2016 Edge Rusher thread

[rmw10]

1 minute ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Ngata wasn't that highly touted coming out and went 12th overall. There were concerns about his motor and work ethic, and if the ravens didn't take him he quite possibly could have fell quite a bit more.

???

Ngata was very highly regarded as one of the best players in that draft.

[52520Andrew]

2 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Ngata wasn't that highly touted coming out and went 12th overall. There were concerns about his motor and work ethic, and if the ravens didn't take him he quite possibly could have fell quite a bit more.

Yeah that doesn't mean he wasn't talented. Nkemdiche is probably falling as well. How far did Randy Moss fall again?

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, rmw10 said:

???

Ngata was very highly regarded as one of the best players in that draft.

doesnt mean he didnt have concerns that were causing him to fall.. which he did.

 

Also if we're comparing ngata to buckner as prospects, well Buckner is also regarded as one of the best players in the draft. 

Edited February 3, 2016 by JoeyFlex5

[PurpleCity5]

2 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

There have been huge surprises before, but I don't know if anything would surprise me more than the tackle needy chargers passing on the best LT prospect since Walter Jones( and probably a better prospect than him as well)

I wouldn't do it either but at No.3 there are so many ways you can go. Like I said I doubt they would pass on him, but I don't think its a forgone conclusion they would automatically take him, though I would absolutely not bet money on it. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

What are the chances that Spence slides to the back of the 1st round or early 2nd?

my gosh if we could land him with our 2nd pick or trade back into the 1st and get him I would be ecstatic. 

The more I watch the more I'm convinced he's going to be a dominant pass rusher in the NFL. His burst is insane and bends so well. He needs to learn some counter moves but that can be done, and I think his burst is THAT good where he doesn't need that much of an arsenal bc he'll win off the edge so often. 

Id id be ok with taking him at 6, but if we could get Ramsey or Bosa at 6 and Spence later I think we walk with our best 1/2 haul since Ogden Lewis. 

[JoeyFlex5]

5 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

What are the chances that Spence slides to the back of the 1st round or early 2nd?

my gosh if we could land him with our 2nd pick or trade back into the 1st and get him I would be ecstatic. 

The more I watch the more I'm convinced he's going to be a dominant pass rusher in the NFL. His burst is insane and bends so well. He needs to learn some counter moves but that can be done, and I think his burst is THAT good where he doesn't need that much of an arsenal bc he'll win off the edge so often. 

Id id be ok with taking him at 6, but if we could get Ramsey or Bosa at 6 and Spence later I think we walk with our best 1/2 haul since Ogden Lewis. 

i dont see him falling to 6. 

 

one team im almost certain who wouldnt pass on him are the bengals, they need to retool their DL in any way and get it ready for the upcoming mass exodus on their roster(good rosters only stick together so long before free agency kills them) and they have never once batted an eye at character concerns. to be honest though i think he goes long before the bengals are on the clock, im thinking the jets are a very realistic landing spot

[PurpleCity5]

On the topic of Noah Spence, I don't know how comparable this is but Janoris Jenkins was a guy who was sense as a first rounder, until his days at Florida came to an end and he was kicked out forced to go to North Alabama for his senior year and dropped to the second round. Sometimes you don't know where these guys will go, GMs will feel the pressure on draft day not to mess up their first pick. Spence can honestly fall to the 2nd round. 

[jazz1988]

On 2/2/2016 at 4:59 PM, JoeyFlex5 said:

There have been huge surprises before, but I don't know if anything would surprise me more than the tackle needy chargers passing on the best LT prospect since Walter Jones( and probably a better prospect than him as well)

 

I thought their tackle situation was good with King Dunlap and Joe Barkdale. I know Barkdale is a free agent but I thought Dunlap was a solid left tackle for them but it doesn't hurt to have a young replacement. From what I been reading it seems like a pass rusher is strong need for them but anything can change.

[Jacquouille]

Just saw a mock having Sheldon Rankins in the top 10, haven't seen any of him, opinions?

