Ryan Mallett is the most confident QB that has ever lined up for the Ravens!

[K-Dog]

Here is the thing.  It would be tough to argue Mallett looked like a rock star against Pitts-burgh.  But when you are playing well, and winning its pretty easy to exude confidence, and leadership and unity and all that stuff. Not that tough to do at all.

 

Now against Cincy Mallett looked less like a rock star and more like Nickel Back ( ) and we saw less confident, less leadership and less unity, which he really should have continued to show but did not.  I for one was really disappointed. 

 

Ray is the leader of leaders.  If you want an example of a true leader look at Ray Lewis.   In our worst games, in our worst seasons, in our worst moments, Ray shined. Mallett should study some Ray Lewis film. 

[frozen joe flacco fan]

Hardly, but thanks for your attempted condescension. I've supported Trestman all season and in no way want him gone; that doesn't mean he doesn't have his faults. All season I tried to forgive his pass happiness, because we were ALWAYS playing from behind. It's hard to run the ball with a bad defense. I will remind you here that, although we led the league in pass attempts, we were 29th in yards per attempt. This indicates to intelligent people that we got a lot of yardage because we passed a lot, not because we were good at passing. For example, Mallett had 56 passing attempts against Cincy, and he only had 5.2 yards per attempt. That's freaking pathetic. 5.2 yards per passing attempt? There are teams that have 5.2 yards per rush.

 

Tl;dr? We sucked at passing, but we got a lot of yards because we passed a lot. That's not impressive.

 

Well, I'd say you're welcome but I'm not sure what "condescension" means so I'll just have to defer to your good nature. I didn't see the game but I understand we led at half-time 9-7 and we had a chance to tie the game in the final minute against the mighty Bungles. That's not too bad for a 4th string QB IMO but yer the expert. BTW, I thought Schaub, Claussen and my man Crab Mallett only played in the last six games of the season. You said they played for half of the season in your earlier response to my non-intelligent (by your lofty standards) post. Well, 6/16 = 3/8 = .375 or 37.5% by my arithmetic is not half the games. Just sayin???? You ought to try not taking things so personally and getting so defensive when someone offers a different point of view. Not a sermon; just a thought!!!!

[The Raven]

Well, I'd say you're welcome but I'm not sure what "condescension" means so I'll just have to defer to your good nature. I didn't see the game but I understand we led at half-time 9-7 and we had a chance to tie the game in the final minute against the mighty Bungles. That's not too bad for a 4th string QB IMO but yer the expert. BTW, I thought Schaub, Claussen and my man Crab Mallett only played in the last six games of the season. You said they played for half of the season in your earlier response to my non-intelligent (by your lofty standards) post. Well, 6/16 = 3/8 = .375 or 37.5% by my arithmetic is not half the games. Just sayin???? You ought to try not taking things so personally and getting so defensive when someone offers a different point of view. Not a sermon; just a thought!!!!

 

I'm waiting for a rebuttal to my response about Trestman. Not interested in the other crap. 

[frozen joe flacco fan]

I'm waiting for a rebuttal to my response about Trestman. Not interested in the other crap. 

 

I think it took Marc Trestman awhile to get used to running Gary Kubiak's offense and he might have been uncomfortable with the ZBS in the running game. Of course, the offense needs to be more balanced between running and passing plays, even in the pass-first trending NFL. Under the circumstances, I think he did an outstanding job with the ineffective weapons with which he had to work and should be re-hired. The most effective game he coached IMO was the one in which Javorius Allen was involved in 47% of the offense. In the next game, he practically disappeared. Its way too early to compare Javorius Allen with Marcus Allen but I do see some similarities. He is very smooth and quick without being in too much of a hurry. As for Trestman, I can see where he gets the reputation as the QB Whisperer. I think our offense could have been even better if the head coach had not called so many bone-headed calls.    

[wizard1]

I honestly thought that was Ryan Leaf out there for a few minutes. This guy is a clunker. Unfortunately he is what we can afford with our salary cap limitations.

