2016 Edge Rusher thread

[Jacquouille]

What are you guys thoughts on Kamalei Correa, and where do you see him going? He's growing on me right now.

 

[GrimCoconut]

5 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

What are you guys thoughts on Kamalei Correa, and where do you see him going? He's growing on me right now.

 

I really like him quite a bit. He's got some real potential. I wouldn't mind him at all in the third round if he's there. I think he'd fit well here. He needs quite a bit of work, though. His technique isn't that good. I think he's mostly athleticism right now.

[Jacquouille]

Just now, GrimCoconut said:

I really like him quite a bit. He's got some real potential. I wouldn't mind him at all in the third round if he's there. I think he'd fit well here. He needs quite a bit of work, though. His technique isn't that good. I think he's mostly athleticism right now.

Yeah, I completely agree, but I was also thinking that so is Noah Spence. Sure, Spence is a whole lot more athletic, but I'm still cautious about the guy, even if by luck he were to fall in the 2nd, so Correa is to me the best speed rusher that we could take if the FO judges Spence as not reliable. 3rd round would be great.

[GrimCoconut]

Just now, Jacquouille said:

Yeah, I completely agree, but I was also thinking that so is Noah Spence. Sure, Spence is a whole lot more athletic, but I'm still cautious about the guy, even if by luck he were to fall in the 2nd, so Correa is to me the best speed rusher that we could take if the FO judges Spence as not reliable. 3rd round would be great.

I like Spence better than Correa. He's more refined as a pass rusher. He needs work without question, but he's done it and rushed the passer while Correa hasn't quite put up the same sample. I think Correa could become very good pass rusher due to his skill set, but he's a pick based on potential and not production. Then again, that's why he'll likely go third or fourth round while Spence goes second round. 

Spence carriers significant risk, but I don't think he's as athletic as Correa. He's certainly a better pass rusher. 

[BmoreBird22]

The one thing I don't like with Fackrell is that he's a bit stiff and doesn't have the best change of direction, but other than that, he's pretty well rounded in coverage, run defense, and pass rush with some real room to grow as a pass rusher.

[GrimCoconut]

6 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

The one thing I don't like with Fackrell is that he's a bit stiff and doesn't have the best change of direction, but other than that, he's pretty well rounded in coverage, run defense, and pass rush with some real room to grow as a pass rusher.

I like him too. I see similar issues. I think my problem with him is he's one of those Jack of all Trades guys who may never be complete. I really like him, though. I think he'd be best as an OLB in either scheme. I don't like him much as a DE at this time.

[BmoreBird22]

3 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

I like him too. I see similar issues. I think my problem with him is he's one of those Jack of all Trades guys who may never be complete. I really like him, though. I think he'd be best as an OLB in either scheme. I don't like him much as a DE at this time.

I think I said this almost exactly in my mock draft thread...

[GrimCoconut]

10 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I think I said this almost exactly in my mock draft thread...

Maybe you did. Lol, I wouldn't be surprised. It's pretty spot-on if you did. 

[jazz1988]

I'm really starting to like Charles tapper. The guy seems like a good fit for The Ravens 

[JoeyFlex5]

13 minutes ago, jazz1988 said:

I'm really starting to like Charles tapper. The guy seems like a good fit for The Ravens 

I like him too as a late round guy. He's got a lot of work to put in but he has a nice bullrush and a great first step and he plays nasty and he seems to have a good head on his shoulders. 

He is the ideal mid round project

[RaineV1]

5 hours ago, Jacquouille said:

What are you guys thoughts on Kamalei Correa, and where do you see him going? He's growing on me right now.

 

He's not great as is, but he has a ton of potential and all the physical tools to be a really good OLB. If he can work with some good coaches and veterans, then he could become really good in a year or two. Kinda like McPhee. I'd be fine with use grabbing him since we are in a good spot to develop edge rushers.

[KBoum]

Floyd just visited the Ravens. Trade back scenario ?

[KBoum]

Just watched Ogbah tapes and Floyd tapes

 

lol you can see the difference. One is VERY bad on tape. The other is very good on tape. I don't know how they will translate in the NFL but based on tapes, I'm with Floyd all day

[Italian Raven]

On 18/3/2016 at 8:32 PM, JoeyFlex5 said:

9 hours ago, KBoum said:

Just watched Ogbah tapes and Floyd tapes

 

lol you can see the difference. One is VERY bad on tape. The other is very good on tape. I don't know how they will translate in the NFL but based on tapes, I'm with Floyd all day

Idk why it keeps quoting Joey.. I can't get rid of that.
Maybe he has to get a notification every time someone mentions Ogbah, since he loves him so much .