[HoldingCall]

Here is a good refresher going into the draft. Be careful forming opinions following what some scouts may say.

 

Edited February 5, 2016 by HoldingCall

[Jacquouille]

@HoldingCall damn that was funny

[ALPHA]

I'm convinced Dodd will become the best pass rusher in this class. I think he has the best all round game and projects the best against NFL caliber tackles, especially with one or two offseasons in the weightroom.

[Jacquouille]

51 minutes ago, ALPHA said:

I'm convinced Dodd will become the best pass rusher in this class. I think he has the best all round game and projects the best against NFL caliber tackles, especially with one or two offseasons in the weightroom.

But can he translate from DE to OLB? And where do you see him fall?

[RavensFanMania]

On 2/3/2016 at 2:03 AM, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

What are the chances that Spence slides to the back of the 1st round or early 2nd?

my gosh if we could land him with our 2nd pick or trade back into the 1st and get him I would be ecstatic. 

The more I watch the more I'm convinced he's going to be a dominant pass rusher in the NFL. His burst is insane and bends so well. He needs to learn some counter moves but that can be done, and I think his burst is THAT good where he doesn't need that much of an arsenal bc he'll win off the edge so often. 

Id id be ok with taking him at 6, but if we could get Ramsey or Bosa at 6 and Spence later I think we walk with our best 1/2 haul since Ogden Lewis. 

 

On 2/3/2016 at 7:59 AM, JoeyFlex5 said:

i dont see him falling to 6. 

 

one team im almost certain who wouldnt pass on him are the bengals, they need to retool their DL in any way and get it ready for the upcoming mass exodus on their roster(good rosters only stick together so long before free agency kills them) and they have never once batted an eye at character concerns. to be honest though i think he goes long before the bengals are on the clock, im thinking the jets are a very realistic landing spot

I'm starting to wonder if Ozzie will consider taking him at 6, if we can't trade back with Spence as our target.  I agree he has an insane burst.  That first step is absolutely incredible with a very nice dip.  What he needs to improve on after watching more of his tape is that he needs to play with heavier hands and be much better at converting speed into power.  Left and Right tackles in the NFL adjust to power, but when and if he can play with both power and speed, he could be unstoppable.  Maybe Von Miller light.

[ALPHA]

57 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

But can he translate from DE to OLB? And where do you see him fall?

Most OLB's are converted ends with limited experience playing in space, with that said he is on the taller end but I wouldn't rule it out. However with sub packages and considering our current personnel and DL coach I could see us playing around with different fronts maybe a 4-3 under base.

[DomMcRaven]

So....what do you guys think about Bronson Kaufusi since there's been an article about him?

[JoeyFlex5]

19 minutes ago, DomMcRaven said:

So....what do you guys think about Bronson Kaufusi since there's been an article about him?

I think he's another margus hunt. Freakish length, decent enough burst, but is stupidly tall and only tries to play with power but he does it upright and he just doesn't look like a NFL DE to me

[Somerset Ravens]

17 minutes ago, DomMcRaven said:

So....what do you guys think about Bronson Kaufusi since there's been an article about him?

Kaufusi would be a good pick in the second half of round two or later. We could use a defensive end who can rush the passer. Buckner would be a solid first round pick for us.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

9 hours ago, RavensFanMania said:

 

I'm starting to wonder if Ozzie will consider taking him at 6, if we can't trade back with Spence as our target.  I agree he has an insane burst.  That first step is absolutely incredible with a very nice dip.  What he needs to improve on after watching more of his tape is that he needs to play with heavier hands and be much better at converting speed into power.  Left and Right tackles in the NFL adjust to power, but when and if he can play with both power and speed, he could be unstoppable.  Maybe Von Miller light.

Spot on. Exactly how I see it. 

Like i I said I wouldn't be disappointed at all if we stay put and take him at 6, but I'm becoming increasingly convinced that the top 4 taken will be Tunsil, QB, Stanley, QB.

so we could have 2 of Bosa, Buckner and Ramsey on the board. Spence is certainly rising but I don't know if I could take him over Bosa or Ramsey. 