[Ed_Reed_Pick_Six]

I would be interested to see what he does with Steve Smith and Breshad Perriman, not to mention Gillmore/Boyle and Maxx. Of course, we also want to see Flacco back out there, but Mallett with better knowledge of personnel and the system could be a very promising back up. 

[52520Andrew]

again. What did he say wrong? He was asked why Joe sucks against the Bengals, how should Mallett know? He's been here for like two weeks he probably hasn't even met Joe. Plus the questions not even remotely about him. He litterly had no good possible answer.

 

Yeah, it isn't like you want the guy to say 

 

"Oh jeez, if they give the great Joe Flacco problems then I better get on my knees and pray that I can at least do something against that dreaded defense."

 

He isn't Joe and the Bengals had only seen one game of him in our system. He isn't saying he is better than Joe, just that he has his own strengths and weaknesses that the Bengals may not know about. At least that is how I interpreted it. I am not nearly the biggest fan of Mallet but I don't think that quote is something to complain over.

Edited January 5, 2016 by 52520Andrew

[52520Andrew]

Now against Cincy Mallett looked less like a rock star and more like Nickel Back ( )

 

You caught me drinking some water there and I nearly spit it out on the computer screen.

 

As for Mallet being our future backup, I think we have all of training camp and preseason to look into him. I wouldn't mind bringing in more competition(maybe keep Clausen around or bring in someone else) but he should have a great shot at winning the job. 

[usmccharles]

People need to chill with this hype train and it does look like it came back to earth.  He will suffice as a backup and if we need him for 2-4 games we should be ok.  To ask a backup qb to come in with such little practice time with a new team and throwing to the roster we had...i think he did just fine.  But some (too many) seemed ready to trade Joe because he threw for a whop[ping 270 and 1 td....

[Cville-Raven]

Now against Cincy Mallett looked less like a rock star and more like Nickel Back ( )

lol damn

[RedFire]

Biggest thing for me was how he was so quick to throw his hands up and project anything that was a disconnect between himself and a receiver onto the receiver.

 

Simply put it's not a quality leadership trait and it came to light when things didn't go his way.  Dropped pass, miss blitz hot route, disconnect on route depth etc.  Flack will do this little weird point route work thing with his finger on one hand, but will never throw up two hands on a receiver, the ol "what are you doing"

 

he hasn't done anything Brady doesn't do 

[RedFire]

Knee jerk

 

not really.

 

he never looked stupid on the sidelines like eli manning, Flacco, or a peyton manning when they messed up. he maintained confidence and accepted things were not going his way. Mallet still had the killer instinct look on his face and held guys accountable even he (mallet) made mistakes...just like Brady!

[The Raven]

not really.

 

he never looked stupid on the sidelines like eli manning, Flacco, or a peyton manning when they messed up. he maintained confidence and accepted things were not going his way. Mallet still had the killer instinct look on his face and held guys accountable even he (mallet) made mistakes...just like Brady!

 

There's a good way and a bad way of doing this. Mallett and Brady do it the bad way. If I had the choice, I'd play with Joe instead. He's a good teammate. Humble. Willing to take blame. And he does hold people accountable, but he does it constructively. Mallett is the kind of guy that has the potential to ruin a locker room. He has all the ability in the world - well he would if he would work harder at his craft and have some humility - but he's a jerk. Mallett and Brady are crap teammates. 

 

You can be confident and have that killer instinct without being a [profanity deleted]. Look at Joe, Aaron Rodgers, Andrew Luck, etc... That's what makes a good leader. Mallett is a piece of trash as a leader. Looking confident and poised doesn't make you a leader in any way.

[rmcjacket23]

not really.

 

he never looked stupid on the sidelines like eli manning, Flacco, or a peyton manning when they messed up. he maintained confidence and accepted things were not going his way. Mallet still had the killer instinct look on his face and held guys accountable even he (mallet) made mistakes...just like Brady!

That's great and all, but there's a difference between LOOKING like you have killer instinct and actually having a killer instinct.

 

I certainly didn't see anything resembling the have part in that game on Sunday.

 

For me, its simple... I have not seen Mallett make one throw that Joe can't make thus far. Not one.

