Ryan Mallett is the most confident QB that has ever lined up for the Ravens!

[cobrajet]

Wow, I was impressed with Ryan Mallet in that Steelers game. With being here only a short time, he looked darn good.

[Steve0x]

You do realize Flacco has 3 rushing TDs and rushed for 6 1st downs this season right? And Mallet did not gain any rushing yds at all right?

Yeah but he doesn't do it often. Look at Mallet he turns something positive when defense covers the receivers. 

[Moderator 3]

Yeah but he doesn't do it often. Look at Mallet he turns something positive when defense covers the receivers.

So zero = something positive?

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Look Mallet played well. I actually think he's the future.. Backup. He's the future backup. Which is good. He's got a good ceiling as that. He'll make good money doing so. He could develop into a high tier backup. Which is what I want. If you tell me he's going to be a stronger armed version of Shaun Hill. Colored me damn happy. I think he's showed more than Tyrod ever did when he was here. I like him..

What I hate is how everyone is now claiming he's better than our SB MVP QB.

I like Mallet. Glad we have him. He's not going to be the starter next season unless Flacco is hurt again

Edited January 3, 2016 by LosT_in_TranSlatioN

[ravensdfan]

Yeah but he doesn't do it often. Look at Mallet he turns something positive when defense covers the receivers. 

What evidence do you have to even suggest Mallet does this or is successful at it?

 

2012 he had 8 attempts with a negative 9 yds.

2013 no attempts

2014 6 attempts negative 2 yds

2015 (with Houston, not us) 4 attempts gaining 11 yds (one rush was for 6 yds, so on 3 others he netted only 4 yds).

 

Not exactly a resume for turning a negative into a positive. In his entire time playing, he has 1 TD rushing and 4 1st downs by rushing. This year alone Flacco has 3 TDs and 6 1st downs.

Edited January 3, 2016 by ravensdfan

[Cville-Raven]

What evidence do you have to even suggest Mallet does this or is successful at it?

 

2012 he had 8 attempts with a negative 9 yds.

2013 no attempts

2014 6 attempts negative 2 yds

2015 (with Houston, not us) 4 attempts gaining 11 yds (one rush was for 6 yds, so on 3 others he netted only 4 yds).

 

Not exactly a resume for turning a negative into a positive.

It's funny that he would make that assumption after one game against a team that has absolutely zero pass rush. 

[usmccharles]

What evidence do you have to even suggest Mallet does this or is successful at it?

2012 he had 8 attempts with a negative 9 yds.

2013 no attempts

2014 6 attempts negative 2 yds

2015 (with Houston, not us) 4 attempts gaining 11 yds (one rush was for 6 yds, so on 3 others he netted only 4 yds).

Not exactly a resume for turning a negative into a positive. In his entire time playing, he has 1 TD rushing and 4 1st downs by rushing. This year alone Flacco has 3 TDs and 6 1st downs.

I don't think I have ever seen someone burned so badly by facts against pure assumption. If I had a link on my phone for the local burn center.... I'd post it... Well played sir, well Played Edited January 3, 2016 by usmccharles

[1/28/01]

I wouldn't say Eli has had a substantially better group of receivers over the years. This year was rough for Flacco, but outside 2015, I'd say Boldin, Smith, Sr, Mason, his TEs in a healthy Pitta, Daniels, Heap etc have been relatively on pat with what Eli has had. They are very similar QBs in very similar situations. Those saying otherwise likely look at Eli as having been sorta average at the QB position and certainly don't want to liken Flacco to that category/ranking.

Edited January 3, 2016 by 1/28/01

[usmccharles]

I wouldn't say Eli has had a substantially better groups of receivers over the years. This year was rough for Flacco, but outside 2015, I'd say Boldin, Smith, Sr, Mason, his TEs in a healthy Pitta, Daniels, Heap etc have been relatively on pat with what Eli has had. They are very similar QBs in very similar situations. Those saying otherwise likely look at Eli as having been sorta average at the QB position and certainly don't want to liken Flacco to that category/ranking.

Eli also has had a lot longer of a career. But I think people look at it as he has Cruz who was considered a top ten wr at one point and now has obj who in my opinion will be the best wr for years to come. You can't make any argument for Flacco having that one guy. But I'll take a group of wrs like we had in our sb run over one elite guy any day

[CalvinSmoke]

You said that they fell off in production when they left New York, which isn't really true. I'm saying Eli has had the benefit of playing with some really great receivers to really bring up his stats and mask some deficiencies.

ahh, that's fair guess I forgot what I was talking about lol. But from Eli's superbowls his reciever core wasn't outrageous. At least not for the first one. Joe's during his superbowl run was right there. I may have over stepped the, Eli might be better thing, I just know that's the only was u guys would have listened lol

[1/28/01]

Eli also has had a lot longer of a career. But I think people look at it as he has Cruz who was considered a top ten wr at one point and now has obj who in my opinion will be the best wr for years to come. You can't make any argument for Flacco having that one guy. But I'll take a group of wrs like we had in our sb run over one elite guy any day

OBJ has just come on the scene and Cruz COULD be a 1 season wonder. Not saying he is, but could be. They've both had similar types of receiver groups...and similar careers thus far.

