10 (.518 SOS) - Bosa

 

Not saying that's how it will definitively pan out by any stretch, but if Bosa did fall to us that's how it might pan out. And tbh I don't think any of those picks are wildly unreasonable.

[allblackraven]

I thought we had #8? I'd love to have #6

Oh, just saw Inqui's post - strength of schedule, not head-to-head as I assumed.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

1. Tennessee Titans: 3-12 (.487 strength of schedule)  - Ronnie Stanley (assuming Chip goes there)

2. Cleveland Browns: 3-12 (.536 SOS)  - Paxton Lynch

3. San Diego Chargers: 4-11 (.518 SOS) - Laremy Tunsil

4. Dallas Cowboys: 4-11 (.540 SOS)  - Jaylon Smith

5. San Francisco 49ers: 4-11 (.549 SOS)  - Jared Goff

6. Jacksonville Jaguars: 5-10 (.464 SOS) - Jalen Ramsey

7. Miami Dolphins: 5-10 (.473 SOS) - VH3

8. Baltimore Ravens: 5-10 (.518 SOS) - Bosa

 

Not saying that's how it will definitively pan out by any stretch, but if Bosa did fall to us that's how it might pan out. And tbh I don't think any of those picks are wildly unreasonable.

Did somebody say Joey Bosa?

[gabrielgrissom]

What weighs more, a pound of feathers or a pound of bricks?

trick question two bricks weighs more than a pound

[52520Andrew]

Those must be some tiny bricks

 

trick question two bricks weighs more than a pound

 

One brick weighs more than a pound. I am expressing the amount of bricks in this instance in decimal form which is plural even if it is less than one.

[gabrielgrissom]

One brick weighs more than a pound. I am expressing the amount of bricks in this instance in decimal form which is plural even if it is less than one.

Mind... Blown

[allblackraven]

One brick weighs more than a pound. I am expressing the amount of bricks in this instance in decimal form which is plural even if it is less than one.

 

+35

[Winchester]

I don't mean to go off topic here but muscle doesn't weigh more than fat. A pound is a pound, whether it's fat or muscle. Muscle is just denser than fat.

I hate this particular idiom. Lol sorry to rant

Allow me to join in. A pound is a pound. Muscle is more dense and heavy per volume than fat. However when a player or any person is very lean and muscular with very low bodyfat he will weigh far less than you would guess he weighs. Because when stripping off all fat the muscle structure and size remains the same, however he weighs 10lbs or so less. When I cut to lean out I look the same size but weigh less. Take Zadarius for example. He has a muscular frame and is kinda lean. He could cut and lean out and lose 20 lbs. Yet because he is not losing muscle off his frame he will look just as big yet he will weigh 260-265lbs as opposed to 280lbs or so. Yet as long as he cuts carefully and does not lose his muscle, he will look just as big at 260 lbs as when he was 280lbs. Most of the time you actually look a little bigger because the muscle pops out and is more visible because of less bodyfat. Michael McCrary because of knee problems leaned out to take weight off his knee. He played in the Superbowl at 240lbs!! Would of never guessed that huh?? But he only weighed 240lbs at the Superbowl. He said he played very light on his feet could feel how fast he was playing at the Superbowl run yet was just as strong.

well at least you point out its an idiom lol. in theory your right, but the saying exists for a reason, there is more weight per mass in muscle than in fat, but yes a pound is a pound lol

[PurpleCity5]

1. Tennessee Titans: 3-12 (.487 strength of schedule)  - Ronnie Stanley (assuming Chip goes there)

2. Cleveland Browns: 3-12 (.536 SOS)  - Paxton Lynch

3. San Diego Chargers: 4-11 (.518 SOS) - Laremy Tunsil

4. Dallas Cowboys: 4-11 (.540 SOS)  - Jaylon Smith

5. San Francisco 49ers: 4-11 (.549 SOS)  - Jared Goff

6. Jacksonville Jaguars: 5-10 (.464 SOS) - Jalen Ramsey

7. Miami Dolphins: 5-10 (.473 SOS) - VH3

8. Baltimore Ravens: 5-10 (.518 SOS) - Bosa

 

Not saying that's how it will definitively pan out by any stretch, but if Bosa did fall to us that's how it might pan out. And tbh I don't think any of those picks are wildly unreasonable.