[January J]

They make that guy Bronson sound pretty intriguing in that article but In reality i don't think he has a very high ceiling and there are several better options

[RaineV1]

I really don't think Stanley goes that high. I think Ramsey, Bosa, Myles Jack, and a few others have a better chance of going before the Ravens pick than Stanley does.

[balfan23]

3 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

I really don't think Stanley goes that high. I think Ramsey, Bosa, Myles Jack, and a few others have a better chance of going before the Ravens pick than Stanley does.

I'm surprised by the number of mocks that have us taking Stanley. I will be stunned if we go that route. I'd say there's an 80% chance we go defense with that first pick. 

[RaineV1]

6 minutes ago, balfan23 said:

I'm surprised by the number of mocks that have us taking Stanley. I will be stunned if we go that route. I'd say there's an 80% chance we go defense with that first pick. 

Stanley wouldn't be a bad tradeback option, but yeah, the top players that'll be available at 6 are all defensive players. Spence, VH3, Myles Jack, Jaylon Smith, Alexander, Ramsey, Buckner, Shaq Lawson would all probably be better picks at 6 than Stanley.

[gabefergy]

A few thoughts on the edge rushers in this class:

- Not great in terms of traditional OLB type. Spence is the only top guy that fits the mold. Maybe Calhoun later.

- Bosa is a special talent, and if he is there at #6 he has to be the pick. I'd strongly consider trading up if he falls outside of the top 3.

- Shaq Lawson is good, but even more of a stretch to play OLB than Bosa. Similar feelings about Dodd.

- Not a big fan of Ogbah. Flashes impressive traits, but too inconsistent. Needs a lot of work.

- Starting to come around to Calhoun as a nice 2nd round option. Some questions regarding anchor vs the run and ability to convert speed to power. Good bend

- Not an "edge" rusher, but I would take Buckner at #6. Great anchor against the run. Not explosive, but uses length exceptionally well. Overpowering at times.

- Nkemdiche is one of the best athletes I have ever watched play on the DL. Obvious character concerns and needs a lot of technical refinement, but when he is clicking he is borderline unblockable. 

[RaineV1]

I think Lawson could pull of the switch to 3-4 OLB, like Suggs did. He isn't going to help much in coverage, but could be used like Doom, though he'd be better at stopping the run. On obvious passing downs he could be moved in to DE to let him and Doom play on the same side.

[JoeyFlex5]

2 hours ago, gabefergy said:

A few thoughts on the edge rushers in this class:

- Not great in terms of traditional OLB type. Spence is the only top guy that fits the mold. Maybe Calhoun later.

- Bosa is a special talent, and if he is there at #6 he has to be the pick. I'd strongly consider trading up if he falls outside of the top 3.

- Shaq Lawson is good, but even more of a stretch to play OLB than Bosa. Similar feelings about Dodd.

- Not a big fan of Ogbah. Flashes impressive traits, but too inconsistent. Needs a lot of work.

- Starting to come around to Calhoun as a nice 2nd round option. Some questions regarding anchor vs the run and ability to convert speed to power. Good bend

- Not an "edge" rusher, but I would take Buckner at #6. Great anchor against the run. Not explosive, but uses length exceptionally well. Overpowering at times.

- Nkemdiche is one of the best athletes I have ever watched play on the DL. Obvious character concerns and needs a lot of technical refinement, but when he is clicking he is borderline unblockable. 

I agree on all fronts but I think nkemdiche has more than just technique issues. His awareness and vision is really horrible. I think he is gonna really frustrate his fans when they see him busting through the line over and over but leaving running lanes wide open and Missing tackles because he can't find the ball carrier. He will create mismatch problems but still be a liability

[allblackraven]

2 hours ago, gabefergy said:

A few thoughts on the edge rushers in this class:

- Not great in terms of traditional OLB type. Spence is the only top guy that fits the mold. Maybe Calhoun later.

