2016 Edge Rusher thread

[Winchester]

8 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

Interesting question since a lot of these guys are in the same boat. 

I like my edge players (OLB/DE) to be around 6-3 with good arm length, good 3-cone drills, and a nice 10-yard time. I don't put a lot of personal emphasis into the Combine, but those  are numbers that speak to me. Correa has the height but he has short arms, a great 40, nice explosion, but needs refinement. Nassib is a bit tall for me so he may play tall (which he does), is a bit raw, and didn't impress at the Combine for me but he wasn't bad but he does have the production and the arm length I like. Schobert has decent athleticism but doesn't have good arm length and isn't very tall but is good in coverage and I see him best as an ILB. Kaufusi may be limited in the NFL but I do like his measurables exception his height. Dadi Nicolas would be my favorite but he's just so light. I wish he wasn't so light but he is and I am always concerned about my edge defenders being light. He'll need to gain about 20lbs to be an effective edge defender. That's no small feat. I love Ngakoue but he has issues as well, partially being limited athleticism but he's also got problems with his technique as a pass rusher, although he is from Maryland so I'll give him a break there. Fackrell is probably my favorite of this group and my top guy because of his ability to explode off the ball and his coverage skills combined with his measurables. I like Kevin Dodd better than them all, but I think quite a few of these guys on this list end up in the 4th round-ish so we can get one of them there and double-dip. 

As for Ronald Blair, I don't like him that much at all over those other guys and would go with McCallister over him. I like McCallister quite a bit. 

As for order...

1. Fackrell
2. Nassib
3. Ngakoue
4. Correa
5. Nicolas
6. Kaufusi
7. Schobert
8. McCallister
9. Blair

Damn Grim you are the man!! Awesome how you got a handle on all those players!! I see you have Fackrell at top. What do you see in him?? I ask cuz I like him to. Would be interesting to see him with 20 LBs of fast twitch muscle on him. Actually I would just roid him up and have a good PT to oversee his workouts,nutrition and muscle he is putting on over that course. To be surevit is distributed properly. And throw him out there and unleash him at QBs at 265lbs muscle lol

[Batcerb]

James COWSER might be worth a look too

[GrimCoconut]

8 hours ago, Winchester said:

Damn Grim you are the man!! Awesome how you got a handle on all those players!! I see you have Fackrell at top. What do you see in him?? I ask cuz I like him to. Would be interesting to see him with 20 LBs of fast twitch muscle on him. Actually I would just roid him up and have a good PT to oversee his workouts,nutrition and muscle he is putting on over that course. To be surevit is distributed properly. And throw him out there and unleash him at QBs at 265lbs muscle lol

He'll need to add some weight but I don't think he'll need to add a lot. He's at a decent weight right now and I think he's got the frame to add more unlike a guy like Nicolas. Fackrell is on the other side but he needs more upper body weight imo. His legs and stance and explosion off the ball are great and he closes quickly, which I find vital. I think we could get Fackrell in the middle of the second to our third round pick. 

I like Dodd better and if Dodd is there in the second we should take him; however, I don't think he will be. 

[Winchester]

1 hour ago, GrimCoconut said:

He'll need to add some weight but I don't think he'll need to add a lot. He's at a decent weight right now and I think he's got the frame to add more unlike a guy like Nicolas. Fackrell is on the other side but he needs more upper body weight imo. His legs and stance and explosion off the ball are great and he closes quickly, which I find vital. I think we could get Fackrell in the middle of the second to our third round pick. 

I like Dodd better and if Dodd is there in the second we should take him; however, I don't think he will be. 

Explosion and closing skill is exactly what I like about him. My opinion 20 LBs of muscle in his upper body would look good. 20 LBs sounds extreme but when you are 6'5 it really is not. Would be nice to get him in round3 and begin putting muscle on him. He plays a little faster than that of his 4.75 or whatever. Smart dude hard worker and at 265 he would be what Cody was supposed to in 2005 and an all time ravens great Linebacker!! I like Dodd as well but there is not a chance in he\\ he is there in round2.lol I like  Deion Jones as an ilb. Actually as much as Myles Jack call me crazy as crazy as that may sound!! 

Edited March 7, 2016 by Winchester
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[GrimCoconut]

30 minutes ago, Winchester said:

Explosion and closing skill is exactly what I like about him. My opinion 20 LBs of muscle in his upper body would look good. 20 LBs sounds extreme but when you are 6'5 it really is not. Would be nice to get him in round3 and begin putting muscle on him. He plays a little faster than that of his 4.75 or whatever. Smart dude hard worker and at 265 he would be what Cody was supposed to in 2005 and an all time ravens great Linebacker!! I like Dodd as well but there is not a chance in he\\ he is there in round2.lol I like  Deion Jones as an ilb. Actually as much as Myles Jack call me crazy as crazy as that may sound!! 

I don't care about 40-yard dashes with OLB/DE players. I look at that metric more with skill players, specifically WR & CB, S & TE, and even LB, but not DL, OL, QB, or even RB. I think Fackrell has plenty of quick feet to get to the QB in a hurry, but his hands need work but that's kinda expected coming from Utah State. 