That's exactly how I would picture it and I don't think any of these are unreasonable, I'm not sure about Chip but I would swap Tunsil and Stanley. Maybe Tunsil feels oblidged to help their franchise QB who has missed two games to injury. We've seen what hits to QB's have done to David Carr and Robert Griffin III and will hope that does not happen to Mariota. 

 

Dallas picking Jaylon Smith makes plenty of sense. While Sean Lean has been really good as a weakside OLB, they could benefit moving him to MLB and having Smith at OLB, that can really take their defense to the next level. Now it may be too rich of a price considering that not many 4-3 OLBs go that high but there have been plenty who have went into the top 10.

[Inqui]

That's exactly how I would picture it and I don't think any of these are unreasonable, I'm not sure about Chip but I would swap Tunsil and Stanley. Maybe Tunsil feels oblidged to help their franchise QB who has missed two games to injury. We've seen what hits to QB's have done to David Carr and Robert Griffin III and will hope that does not happen to Mariota. 

 

Dallas picking Jaylon Smith makes plenty of sense. While Sean Lean has been really good as a weakside OLB, they could benefit moving him to MLB and having Smith at OLB, that can really take their defense to the next level. Now it may be too rich of a price considering that not many 4-3 OLBs go that high but there have been plenty who have went into the top 10.

The idea behind Stanley to Tennessee is that he'd be a dream fit in Chip Kelly's system (think a better version of Jake Fisher), where Tunsil doesn't have the same athleticism.

 

Again, that's not to say that WILL happen by any stretch. The Browns need help in the trenches and might stick with Manziel, the Cowboys could just take Bosa if they think he's the better player for them than Smith and the Dolphins would be hard-pressed to pass him up if they lose Vernon. But a similar fall to Leonard Williams may not be completely out of the question, and there's a justifiable reason why each team in front of us may simply prefer someone else and that's before someone presumably breaks into the top 10.

 

Ultimately I agree with Grim - I wouldn't be surprised if one of VH3, Stanley, Bosa or Tunsil were there at 8.

[Winchester]

That win really screwed the draft position!! The ravens need to restock its alpha males. Unless Bosa flops the pre draft process there is no way in he\\ he is available at #8!! Only players that could tumble once holes in their game is exposed is Ramsey and Hargreaves. Which I prefer the ravens not to draft in the top15 picks. But the dudes are this years Jalen Strong of this forum. However this being a weak draft could end up top6 picks. As for edge rushers my favorite by far with Bosa is Carl Lewis. If he blows up the combine he could end up the top edge rusher in the draft.

[GrimCoconut]

That win really screwed the draft position!! The ravens need to restock its alpha males. Unless Bosa flops the pre draft process there is no way in he\\ he is available at #8!! Only players that could tumble once holes in their game is exposed is Ramsey and Hargreaves. Which I prefer the ravens not to draft in the top15 picks. But the dudes are this years Jalen Strong of this forum. However this being a weak draft could end up top6 picks. As for edge rushers my favorite by far with Bosa is Carl Lewis. If he blows up the combine he could end up the top edge rusher in the draft.

Do you mean Carl Lawson?

[hn68wb4]

I'll throw a name out here: Ronald Blair from Appalachian state. Mid rounder that gets into the backfield so naturally, he's a DE (he actually played all over the Dline but DE is his listed position) at App but he'd probably be an OLB for us at 6'4" 270 with good athleticism. His tape vs Clemson is available on YouTube.

Edited December 30, 2015 by hn68wb4

[ravefan52]

That win really screwed the draft position!! The ravens need to restock its alpha males. Unless Bosa flops the pre draft process there is no way in he\\ he is available at #8!! Only players that could tumble once holes in their game is exposed is Ramsey and Hargreaves. Which I prefer the ravens not to draft in the top15 picks. But the dudes are this years Jalen Strong of this forum. However this being a weak draft could end up top6 picks. As for edge rushers my favorite by far with Bosa is Carl Lewis. If he blows up the combine he could end up the top edge rusher in the draft.