[BmoreBird22]

ahh, that's fair guess I forgot what I was talking about lol. But from Eli's superbowls his reciever core wasn't outrageous. At least not for the first one. Joe's during his superbowl run was right there. I may have over stepped the, Eli might be better thing, I just know that's the only was u guys would have listened lol

I would say in his first Super Bowl run, his receivers were right on par with the Ravens. Burress being Boldin, Toomer being Torrey, and Shockey being Pitta. Pretty level playing field there.

 

In his second, I would have taken Nicks to that point and Cruz over Boldin and Torrey and hell, even Manningham was a better three than Jacoby. 

[BmoreBird22]

OBJ has just come on the scene and Cruz COULD be a 1 season wonder. Not saying he is, but could be. They've both had similar types of receiver groups...and similar careers thus far.

That's a pretty good three year stretch to be a one year wonder...

 

And by just came onto the scene, you can't possibly mean just now in his second season, as if his rookie season wasn't absurd? Like Randy Moss rookie season absurd.

[usmccharles]

OBJ has just come on the scene and Cruz COULD be a 1 season wonder. Not saying he is, but could be. They've both had similar types of receiver groups...and similar careers thus far.

I'm On my phone so I can't really look up stats. The one year wonder enigma doesn't really matter, he still had him for that one year when he went crazy, looks like injuries will ruin his career. And yes one is just coming onto th scene but over the past two years I'd be interested to see who has any stats near his, honestly I don't know, brown? And he will have obj for a while... And Joe has never had any body to that caliber, but like I said I'll take the group corps over one guy

[BmoreBird22]

I'm On my phone so I can't really look up stats. The one year wonder enigma doesn't really matter, he still had him for that one year when he went crazy, looks like injuries will ruin his career. And yes one is just coming onto th scene but over the past two years I'd be interested to see who has any stats near his, honestly I don't know, brown? And he will have obj for a while... And Joe has never had any body to that caliber, but like I said I'll take the group corps over one guy

He had one insane year and then kinda trailed off a little bit in the next two years, but he was also injured in his third year and put up respectable stats that would have been on par with his second...

 

If that's too confusing, then just realize what I mean is that he had a good three year stretch.

[Tenacious Faulker]

I'll say he looked a bit Brady-like in the pocket.  Not so polished, but he was confident, chucked the ball like a pebble and made some nice tight throws.  I wouldn;t go so far as to say he's been the most confident Ravens QB in the pocket ever since Flacco and McNair (2006) really proved that and Mallet's had just one game. 

[1/28/01]

That's a pretty good three year stretch to be a one year wonder...

And by just came onto the scene, you can't possibly mean just now in his second season, as if his rookie season wasn't absurd? Like Randy Moss rookie season absurd.

No, I mean he's 2 years into the league and Eli's been quarterbacking in the NFL longer than Flacco. 2 years is just coming onto the scene in relative terms.

[BmoreBird22]

No, I mean he's 2 years into the league and Eli's been quarterbacking in the NFL longer than Flacco. 2 years is just coming onto the scene in relative terms.

I'm just making sure you weren't discrediting his rookie season.

 

It's just, Eli has always had the ability to transition from number one to number one- Burress to Nicks to Cruz to OBJ

[1/28/01]

He had one insane year and then kinda trailed off a little bit in the next two years, but he was also injured in his third year and put up respectable stats that would have been on par with his second...

If that's too confusing, then just realize what I mean is that he had a good three year stretch.

Yeah, you sorta disagreed with me and then agreed with me. Assume he never regains that years form (whatever it was, 2011 or 2012) and people look back in 5,10 or even 15 years...1 season wonder. Just saying it's not like Eli has had a 1,500 yard per season guy year in and year out.

But yes, I'd trade my left arm for OBJ.

[1/28/01]

I'm just making sure you weren't discrediting his rookie season.

It's just, Eli has always had the ability to transition from number one to number one- Burress to Nicks to Cruz to OBJ

Yeah, luck or the QB or who knows...each lasted a few years and them got injured or moved on. If OBJ is here to say, there's his bona-fide #1. The others could be compared to the production received from Mason, Boldin and Torrey...within reason.

[Steve0x]

So zero = something positive?

Better than negative yards 

[Steve0x]

What evidence do you have to even suggest Mallet does this or is successful at it?

 

2012 he had 8 attempts with a negative 9 yds.

2013 no attempts

2014 6 attempts negative 2 yds

2015 (with Houston, not us) 4 attempts gaining 11 yds (one rush was for 6 yds, so on 3 others he netted only 4 yds).