However, as I wrote few other times, I couldn't agree more.
Idk how PFF could rank him as the second best pass-rusher or how can experts mock him in the first or second rounds. Do they all really weight stats that much? Or is it just us being as blind af?

Coz when I hear his name there's only this kind of plays running in my mind.. no burst, tall pads, totally useless when engaged, lazy, stonewalled by TEs








Even when he records some pressure or a sack he's either unblocked or displaying 0 bending/flexibility.
If we end up drafting him on day 1 or 2 I'd be quite sad tbh.

[ALPHA]

If Ogbah is drafted as a specialist and can focus on his pinning his ears back his burst and speed to power moves are destructive, but if he plays three downs his processing speed and motor slow him down considerably thats why he can look like two different players in the same game. He's also clueless against the run, most of the time he doesn't get arm extension and gets leveraged out of his gaps and when he does get extension he stalls and doesn't track the ball carrier.

[JoeyFlex5]

Ogbah quite literally looks like Shawn oakman if he were a true edge rusher. I almost get frustrated watching NFL network and seeing mayock ranking him as the 5th edge rusher in front of correa and Calhoun.

[KBoum]

34 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Ogbah quite literally looks like Shawn oakman if he were a true edge rusher. I almost get frustrated watching NFL network and seeing mayock ranking him as the 5th edge rusher in front of correa and Calhoun.

Correa has been a pleasant surprise for me. This guy is a top-50 pick. If he ever falls to our 70th pick, man I'd be happy. If no CBs are available with the 36 picks (Alexander, WJ3, Fuller) I would like to see the Ravens trade back in the 2nd and get Cravens + Correa + Redmond in the 3rd.

[JoeyFlex5]

53 minutes ago, KBoum said:

Correa has been a pleasant surprise for me. This guy is a top-50 pick. If he ever falls to our 70th pick, man I'd be happy. If no CBs are available with the 36 picks (Alexander, WJ3, Fuller) I would like to see the Ravens trade back in the 2nd and get Cravens + Correa + Redmond in the 3rd.

Yeah I put off correa for a while because I tend to think of the Samoan players as being big and strong rather than explosive, but man is correa explosive. He has a first step like spence or maybe even better, he really explodes and relentlessly pursues. His hand work though is suspect, and it's weird because it's like he shows strong handwork at times but it's almost like it comes instinctive, like he does it subconsciously and then he forgets how to actively do it on every snap. Its weird man. Voch lombardi did a great film.study on him and made me notice this, he shows a few great swim moves and a bench press but for the most part he gets stonewalled when he engages. 

 

But to the point... I think he has a solid future, at worst he becomes a scary speed threat off the edge who is tough enough to not get washed out even if he gets stonewalled. People compare bosa to mcphee for some reason but I see a lot of mcphee in correa even if he's smaller.

[ALPHA]

So I watched the shrine game for Victor Ochi and James Cowser and was fairly surprised. 

- Victor Ochi is very similar to James Harrison with the same leverage and rip move. Has a lot of power in his game too.

- James Cowser broke the FCS sack record set by Jared Allen but this game is the only real tape I've seen, his physical talent is average, fast but not a power player. His best traits are instincts and awareness, he protects his gap and makes fast reads.

- DL David Onyamata, never heard of him before but he stood out. Physically he looks like a Nkemdichi clone with an identical build and similar movement skills, he lined up at DT and RE and noone could handle his speed and power.

OLB Tyrone Holmes, another guy I've never seen before who stood out by constantly abusing his tackle. Incredible get off and lots of power flattening the curve. 6'4" 250 but looks and plays bigger.

Edited April 12, 2016 by ALPHA

[dpatrickguy]

25 minutes ago, ALPHA said:

So I watched the shrine game for Victor Ochi and James Cowser and was fairly surprised. 

- Victor Ochi is very similar to James Harrison with the same leverage and rip move. Has a lot of power in his game too.

- James Cowser broke the FCS sack record set by Jared Allen but this game is the only real tape I've seen, his physical talent is average, fast but not a power player. His best traits are instincts and awareness, he protects his gap and makes fast reads.