It's possible. Many said the same about Leonard Williams falling past Washington at 5. Also how are Hargreaves and Ramsey similar to Jaelen Strong? And Carl *Lawson is a beast.

[GrimCoconut]

It's possible. Many said the same about Leonard Williams falling past Washington at 5. Also how are Hargreaves and Ramsey similar to Jaelen Strong? And Carl *Lawson is a beast.

I think he's referring to the fact that people may claim they are better than they are and should go higher than they should. 

[Winchester]

Do you mean Carl Lawson?

Yes, the da$# spell check!!

[Winchester]

I think he's referring to the fact that people may claim they are better than they are and should go higher than they should.

That and particular parts of their game pop out at the viewers and everybody pencils them in as future ravens pro bowlers. Everybody in Maryland had Jalen Strong as good as or better than Amari Cooper. I would of been surprised if he went before round3. Disappointing he could possibly be selected before Diggs, but we were excited because it gave the ravens a crack at Diggs because Texans were expected to go receiver.

[GrimCoconut]

That and particular parts of their game pop out at the viewers and everybody pencils them in as future ravens pro bowlers. Everybody in Maryland had Jalen Strong as good as or better than Amari Cooper. I would of been surprised if he went before round3. Disappointing he could possibly be selected before Diggs, but we were excited because it gave the ravens a crack at Diggs because Texans were expected to go receiver.

I don't recall anyone saying he was as good as Cooper let alone better.

[JoeyFlex5]

That and particular parts of their game pop out at the viewers and everybody pencils them in as future ravens pro bowlers. Everybody in Maryland had Jalen Strong as good as or better than Amari Cooper. I would of been surprised if he went before round3. Disappointing he could possibly be selected before Diggs, but we were excited because it gave the ravens a crack at Diggs because Texans were expected to go receiver.

nobody in the world ever said strong was anywhere near the same league as cooper. 

 

strong was overhyped around here because people hold boldin on a pedastal like some golden god and they all saw alot of boldin in his game, which was a honest comparison, but he also was much stiffer than boldin and most realistically saw him as a 2nd rounder, and his wrist injury is what ultimately knocked him to the 3rd. hargreaves, in terms of true skill, may be a top 5 ALL TIME prospect(emphasis on prospect), there is one knock on him, and one knock only, and that is that he isnt 2 inches taller, everyone knows he is very small, everyone also knows he may have a higher skill level than any other db that has come out probably in the last 2 decades. i can see the ramsey comparison, but the hargreaves hype is real, and i have seen you call hargreaves the jaelen strong of 2016, but i have yet to see you give any reasoning.

[Winchester]

I don't recall anyone saying he was as good as Cooper let alone better.

Many peeps were saying he could end up the better receiver or as good and ravens getting him at 26 could practically laugh all the way to the podium.

[zuilyas]

I don't mean to go off topic here but muscle doesn't weigh more than fat. A pound is a pound, whether it's fat or muscle. Muscle is just denser than fat.

I hate this particular idiom. Lol sorry to rant

Density = mass/volume. Weight = mass * gravitational acceleration. So, assuming you're still on Earth, the more mass something has, the greater the weight. The more muscle mass one has, the heavier they will be, being that muscle is denser than fat. But this all depends on the muscle/fat ratio as well.

[Cillmatic]

How the hell did this thread turn into science class?

[GrimCoconut]

nobody in the world ever said strong was anywhere near the same league as cooper.

strong was overhyped around here because people hold boldin on a pedastal like some golden god and they all saw alot of boldin in his game, which was a honest comparison, but he also was much stiffer than boldin and most realistically saw him as a 2nd rounder, and his wrist injury is what ultimately knocked him to the 3rd. hargreaves, in terms of true skill, may be a top 5 ALL TIME prospect(emphasis on prospect), there is one knock on him, and one knock only, and that is that he isnt 2 inches taller, everyone knows he is very small, everyone also knows he may have a higher skill level than any other db that has come out probably in the last 2 decades. i can see the ramsey comparison, but the hargreaves hype is real, and i have seen you call hargreaves the jaelen strong of 2016, but i have yet to see you give any reasoning.