 

Not exactly a resume for turning a negative into a positive. In his entire time playing, he has 1 TD rushing and 4 1st downs by rushing. This year alone Flacco has 3 TDs and 6 1st downs.

Well maybe he finally fits in Baltimore. Remember Trent Dilfer? Billick didn't give him a chance the following year. He rather wants KYLE BOLLER! 

[BmoreBird22]

Yeah, you sorta disagreed with me and then agreed with me. Assume he never regains that years form (whatever it was, 2011 or 2012) and people look back in 5,10 or even 15 years...1 season wonder. Just saying it's not like Eli has had a 1,500 yard per season guy year in and year out.

But yes, I'd trade my left arm for OBJ.

He posted 1500 yards and 10+ touchdowns and then 1200 yards and 7 touchdowns and then he was dealing with some nagging injuries. I wouldn't call him a one year wonder

[BmoreBird22]

Yeah, luck or the QB or who knows...each lasted a few years and them got injured or moved on. If OBJ is here to say, there's his bona-fide #1. The others could be compared to the production received from Mason, Boldin and Torrey...within reason.

Burress was pretty good in Pitt and just did about the same in NY. Nicks really dealt with some major nagging injuries and really tapered off. Cruz, well, we just discussed him.

I think it says something that Burress did much of the same from Pitt to NY and Toomer dropped off as soon as Eli takes over.

I wouldn't compare their productions to Mason, Boldin, etc because each had at least one season of 1,000 yards AND 10 touchdowns in the same season. The Ravens have never had that, as far as I know.

[Cville-Raven]

I wouldn't compare their productions to Mason, Boldin, etc because each had at least one season of 1,000 yards AND 10 touchdowns in the same season. The Ravens have never had that, as far as I know.

Yeah even Nicks before his injury was far better than any of the guys that Joe has had. It's kind of a shame because that dude was developing into an absolute monster of a receiver. Pretty much dominated every defense during their Super Bowl run. Edited January 3, 2016 by Cville-Raven

[beanfigger]

I wouldn't say Eli has had a substantially better group of receivers over the years. This year was rough for Flacco, but outside 2015, I'd say Boldin, Smith, Sr, Mason, his TEs in a healthy Pitta, Daniels, Heap etc have been relatively on pat with what Eli has had. They are very similar QBs in very similar situations. Those saying otherwise likely look at Eli as having been sorta average at the QB position and certainly don't want to liken Flacco to that category/ranking.

You listed a bunch of players as though that's who Flacco has had as his group of receivers. That's one at a time for the receivers (and one year with none of them), and didn't have those tight ends playing much together at the same time, either. Basically, Flacco has mostly had one solid veteran receiver and one tight end each season. Eli has certainly had several seasons with multiple good receivers playing. He hasn't had an embarrassment of riches or anything, but I do think he has had it better in the RECEIVER department, and Shockey was a pretty good TE for a while with him. As far as overall team, Flacco has been blessed to be on the better end of that coin.

Edited January 3, 2016 by beanfigger

[BmoreBird22]

Yeah even Nicks before his injury was far better than any of the guys that Joe has had. It's kind of a shame because that dude was developing into an absolute monster of a receiver. Pretty much dominated every defense during their Super Bowl run.

I used to love Hakeem Nicks. He and Steve Smith were probably two of my favorite non Raven receivers right about that time. Injuries can really take a savage till on a career

[polynesian15]

Right. Only six out of seven full seasons he brings us to the playoffs.

Sure, that's all Joe. No one else contributed to those playoff berths.

Besides the epic SB run and phenomenal games here and there - Joe arguably is a high priced game manager.

Let's see what happens during training camp with Joe coming off surgery and all.

Mallett is a much cheaper game manager - that's all I'm saying. 

 

[OUravensfan]

You do realize Flacco has 3 rushing TDs and rushed for 6 1st downs this season right? And Mallet did not gain any rushing yds at all right?

Imagine if we had a situation like New England where Mallet plays a whole season and wins 11 games and throws 26 TD passes, then imagine what we'd be dealing with.

[1/28/01]

You listed a bunch of players as though that's who Flacco has had as his group of receivers. That's one at a time for the receivers (and one year with none of them), and didn't have those tight ends playing much together at the same time, either. Basically, Flacco has mostly had one solid veteran receiver and one tight end each season. Eli has certainly had several seasons with multiple good receivers playing. He hasn't had an embarrassment of riches or anything, but I do think he has had it better in the RECEIVER department, and Shockey was a pretty good TE for a while with him. As far as overall team, Flacco has been blessed to be on the better end of that coin.

Did Eli ever have the 4 names being tossed around at the same time with big production? I'm not saying Eli hadn't had better receivers, its just not as far off as some are saying or trying to say to make Eli appear to have had massive help where Flacco hasn't had any. I get the motive behind it by some; protect and elevate Flacco at all costs