- DL David Onyamata, never heard of him before but he stood out. Physically he looks like a Nkemdichi clone with an identical build and similar movement skills, he lined up at DT and RE and noone could handle his speed and power.

OLB Tyrone Holmes, another guy I've never seen before who stood out by constantly abusing his tackle. Incredible get off and lots of power flattening the curve. 6'4" 250 but looks and plays bigger.

I like this guy a lot. Glad he's getting buzz.

[GrimCoconut]

I really like Cowser. He's got some really nice upside. I'm also a fan of Ochi and Holmes. This isn't a great pass rusher class but there's some mid round guys who may become great players. 

[ALPHA]

19 hours ago, dpatrickguy said:

I like this guy a lot. Glad he's getting buzz.

Too many guys sit and read, he converts speed to power with urgency and it shows.

15 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

I really like Cowser. He's got some really nice upside. I'm also a fan of Ochi and Holmes. This isn't a great pass rusher class but there's some mid round guys who may become great players. 

Cowser could benefit from more power and coaching on his counter, but the instincts and hustle are there.

Interestingly Holmes and Oyamata are the only two players our scouts met with after the game.

[Jacquouille]

So today I started watching tape of Curt Magitt, and I was very impressed. He's raw in his technique but he's got raven written all over him. Unreal motor, great burst off the snap, good vision, and apparently a high charactered guy, "heart and soul" of the defense from what they were saying.

[JoeyFlex5]

4 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

So today I started watching tape of Curt Magitt, and I was very impressed. He's raw in his technique but he's got raven written all over him. Unreal motor, great burst off the snap, good vision, and apparently a high charactered guy, "heart and soul" of the defense from what they were saying.

He looks about as sharp as a marble though. He is blind as a bat. If he had any clue what he was doing he would be a 2nd round prospect. I cringe at his tape when he has the space to pursue and make a clean tackle but instead decided to ram his face into a blocker and take himself out of the play lol. Technique can be taught but vision can't and I dont think he has vision 

[allblackraven]

As of right now, my preference would be:

1] Spence in 1st (trade back)
2] Tyrone Holmes in 3rd
3] Emmanuel Ogbah in 2nd

[RaineV1]

I'm still hoping the Ravens trade down for Lawson or Dodd. Both would have an instant impact and be great edge rushers in the Ravens' hybrid defense, and a trade down to the teens could net us a future 1st round pick.

Edited April 17, 2016 by RaineV1

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, RaineV1 said:

I'm still hoping the Ravens trade down for Lawson or Dodd. Both would have an instant impact and be great edge rushers in the Ravens' hybrid defense, and a trade down to the teens could net us a future 1st round pick.

thats my top preference too. i LOVE dodd for this team and i think 5 years from now he'll be the top pass rusher from this class, possibly an all pro type of guy. i know hes raw but he has shown zero indication that he wont develop, hes got the passion and unlike other large athletic freaks like ogbah, he isnt stiff and clueless when engaged

[RaineV1]

38 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

thats my top preference too. i LOVE dodd for this team and i think 5 years from now he'll be the top pass rusher from this class, possibly an all pro type of guy. i know hes raw but he has shown zero indication that he wont develop, hes got the passion and unlike other large athletic freaks like ogbah, he isnt stiff and clueless when engaged

Not to mention that he'll be able to learn a lot from Doom and Suggs. I think the Ravens are probably the team that would give him the best chance of reaching his potential since everything is in place to help a raw edge rusher develop.

[JoeyFlex5]

24 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

Not to mention that he'll be able to learn a lot from Doom and Suggs. I think the Ravens are probably the team that would give him the best chance of reaching his potential since everything is in place to help a raw edge rusher develop.

yup, we have 2 wiley veterans who are now at the stage where theyll need to be rotated to catch a breather, theyre glad to teach young players, and theyll both be outta here within 2-3 years so he can come along at his own pace, keep his confidence, and explode onto the scene when his time comes. 

 

i prefer dodd over bosa, i prefer the value of trading back for him as well.

[Edgar]

On 4/17/2016 at 2:32 AM, RaineV1 said:

I'm still hoping the Ravens trade down for Lawson or Dodd. Both would have an instant impact and be great edge rushers in the Ravens' hybrid defense, and a trade down to the teens could net us a future 1st round pick.

Trade down for Shaq then back in for Dodd.