Yeah, I doubt Dodd falls to the 2nd. He'll probably be a top-15 pick. I think you're a bit crazy to like Jones as much as Jack, lol, but go ahead with that. I do like Jones, though. 

[Edgar]

I wonder if Leonard Floyd could add fifteen pounds.

i think he would just as explosive. There are only a few guys in this class   who can get the edge AND collapse the pocket and he is one of them

[Edgar]

anyone starting to think Noah Spence will be available round two?

[GrimCoconut]

1 hour ago, Edgar said:

anyone starting to think Noah Spence will be available round two?

Yes.

[Jacquouille]

1 hour ago, Edgar said:

anyone starting to think Noah Spence will be available round two?

Possible. The fact that no GM or coach went to his pro day is serious. But I think a team in the back end of the first would be willing to take him, so a trade up would be wiser if you want him.

[Clmraven]

2 hours ago, Edgar said:

anyone starting to think Noah Spence will be available round two?

I think it definitely possible, if he's there I'd hope we'd take him.

[KBoum]

I'm not a big fan of Spence in the 1st round. But in the 2nd round I'd take him. He's a one trick pony but he's really good at it.

But if the Ravens draft him, with the poor showing he had in the interviews at the combine, I'd hope they mentor him A LOT. I don't know make him live with a strong veteran for the first year or something so he doenst get in trouble. He Has ALL the TOOLS but man he can be stupid sometimes. Don't need another Kindle 2.0

[KBoum]

Ogbah or Floyd ?

 

Floyd added 15 lbs at the combine and was blazing fast. But Ogbah is bigger and could filled Sizzle spot a bit more. Floyd is more Dooms spot. I'm starting to belieev 1 of the 2 might be available at the top of the 2nd round along with Spence

[xxDarby]

8 minutes ago, KBoum said:

Ogbah or Floyd ?

 

Floyd added 15 lbs at the combine and was blazing fast. But Ogbah is bigger and could filled Sizzle spot a bit more. Floyd is more Dooms spot. I'm starting to belieev 1 of the 2 might be available at the top of the 2nd round along with Spence

Floyd no question

[Boddiebroadus]

8 minutes ago, KBoum said:

Ogbah or Floyd ?

 

Floyd added 15 lbs at the combine and was blazing fast. But Ogbah is bigger and could filled Sizzle spot a bit more. Floyd is more Dooms spot. I'm starting to belieev 1 of the 2 might be available at the top of the 2nd round along with Spence

I gotta go with Floyd. His tape is a 1000 times better than ogbah. He might not have the stats but that's because Georgia played him at ILB a lot. 

[RavensDieHard21]

On March 8, 2016 at 11:10 PM, Edgar said:

I wonder if Leonard Floyd could add fifteen pounds.

i think he would just as explosive. There are only a few guys in this class   who can get the edge AND collapse the pocket and he is one of them

I think by the next offseason he could. A lot of players try to bulk up quick for the NFL and just end up gaining fat and lose some explosiveness. He has a very thin frame, but with more strength training and time, I could see him reaching 255 by the season opener. At his pro day he already weighed 248 and is closing in on an ideal frame. His explosiveness is unreal, but he has to gain strength and learn a few more tricks to get into the backfield.

[RavensDieHard21]

On March 10, 2016 at 7:04 AM, Edgar said:

anyone starting to think Noah Spence will be available round two?

If he sneaks past the Steelers yes, but we would need to jump Jacksonville to get him I feel. 

[GrimCoconut]

I like Noah Spence and I would draft him because he seems like he's turned a new leaf, but I have to start agreeing with people who say we won't touch him. After what happened with Will Hill and his failed drug test, I'm not sure the team will risk spending what's almost a first round pick on an OLB who could have this issue return. I think we have too many key needs on this team to risk such a move. Unless we have investigative services akin to what we got at NSA with SIGINT analysts intercepting telephone communications while HUMINT interrogates, I don't see us taking Spence and I'm sad about it. 

[Edgar]

1 hour ago, GrimCoconut said:

I like Noah Spence and I would draft him because he seems like he's turned a new leaf, but I have to start agreeing with people who say we won't touch him. After what happened with Will Hill and his failed drug test, I'm not sure the team will risk spending what's almost a first round pick on an OLB who could have this issue return. I think we have too many key needs on this team to risk such a move. Unless we have investigative services akin to what we got at NSA with SIGINT analysts intercepting telephone communications while HUMINT interrogates, I don't see us taking Spence and I'm sad about it. 

I have that sense as well. Someone will take a chance on him however and if he's sitting there in round two it would be difficult to pass on him. He makes me nervous and he falls that far it'll be because he makes a lot of people nervous.

i think it's likely Bosa(and Ezekiel Elliot)wasinto the same stuff. He just wasn't caught. Reports are coming out that he was suspended at Ohio state for refusing to take a test. 

To me,something smells funny about Bosa. I'm not saying I think he is actively using or that he'll mess up. He does come off as entitled and a 'me first" guy and I'd be inclined to take Buckner instead.