- Bosa is a special talent, and if he is there at #6 he has to be the pick. I'd strongly consider trading up if he falls outside of the top 3.

- Shaq Lawson is good, but even more of a stretch to play OLB than Bosa. Similar feelings about Dodd.

- Not a big fan of Ogbah. Flashes impressive traits, but too inconsistent. Needs a lot of work.

- Starting to come around to Calhoun as a nice 2nd round option. Some questions regarding anchor vs the run and ability to convert speed to power. Good bend

- Not an "edge" rusher, but I would take Buckner at #6. Great anchor against the run. Not explosive, but uses length exceptionally well. Overpowering at times.

- Nkemdiche is one of the best athletes I have ever watched play on the DL. Obvious character concerns and needs a lot of technical refinement, but when he is clicking he is borderline unblockable. 

That's pretty much how I view this class, too. I figure we might double-dip here, taking one of these guys early and then seriously consider Ngakoue and Dadi Nicholas in mid rounds.

[Maryland]

16 hours ago, RavensFanMania said:

 

I'm starting to wonder if Ozzie will consider taking him at 6, if we can't trade back with Spence as our target.  I agree he has an insane burst.  That first step is absolutely incredible with a very nice dip.  What he needs to improve on after watching more of his tape is that he needs to play with heavier hands and be much better at converting speed into power.  Left and Right tackles in the NFL adjust to power, but when and if he can play with both power and speed, he could be unstoppable.  Maybe Von Miller light.

I am pretty excited about Spence as well. I think he comes off the board early, considering his talent at an important position, and considering a lot of teams weigh drug history as a lesser concern compared to other issues (mainly violent issues). Ravens seem to be one of those teams who don't mind drafting or signing someone with a drug history. Frankly, drug concerns are not issues fans care about very much; teams don't receive much public scorn for drafting or keeping players who do marijuana, or ecstasy in this case (I don't recall Welker catching any flack for doing the same drug). As long as they think it's behind him (meaning he won't miss games), I think he will be drafted high (no pun intended!). edit: I do not mean to imply that this issue will not hurt him, simply that it is overstated if anyone thinks he will fall a lot, like all the way to the 2nd round.

Loved watching him at the senior bowl. Like many, that was my first real look at him, and he looked fast, explosive. He looks like a good 3-4 OLB, and I am not too concerned about his switch from DE. Pees doesn't really drop rush-LBs into coverage very often anyway. I wonder how he will hold up vs the run. 

Edited February 6, 2016 by Maryland

[January J]

I've really come around to the idea of taking spence at 6. Not only would I be comfortable with it- I think it's a pretty good possibility if Ramsey or Tunsil isn't there.

[RavensFanMania]

7 hours ago, Maryland said:

I am pretty excited about Spence as well. I think he comes off the board early, considering his talent at an important position, and considering a lot of teams weigh drug history as a lesser concern compared to other issues (mainly violent issues). Ravens seem to be one of those teams who don't mind drafting or signing someone with a drug history. Frankly, drug concerns are not issues fans care about very much; teams don't receive much public scorn for drafting or keeping players who do marijuana, or ecstasy in this case (I don't recall Welker catching any flack for doing the same drug). As long as they think it's behind him (meaning he won't miss games), I think he will be drafted high (no pun intended!). edit: I do not mean to imply that this issue will not hurt him, simply that it is overstated if anyone thinks he will fall a lot, like all the way to the 2nd round.

Loved watching him at the senior bowl. Like many, that was my first real look at him, and he looked fast, explosive. He looks like a good 3-4 OLB, and I am not too concerned about his switch from DE. Pees doesn't really drop rush-LBs into coverage very often anyway. I wonder how he will hold up vs the run. 

I am one that does have a bit of concern.  He has an awesome first step, high motor, great bend, but teams will be able to adjust to that, considering he can't or hasn't learned yet how to convert speed to power.  At this point, I'm not interested in him at number 6.  I have no issues trading back and taking him, but definitely not at 6.