2016 Edge Rusher thread

[JoeyFlex5]

Somehow there wasn't a thread on this Already..

[allblackraven]

If pick #6 remains ours, I'd be (very) happy with Ngakoue in 2nd.

 

He is pretty good though, second half of first round may not be out of question.

Edited December 29, 2015 by allblackraven

[PurpleSnowman]

If we win our next game, I would not mind Leonard Floyd at 10. He is a good athlete with pass rush skills, he may be a bit undersized, but he will have the chance to gain some weight in the NFL.

 

I wouldn't mind Calhoun in the second either, although I would prefer Ngakoue. 

Edited December 29, 2015 by PurpleSnowman

[Cillmatic]

The LB thread was suppose to cover edge rushers too.

[JoeyFlex5]

The LB thread was suppose to cover edge rushers too.

but linebacker and edge rusher arent the same thing. myles jack and emmanuel ogbah dont really belong in the same conversation.

[JoeyFlex5]

If we win our next game, I would not mind Leonard Floyd at 10. He is a good athlete with pass rush skills, he may be a bit undersized, but he will have the chance to gain some weight in the NFL.

 

I wouldn't mind Calhoun in the second either, although I would prefer Ngakoue. 

i personally hate calhoun, and i loved floyd at first, and then began to sour on him, but the more i watch on him and the further we fall down the boards, the more he appeals to me. 

 

this defense is in desperate need of 2 things, leadership and speed, floyd brings an explosive element to our front seven that this team has never seen, as good as the ravens defense has been, we have never had a speed rusher as explosive as leonard floyd, and with our front seven being as stout as it is, all it takes is 1 or 2 explosive pass rushers to tilt the scales, if were in the 8-12 range i would be ecstatic with him. and as far as leadership goes, the guy is a natural football player, he may be skinny but he has the right head for the game, and he plays with a very high intensity and swagger, he may not be a "leader" but he will bring some energy to field for sure. im back on his wagon, actually more than ogbah, i think he has the higher ceiling if he is placed on a team with a strong DL

[Clmraven]

If we win our next game, I would not mind Leonard Floyd at 10. He is a good athlete with pass rush skills, he may be a bit undersized, but he will have the chance to gain some weight in the NFL.

 

I wouldn't mind Calhoun in the second either, although I would prefer Ngakoue.

I just got around to watching some film on Floyd he's definitely an athlete and would add some much needed speed to the defense, but I'm not sold on him as a top ten pick yet I mean he is thin, like thinner than most wide receivers, if he can add 25+ pounds by the combine and keep his burst like Vic Beasley did then I might consider him in the mid 20s of the first round. He's looks like a natural pass rusher but I think he might be better off in a 4-3 Von Miller or maybe even a Deone Bucannon type role.

[JoeyFlex5]

I just got around to watching some film on Floyd he's definitely an athlete and would add some much needed speed to the defense, but I'm not sold on him as a top ten pick yet I mean he is thin, like thinner than most wide receivers, if he can add 25+ pounds by the combine and keep his burst like Vic Beasley did then I might consider him in the mid 20s of the first round. He's looks like a natural pass rusher but I think he might be better off in a 4-3 Von Miller or maybe even a Deone Bucannon type role.

i felt the same at first but the more i watch him, the more enamored i become with him for this defense. even if he doesnt pack on 20 lbs he is still a very good football player and an explosive athlete who will strike fear into QB's. he may get washed out of the run game a few times, but football is a team sport and we have 10 other guys on the field, and the rest of our front seven is absolutely dominant against the run and plays very strong at the point of attack, adding a slimmer and more explosive guy should not hurt us with all the beef we have up front, as a matter of fact it is exactly what i think we need, and finding a guy as explosive as floyd but with the size and strength of an ogbah is very hard to find, those guys come around once in a blue moon and likely go top 3. 

[January J]

i personally hate calhoun, and i loved floyd at first, and then began to sour on him, but the more i watch on him and the further we fall down the boards, the more he appeals to me. 

 

this defense is in desperate need of 2 things, leadership and speed, floyd brings an explosive element to our front seven that this team has never seen, as good as the ravens defense has been, we have never had a speed rusher as explosive as leonard floyd, and with our front seven being as stout as it is, all it takes is 1 or 2 explosive pass rushers to tilt the scales, if were in the 8-12 range i would be ecstatic with him. and as far as leadership goes, the guy is a natural football player, he may be skinny but he has the right head for the game, and he plays with a very high intensity and swagger, he may not be a "leader" but he will bring some energy to field for sure. im back on his wagon, actually more than ogbah, i think he has the higher ceiling if he is placed on a team with a strong DL

I really like Floyd , but I think I'd rather have ogbah. But il admit the scales are starting to tip a bit the more I watch Floyd.

