What do we do with all these RB's?

[usmccharles]

Until his injury he was having his 2nd worst year in ypc since hes been in the NFL. Sorry, but hes done. He's not a #1 3 down, or even 2 down back anymore. Dont care about total carries or any of that stuff. Father time effects the body regardless.

What team currently in the playoffs relies on a heavy running game with a monster back? Minn and AP, and KC with Charles but he got hurt and their still winning with no names. Well the Skins, but thats more a combo of a pathetic division and backing into the playoffs.

Sorry but 2.3m in cap relief can go to adding a WR, CB or passrusher that actually matters in todays NFL.

he was on pace for 1k yard season with the online playing like crap at the beginning of the year while a freak injury caused him to be ir'd. With his average a game that would put him at 960ish right now If he didn't go down, to put that into perspective... There's 4 rbs right now with 1k yards... 4. And his average per carry for this year is at 4.2 so I don't get your point...

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Edited December 29, 2015 by usmccharles

[Ravenseconbeast]

None of them have really made significant strides other than Buck Allen.   Buck looks like he improved his timing drastically.   Other than that, his vertical game needs to improve.

 

West and the rest do not worry me if they are let go.   They have few good cuts here and there, but with so many RBs making plays(receiving game also) in the league and drafting a fresh back easier now then ever(@ later draft rounds).    Im not worried if we make a mistake letting few guys go.

[Wildabeast88]

Ummm 2.3m is the cap relief we would receive from cutting him. Not what he would cost as a cap hit next year, which I belive is about 6m. Gotta double check. Youre point is moot.

overthecap.com base salary 3.7mil 2.3mil in savings I check my facts

[Wildabeast88]

he was on pace for 1k yard season with the online playing like crap at the beginning of the year while a freak injury caused him to be ir'd. With his average a game that would put him at 960ish right now If he didn't go down, to put that into perspective... There's 4 rbs right now with 1k yards... 4. And his average per carry for this year is at 4.2 so I don't get your point...

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I know

my point exactly good season great leader isn't worth 2.3 mil in cap space

[usmccharles]

my point exactly good season great leader isn't worth 2.3 mil in cap space

Are you agreeing with me? Lol

[Wildabeast88]

Ummm 2.3m is the cap relief we would receive from cutting him. Not what he would cost as a cap hit next year, which I belive is about 6m. Gotta double check. Youre point is moot.

how exactly is my point moot I like Allen a lot but I would like to see it 1 more year remember Pierce was great as a rookie then sucked badly. West has been cut from 2 teams and LT has missed as many games as he's played in. West has 885 yards in 2 years on 3 teams. That tells me he needs guidance to not be. Knucklehead which is where Forsett's value comes in he has been talking to Buck about what he is doing right what he can improve on. And he is a guy many players can learn from West has had off the field issues which is where a mentor line Forsett can set us up for future success

[Wildabeast88]

Are you agreeing with me? Lol

exactly Forsett was having a good year behind a iffy O-line and his leadership is priceless he is another coach on the field

[usmccharles]

exactly Forsett was having a good year behind a iffy O-line and his leadership is priceless he is another coach on the field

thank God

[terrynjulia03]

You said not many RBs are getting that production for 2.3m. Hence my point. He isnt getting paid that, he's getting close to 4m. 2.3 is just the savings. As for only 4 RB's hitting over 1000 yards, how many are in a system where theyre getting fed the ball?

Lets just say for arguments sake that he finsihed with a 4.2 ypc avg. That would put him 11th in the league. Right now were graded 24th in rushing ypc at 3.9! .3 ypc is the difference between 11 and 24. Just my opinion but further points out that he is a,luxury we just dont need.

[usmccharles]

He did finish with 4.2, so "let's say" doesn't really fit there. If that's not good enough for you than ah well, agree to disagree.

[Wildabeast88]

You said not many RBs are getting that production for 2.3m. Hence my point. He isnt getting paid that, he's getting close to 4m. 2.3 is just the savings. As for only 4 RB's hitting over 1000 yards, how many are in a system where theyre getting fed the ball?

Lets just say for arguments sake that he finsihed with a 4.2 ypc avg. That would put him 11th in the league. Right now were graded 24th in rushing ypc at 3.9! .3 ypc is the difference between 11 and 24. Just my opinion but further points out that he is a,luxury we just dont need.

so I guess we should throw it 50 times a game what's our record when we do that all I'm saying is right now we have a rookie who is good in Allen a 2nd year back in LT who has played in fewer games than he has missed and a guy in West who has more teams played for than years in the league. I want a guy who I know what I'm getting Forsett is a good runner receiver and blocker an all around back who is a great leader in the locker room and a Guy who helps the younger guys. Should we also get rid of Suggs he is owed a lot of money or Dumervil a lot of money and didnt perform to the contract where do you draw the line.