 

1 hour ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

If he sneaks past the Steelers yes, but we would need to jump Jacksonville to get him I feel. 

Seattle I think of as a possibility.

[Winchester]

1 hour ago, GrimCoconut said:

I like Noah Spence and I would draft him because he seems like he's turned a new leaf, but I have to start agreeing with people who say we won't touch him. After what happened with Will Hill and his failed drug test, I'm not sure the team will risk spending what's almost a first round pick on an OLB who could have this issue return. I think we have too many key needs on this team to risk such a move. Unless we have investigative services akin to what we got at NSA with SIGINT analysts intercepting telephone communications while HUMINT interrogates, I don't see us taking Spence and I'm sad about it. 

Would be nice to trade Dumervil for a draft pick ammo then move around the board to draft Nkemdiche and Spence. Ravens rush goes from sad to dynamic in one draft

[allblackraven]

2 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

If he sneaks past the Steelers yes, but we would need to jump Jacksonville to get him I feel. 

They might think twice as well after Bryant debacle.

 

13 minutes ago, Edgar said:

Seattle I think of as a possibility.

I don't see him as a good fit for Seahawks.

[RavensDieHard21]

11 hours ago, Winchester said:

Would be nice to trade Dumervil for a draft pick ammo then move around the board to draft Nkemdiche and Spence. Ravens rush goes from sad to dynamic in one draft

Even though Dumervil is still playing at a high level, he will be 32 this season and teams won't pay more than a 4th rounder for him, hardly worth a trade and it's not like he is ineffective or overly expensive. 

[Davesta]

Everyone saying Leonard flyod could / should put on more weight, wasn't that one of the knock on Arthur brown? And he just couldn't do it? Will that scare any of y'all flyod supporters? 

[Jacquouille]

6 minutes ago, Davesta said:

Everyone saying Leonard flyod could / should put on more weight, wasn't that one of the knock on Arthur brown? And he just couldn't do it? Will that scare any of y'all flyod supporters? 

I'll still take him over Ogbah if he doesn't gain weight. Floyd is top5 in terms of impressive tape.

[KBoum]

34 minutes ago, Davesta said:

Everyone saying Leonard flyod could / should put on more weight, wasn't that one of the knock on Arthur brown? And he just couldn't do it? Will that scare any of y'all flyod supporters? 

 

he gained like 15 lbs before the combine and was as fast.

[RaineV1]

1 hour ago, Davesta said:

Everyone saying Leonard flyod could / should put on more weight, wasn't that one of the knock on Arthur brown? And he just couldn't do it? Will that scare any of y'all flyod supporters? 

Floyd already gained enough weight to play the position before the combine. While it's smaller than most Ravens OLBs, 245 is okay for an edge rusher. Another ten pounds would be great, but not fully needed.

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, Davesta said:

Everyone saying Leonard flyod could / should put on more weight, wasn't that one of the knock on Arthur brown? And he just couldn't do it? Will that scare any of y'all flyod supporters? 

Floyd is a much better player than Brown was. Offers a more useful and also more diverse skill set. He was used as a traditional linebacker this year and he was every bit as good as Brown who was a career linebacker, and looked better in coverage. Obviously not to mention he is a stud edge rusher and Brown never showed any prowess there.

[ravensdan]

21 hours ago, Boddiebroadus said:

I gotta go with Floyd. His tape is a 1000 times better than ogbah. He might not have the stats but that's because Georgia played him at ILB a lot. 

So legit question I have for Floyd. Clearly Georgia moved him there for a reason... Are you drafting an edge guy or is he more akin to like an Ogletree in the league. Where do people see him best?

[ALPHA]

27 minutes ago, ravensdan said:

So legit question I have for Floyd. Clearly Georgia moved him there for a reason... Are you drafting an edge guy or is he more akin to like an Ogletree in the league. Where do people see him best?

He's difficult to place because he's not a 3 down player in our system, strongside on passing downs or weakside when Suggs retires. He's not a flow linebacker and he can't cover he's a rush specialist.

Edited March 17, 2016 by ALPHA

[L.A.Ravens]

Leonard Floyd reminds me a lot of Aldon Smith minus the off field stupidity.

[GrimCoconut]

I love Floyd's speed and I never like the idea of using fit as an excuse against someone, but I just don't know if I like him here. I try to not get caught up on the details but I don't know many if any successful edge defenders that have such a height-weight combination. I'll support Floyd if we draft him because I trust the Ravens; however, Calhoun posted a very good 3-cone drill and he is plenty fast. I may have been wrong about Calhoun more than others, but we'll see. I think I was perhaps a bit too hard on him and his first step and perhaps didn't evaluate him enough. After watching him a bit more, I owe that guy (whoever said he had a good first step) an apology because Calhoun is a better, faster athlete than I originally believed. 

I'd prefer Calhoun to Floyd, personally. Not just scheme fit but as a whole, I like him [Calhoun] better. I just don't like my edge defenders taller than 6-3 unless they have the height-weight combination. Bosa is a bit of an exception but he tests very well athletically and he has much better height-weight combo.