I've probably watched more Hargreaves than any other prospect this year and I'll slightly disagree. Hargreaves has good but not great deep speed, so that's a fair concern. He's also not the biggest playmaker but he is one and can make plays so that knock is minor at best. He's also been muscled out sometimes but it's not often.

He's an excellent prospect and exceptionally proficient and clean in his technique. I think his biggest knock is his deep speed. That's the one true weakness with his game and Cooper and Ridley exposed it.

[GrimCoconut]

How the hell did this thread turn into science class?

I take blame but just do what I do and ignore it and it'll go away

[zuilyas]

I take blame but just do what I do and ignore it and it'll go away

Sorry. Couldn't help it haha

[Winchester]

nobody in the world ever said strong was anywhere near the same league as cooper. 

 

strong was overhyped around here because people hold boldin on a pedastal like some golden god and they all saw alot of boldin in his game, which was a honest comparison, but he also was much stiffer than boldin and most realistically saw him as a 2nd rounder, and his wrist injury is what ultimately knocked him to the 3rd. hargreaves, in terms of true skill, may be a top 5 ALL TIME prospect(emphasis on prospect), there is one knock on him, and one knock only, and that is that he isnt 2 inches taller, everyone knows he is very small, everyone also knows he may have a higher skill level than any other db that has come out probably in the last 2 decades. i can see the ramsey comparison, but the hargreaves hype is real, and i have seen you call hargreaves the jaelen strong of 2016, but i have yet to see you give any reasoning.

Boldin when he was young b4 injuries took his explosion could easily get open and was awesome after the catch!! The comparisons were rediculous!! He was compared to Fitzgerald as well. Young Boldin and Fitzgerald!! I say that counts as telling themselves he was as good of a prospect as Cooper. Besides being shorter than listed Hargreaves gives up catches in front of him by qbs without NFL armstrength. You can bring it up if I'm wrong here and Hargreaves shows me to be wrong. He could turn out to be a good cornerback but not a game changer. He will struggle as a rookie in my opinion. Especially if ravens draft and play him.

[JoeyFlex5]

I've probably watched more Hargreaves than any other prospect this year and I'll slightly disagree. Hargreaves has good but not great deep speed, so that's a fair concern. He's also not the biggest playmaker but he is one and can make plays so that knock is minor at best. He's also been muscled out sometimes but it's not often.

He's an excellent prospect and exceptionally proficient and clean in his technique. I think his biggest knock is his deep speed. That's the one true weakness with his game and Cooper and Ridley exposed it.

he rarely got beat by cooper on snaps where it was actually his fault though, in man coverage he got beaten on an incredible jumpball effort in which he actually got up and got his hands on the ball but just couldnt stop the catch, and other than that cooper had pedestrian stats facing hargreaves in man coverage, and this is the most nfl ready wr we have seen in a very long time. hargreaves held his own that day and the zone coverage got blown apart by cooper. 

 

ill agree though that his top end speed could be better, but i wouldnt really think its a problem when considering his excellent first step and closing speed, he wont be facing a desean jackson every week so he should be fine in that department.

[GrimCoconut]

he rarely got beat by cooper on snaps where it was actually his fault though, in man coverage he got beaten on an incredible jumpball effort in which he actually got up and got his hands on the ball but just couldnt stop the catch, and other than that cooper had pedestrian stats facing hargreaves in man coverage, and this is the most nfl ready wr we have seen in a very long time. hargreaves held his own that day and the zone coverage got blown apart by cooper.

ill agree though that his top end speed could be better, but i wouldnt really think its a problem when considering his excellent first step and closing speed, he wont be facing a desean jackson every week so he should be fine in that department.

Yeah don't get me wrong I agree. I think the concerns are blown out of proportion. I bet if we didn't have a shot at him he'd be the most over hyped prospect around. He actually played well against Cooper overall. Just a few mistakes but Cooper was a fantastic prospect in his own right.

As for the topic, I like Bosa then I think my next guy is close between Carl Lawson and Yannick Ngakoue. I do like Ogbah but he has an average jump off the ball. It's not bad but it's less Suggs than I originally thought. My opinion on him may change some depending on how he plays against Tunsil.