[Wildabeast88]

Forsett 4.2 yards per carry Ravens 3.9 yards per carry as a team take away Forsett's yards and attempts the Ravens average is 3.68 yards per carry that is over half a yard per attempt less without Forsett. Also Forsett 2 rushing TDs other RBs combined 2 using TDs.

Edited December 30, 2015 by Wildabeast88

[ravens88]

so I guess we should throw it 50 times a game what's our record when we do that all I'm saying is right now we have a rookie who is good in Allen a 2nd year back in LT who has played in fewer games than he has missed and a guy in West who has more teams played for than years in the league. I want a guy who I know what I'm getting Forsett is a good runner receiver and blocker an all around back who is a great leader in the locker room and a Guy who helps the younger guys. Should we also get rid of Suggs he is owed a lot of money or Dumervil a lot of money and didnt perform to the contract where do you draw the line.

I don't think anyone is arguing what he can do but push comes to shove with the CAP number for next season Forsett has little money in bonus so cutting him clears 2.3 million in cap where as cutting other players like you mention would result in more dead money therefore less value in cutting than keeping. Other than the 10 or so Great RB's the rest are very replaceable in this league as shown this season with them all hurt and replaced fairly well.

[terrynjulia03]

so I guess we should throw it 50 times a game what's our record when we do that all I'm saying is right now we have a rookie who is good in Allen a 2nd year back in LT who has played in fewer games than he has missed and a guy in West who has more teams played for than years in the league. I want a guy who I know what I'm getting Forsett is a good runner receiver and blocker an all around back who is a great leader in the locker room and a Guy who helps the younger guys. Should we also get rid of Suggs he is owed a lot of money or Dumervil a lot of money and didnt perform to the contract where do you draw the line.

I never said throw 50 times a game. Trestman is a pass first OC. He uses passing to set up the run. This year he hasnt been allowed to use his playbook. Let him run the offense, and if passing 50 times is what he likes and wins games than great. Not up to us. But what Im saying is we have more pressing needs that 2.3M can go towards when we have all these backs on the roster. Let the younger cheaper guys handle it. Like how the rest of the league has done.

[terrynjulia03]

Oh and another thought. Buck ran for 4.4 ypc against whats graded a pretty good squeelrs D. I have full confidence in a trio of Allen, Tali and West next year and Trestmans ability to use them as needed.

[Wildabeast88]

Oh and another thought. Buck ran for 4.4 ypc against whats graded a pretty good squeelrs D. I have full confidence in a trio of Allen, Tali and West next year and Trestmans ability to use them as needed.

Forsett's numbers vs Steelers 27 carries 150 yards 5.6average

[Wildabeast88]

I don't think anyone is arguing what he can do but push comes to shove with the CAP number for next season Forsett has little money in bonus so cutting him clears 2.3 million in cap where as cutting other players like you mention would result in more dead money therefore less value in cutting than keeping. Other than the 10 or so Great RB's the rest are very replaceable in this league as shown this season with them all hurt and replaced fairly well.

I feel like cutting Forsett opens another hole on the roster I like Buck a lot I jut don't feel like you can depend on West and LT

[Wildabeast88]

Oh and another thought. Buck ran for 4.4 ypc against whats graded a pretty good squeelrs D. I have full confidence in a trio of Allen, Tali and West next year and Trestmans ability to use them as needed.

we can agree to disagree but I feel cutting Forsett opens another hole on the roster

[terrynjulia03]

we can agree to disagree but I feel cutting Forsett opens another hole on the roster

Its all good bro. Hell theres guys on here that swear Camp is gonna turn into Steve Smith, ya know once he gets every injury known to football out of the way and has enough surgeries to be renamed the bionic man. Were all allowed to disgree on things. Lol. I just would rather spend that 2.3m on getting say Mike Wallace in here to prop up the WR core, or maybe another go at a decent FS or LT depending on how the draft goes and all that, ya know? Theres teams in the playoffs that I bet you cant name their #1 RB. Its not as money needed a position any more. And Im old school and would rather have the #1 D and rushing attack in the league and punish teams like we used to. But its changed. You can get the same production out of a commitee of cheap backs and a good line.

Its just a money thing bro. I love his heart and fire too. But the problem with the team is they need that on the other side. Gotta put some money there, while also getting Joe another weapon so Marc doesnt go bald scheming to win with a bunch of scrubs. Lol

[Wildabeast88]

Its all good bro. Hell theres guys on here that swear Camp is gonna turn into Steve Smith, ya know once he gets every injury known to football out of the way and has enough surgeries to be renamed the bionic man. Were all allowed to disgree on things. Lol. I just would rather spend that 2.3m on getting say Mike Wallace in here to prop up the WR core, or maybe another go at a decent FS or LT depending on how the draft goes and all that, ya know? Theres teams in the playoffs that I bet you cant name their #1 RB. Its not as money needed a position any more. And Im old school and would rather have the #1 D and rushing attack in the league and punish teams like we used to. But its changed. You can get the same production out of a commitee of cheap backs and a good line.