[Cillmatic]

but linebacker and edge rusher arent the same thing. myles jack and emmanuel ogbah dont really belong in the same conversation.

Ogbah would be playing OLB in our system wouldn't he?

[JoeyFlex5]

Ogbah would be playing OLB in our system wouldn't he?

is myles jack or jaylon smith or reggie ragland an edge rusher?

[Cillmatic]

is myles jack or jaylon smith or reggie ragland an edge rusher?

No, they're MLB's. Ogbah's an OLB here. All are linebackers. Catch my drift?

[JoeyFlex5]

No, they're MLB's. Ogbah's an OLB here. All are linebackers. Catch my drift?

i catch the drift, but edge rushers and ILBs simply dont belong in the same discussion. would you try to argue who the better linebacker is between aldon smith and patrick willis? would you try to argue which is the better edge rusher? no because its a pointless exercise. i dont see how we can discuss myles jack and jaylon smith in the same thread as ogbah and floyd. 

 

also, if we were to switch to a 4-3, do we suddenly eliminate guys like ogbah from the conversation because hes now a "defensive end" instead of a "outside linebacker"? i clearly see the need to separate the 2 threads. 2 years ago we werent discussing cj mosley and jadeveon clowney in the same context, and we likely never will discuss true LB's and edge rushers in the same context, sure they both play "linebacker" in a 3-4, but they are 2 totally different positions. 

 

youre splitting hairs here, just discuss DE's and OLB's (edge rushers) here and discuss actual linebackers in the other thread.

Edited December 30, 2015 by JoeyFlex5

[Clmraven]

i felt the same at first but the more i watch him, the more enamored i become with him for this defense. even if he doesnt pack on 20 lbs he is still a very good football player and an explosive athlete who will strike fear into QB's. he may get washed out of the run game a few times, but football is a team sport and we have 10 other guys on the field, and the rest of our front seven is absolutely dominant against the run and plays very strong at the point of attack, adding a slimmer and more explosive guy should not hurt us with all the beef we have up front, as a matter of fact it is exactly what i think we need, and finding a guy as explosive as floyd but with the size and strength of an ogbah is very hard to find, those guys come around once in a blue moon and likely go top 3.

I know what you mean and for the most part agree, and 230lbs isn't that bad when you think about the parts around him he'd have if we drafted him, but tbh he doesn't even look 230lbs I don't know if it's just his body type or what but he's almost built like a basketball player to me he looks like under 220 pounds.

[JoeyFlex5]

I know what you mean and for the most part agree, and 230lbs isn't that bad when you think about the parts around him he'd have if we drafted him, but tbh he doesn't even look 230lbs I don't know if it's just his body type or what but he's almost built like a basketball player to me he looks like under 220 pounds.

hes also very tall and long and has 0% body fat, muscle weighs more than fat so that could explain why he weighs more than he looks, personally i think at the combine he will weigh in between 235-240, hes got a lot of lean muscle, and he translates his speed into power very well, he cant just square up with a guy and shove him around, but when hes got a head of steam he will surprise some blockers when he gets his hands up in their chest. 

 

i think perhaps my favorite quality about him, is that you have to pick your poison with him, does the OT overcompensate to take away the corner? or does he try move with him in case he cuts inside, he is so explosive off the edge but even more impressive is his ability to stop on a dime and cut inside faster than the OT can blink. i really think he gives OT's some fits in the NFL for this reason, he just has so many ways he can beat you with his athleticism.

Edited December 30, 2015 by JoeyFlex5

[gabrielgrissom]

I see great value in Joe Alexander from Wisconsin as a third or fourth round pick

[GrimCoconut]

hes also very tall and long and has 0% body fat, muscle weighs more than fat so that could explain why he weighs more than he looks, personally i think at the combine he will weigh in between 235-240, hes got a lot of lean muscle, and he translates his speed into power very well, he cant just square up with a guy and shove him around, but when hes got a head of steam he will surprise some blockers when he gets his hands up in their chest.

i think perhaps my favorite quality about him, is that you have to pick your poison with him, does the OT overcompensate to take away the corner? or does he try move with him in case he cuts inside, he is so explosive off the edge but even more impressive is his ability to stop on a dime and cut inside faster than the OT can blink. i really think he gives OT's some fits in the NFL for this reason, he just has so many ways he can beat you with his athleticism.

I don't mean to go off topic here but muscle doesn't weigh more than fat. A pound is a pound, whether it's fat or muscle. Muscle is just denser than fat.