Its just a money thing bro. I love his heart and fire too. But the problem with the team is they need that on the other side. Gotta put some money there, while also getting Joe another weapon so Marc doesnt go bald scheming to win with a bunch of scrubs. Lol

Yes I would love that old school D I'm not a fan of Mike Wallace I think Perriman could do that and be cheaper than Wallace

[atomicfront]

I think Forsett is a lot better than West.  Allen has shown to be a good receiver which help his cause.  I say go to camp and  let them battle it out. The team could save some money by cutting Forsett but it isn't very much.  

[Virginia 55]

Honestly our current group of running backs is horrible.  We don't have a Ray Rice or Jamal lewis on our roster. 

 

No one is explosive either!!!

 

I honestly can't stand our RB position. 

[ALPHA]

I think we need to to put an emphasis on durability, I like Taliaferro but he just can't stay healthy. 

[Inqui]

I think we need to to put an emphasis on durability, I like Taliaferro but he just can't stay healthy. 

Just gotta find a RB that won't get injured. How hard can it be?

[GrimCoconut]

Honestly our current group of running backs is horrible.  We don't have a Ray Rice or Jamal lewis on our roster. 

 

No one is explosive either!!!

 

I honestly can't stand our RB position. 

What do you think we do well? Reading your comments, I wonder if you even like the Ravens.

Edited January 21, 2016 by GrimCoconut

[ALPHA]

Just gotta find a RB that won't get injured. How hard can it be?

 

Buck hasn't missed any time in his career which is a good sign. I'm interested to see what he looks like after an offseason in the weightroom.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Forsett will be kept to help continue the development of the other young backs. Ozzies comments this past offseason about not realizing how many premier backs Forsett has helped developed spoke strongly to that effect.

I think we keep all 4 going into the offseason and let them battle it out. If one is cut it's either West or LT, but to say West has shown more than LT isn't a fair statement.

I'd like to see us keep all 4 instead of keeping extra useless WRs.

[thieverycorporation]

Forsett is a valuable peice to the puzzle. He does everything well as smaller back. His attributes far out way any savings by releasing him. He runs well, he's quick, finds holes, doesn't fumble, catches well out of the backfield, finds soft spots, squares up to block, chip blocks, fits well in trestmans scheme thus far, cost little comparatively speaking, shows leadership, creates no drama on or off the field, durable (injury aside), plays when dinged up, knows the playbook, creates after busted play/timing, still has a lot of tread on them tires plays like a Raven. All in all why would we jettison him for a Talliaferro who's often injured and hasn't shown (nearly) those traits consistently. Harbaughs comments still ring in my hear. We're not waiting for these guys to develop as long as we have in the past. That luxury has pasted. If he were cut I wouldn't anticipate it happening unless he didn't heal satisfactory or we picked up a dual propose one in the draft. Relying on West and Buck (Basically two unprovens) with minimal experience would be a huge blunder. Adding a bigger contract for free agent doesn't seem logical. So we have a back that under contract. You jettison him. You create a hole. You create a higher cost. Whats up with that plan?

Edited January 21, 2016 by thieverycorporation

[usmccharles]

Forsett is a valuable peice to the puzzle. He does everything well as smaller back. His attributes far out way any savings by releasing him. He runs well, he's quick, finds holes, doesn't fumble, catches well out of the backfield, finds soft spots, squares up to block, chip blocks, fits well in trestmans scheme thus far, cost little comparatively speaking, shows leadership, creates no drama on or off the field, durable (injury aside), plays when dinged up, knows the playbook, creates after busted play/timing, still has a lot of tread on them tires plays like a Raven. All in all why would we jettison him for a Talliaferro who's often injured and hasn't shown (nearly) those traits consistently. Harbaughs comments still ring in my hear. We're not waiting for these guys to develop as long as we have in the past. That luxury has pasted. If he were cut I wouldn't anticipate it happening unless he didn't heal satisfactory or we picked up a dual propose one in the draft. Relying on West and Buck (Basically two unprovens) with minimal experience would be a huge blunder. Adding a bigger contract for free agent doesn't seem logical. So we have a back that under contract. You jettison him. You create a hole. You create a higher cost. Whats up with that plan?

Thats what most people dont understand. Some people think Buck and West are the answer, i do not, at all. 

[HoldingCall]

All RBs could remain through workouts and practice. Then they have the opportunity to earn a spot for the next season. I don't see them earning their future based (entirely) on past performance. So I believe it depends on how they perform when the new practice season gets underway.

 

PS: past reliability and injury history may also play in the decision, or even contracts to so extent when players are close in what they show. 

Edited January 21, 2016 by HoldingCall