I hate this particular idiom. Lol sorry to rant

[JoeyFlex5]

I don't mean to go off topic here but muscle doesn't weigh more than fat. A pound is a pound, whether it's fat or muscle. Muscle is just denser than fat.

I hate this particular idiom. Lol sorry to rant

well at least you point out its an idiom lol. in theory your right, but the saying exists for a reason, there is more weight per mass in muscle than in fat, but yes a pound is a pound lol

[allblackraven]

well at least you point out its an idiom lol. in theory your right, but the saying exists for a reason, there is more weight per mass in muscle than in fat, but yes a pound is a pound lol

I feel like chiming in...

 

since the weight is a product of mass and gravity, as Grim pointed out, there would not be more of it either way. 

 

I'd rather be hit by the same mass of fat than muscle, though. Accelerates slower, results in less force.

[52liveforever]

it really depends where we fall into the first round and what round we take one.

 

Round 1 guys

Bosa is out. In the first I would be ok with ogbah at around 14 so trade back possibly and Lawson at around 20, but I don't think a trade back for Lawson would be quite worth it.

 

Round 2

I would probably be ok with Nassib here and also Yannick as well, but I just saw on CBS sports big board he is projected to go in the 6th which I find crazy. Am I the only one?

[GrimCoconut]

Does anyone else wonder if we're really out of range to draft Bosa? I recall last year when Gregory was seen as The Guy and he fell hard due to marijuana issues but still. Same goes for Ray. I just wonder if Bosa is truly out of our grasp.

[allblackraven]

Does anyone else wonder if we're really out of range to draft Bosa? I recall last year when Gregory was seen as The Guy and he fell hard due to marijuana issues but still. Same goes for Ray. I just wonder if Bosa is truly out of our grasp.

I think he's more favorably compared to Khalil Mack and Dante Fowler than Ray and Gregory in their respective drafts. Most likely out of range.

[GrimCoconut]

I think he's more favorably compared to Khalil Mack and Dante Fowler than Ray and Gregory in their respective drafts. Most likely out of range.

Yeah I'd like to agree. It's just Fowler wasn't seen as the to pass rusher at this point last year. I think he was listed as a late first round pick. Mack was never even seen as the top dog as a prospect and was always listed behind Clowney. Edited December 30, 2015 by GrimCoconut

[52520Andrew]

I don't mean to go off topic here but muscle doesn't weigh more than fat. A pound is a pound, whether it's fat or muscle. Muscle is just denser than fat.

I hate this particular idiom. Lol sorry to rant

 

What weighs more, a pound of feathers or a pound of bricks?

[allblackraven]

Yeah I'd like to agree. It's just Fowler wasn't seen as the to pass rusher at this point last year. I think he was listed as a late first round pick. Mack was never even seen as the top dog as a prospect and was always listed behind Clowney.

I forgot about Clowney. Re Mack - maybe not a top dog but was top 5 prospect on most mock boards.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

What weighs more, a pound of feathers or a pound of bricks?

Hmmm. I would say three pounds of feather bricks and steel would do the trick

[Inqui]

Does anyone else wonder if we're really out of range to draft Bosa? I recall last year when Gregory was seen as The Guy and he fell hard due to marijuana issues but still. Same goes for Ray. I just wonder if Bosa is truly out of our grasp.

I think if he falls (unless it's for something like a failed drugs test before the draft) it'd be more comparable to Leonard Williams falling last year. Iirc he was seen as the top prospect even around draft day, but just seemed to fall because teams simply preferred other guys.

 

A similar fall for Bosa is an interesting thought - and I don't think he's as physically dominant as a guy like Clowney was so I guess you can't rule out a fall like that until it does or doesn't happen. And if Goff and Lynch light up the draft process before the big day (and apparently Goff lit up his bowl game on his way to breaking Rodgers' school record for TD passes, so that's a start) that'd obviously help his freefall.

[GrimCoconut]

I forgot about Clowney. Re Mack - maybe not a top dog but was top 5 prospect on most mock boards.

No surprise. He's forgettable as far as I'm concerned.

Yeah. We'll see what happens. I'd really like Bosa but it won't be the end of the world. I think we'll still get an elite talent at #8. One of Stanley, Tunsil, Hargreaves, or Bosa are very likely to be there.

[allblackraven]

What weighs more, a pound of feathers or a pound of bricks?

Those must be some tiny bricks

[allblackraven]

No surprise. He's forgettable as far as I'm concerned.

Yeah. We'll see what happens. I'd really like Bosa but it won't be the end of the world. I think we'll still get an elite talent at #8. One of Stanley, Tunsil, Hargreaves, or Bosa are very likely to be there.

Why do you say #8? I thought as of now we have pick #6.