 

I've seen multiple (at least three I saw on Sunday) that Joe can make that Mallett hasn't proven to me that he can make.

 

That's all I need to know. I could care less about how Joe or Mallett reacts on the sidelines, whether they are reviewing pictures or eating a hot dog. That's the stuff that gets fans all worked up, but its ultimately irrelevant.

[redrum52]

If Palmer is worth 2 1st round picks then Flacco is worth 3. But no team will make that mistake again, Oakland set up Cincinnati so well with that stupid trade and we pay the price for it.

What an awful trade. Dumped someone who was going to retire. I'm pretty sure they either had Dalton or drafted him that year and then got Hue Jackson back. The Raiders are just now recovering from that. And didn't they only get like 2 3rds for Palmer from Arizona?

Correction. He was traded for a 6th and a conditional pick. I hate the Raiders.

[OUravensfan]

What an awful trade. Dumped someone who was going to retire. I'm pretty sure they either had Dalton or drafted him that year and then got Hue Jackson back. The Raiders are just now recovering from that. And didn't they only get like 2 3rds for Palmer from Arizona?

Correction. He was traded for a 6th and a conditional pick. I hate the Raiders.

Me too, they setup the bengals so well. I was livid when it happened, they're a joke and don't deserve to have an upside right now after that lol. Throw Tampa on that list too, they set up the bengals with a comp pick 3rd round for Michael Johnson, then they cut him, bengals get him back for a discount and they still get a pick. You literally can't make this stuff up and recently it's been benefiting them. I hate football

[OUravensfan]

That's great and all, but there's a difference between LOOKING like you have killer instinct and actually having a killer instinct.

I certainly didn't see anything resembling the have part in that game on Sunday.

For me, its simple... I have not seen Mallett make one throw that Joe can't make thus far. Not one.

I've seen multiple (at least three I saw on Sunday) that Joe can make that Mallett hasn't proven to me that he can make.

That's all I need to know. I could care less about how Joe or Mallett reacts on the sidelines, whether they are reviewing pictures or eating a hot dog. That's the stuff that gets fans all worked up, but its ultimately irrelevant.

I think Flacco looked pretty confident when he audibled on 4th and 1 in the Super Bowl. But he doesn't show emotion! I mean this is literally insane, idk, maybe it's like a president sentiment type thing, half the fanbase is always going to want the backup when things aren't going our way.

[usmccharles]

not really.

 

he never looked stupid on the sidelines like eli manning, Flacco, or a peyton manning when they messed up. he maintained confidence and accepted things were not going his way. Mallet still had the killer instinct look on his face and held guys accountable even he (mallet) made mistakes...just like Brady!

You dont get a nick name like Joe Cool for no reason.  Announcers and analysts comment on his demeanor all the time.  How he can go out, throw a pick, sit down and not lose his cool, come back and make a play.  Your defending a guy who is known as immature and has barely played in as many games as Flacco has playoff wins... to the likes of brady, manning, eli, and Joe....good god

[flynismo]

maybe it's like a president sentiment type thing, half the fanbase is always going to want the backup when things aren't going our way.

I'd like to believe that, but frankly...there are a lot of idiots in the world...

[OUravensfan]

I'd like to believe that, but frankly...there are a lot of idiots in the world...

Yea it's true, my login with Facebook functionality stopped working years ago, I've never stopped reading, the Mallet stuff Virginia was spewing made me so angry I tried to log in again and it finally worked!....Besides, I figure you could use the help in here, the Mallet stuff was a new low with this ongoing discussion.

[Ed_Reed_Pick_Six]

What an awful trade. Dumped someone who was going to retire. I'm pretty sure they either had Dalton or drafted him that year and then got Hue Jackson back. The Raiders are just now recovering from that. And didn't they only get like 2 3rds for Palmer from Arizona?

Correction. He was traded for a 6th and a conditional pick. I hate the Raiders.

 

I still can't believe that trade. Charity boost for our division rivals. 

[reed20]

What an awful trade. Dumped someone who was going to retire. I'm pretty sure they either had Dalton or drafted him that year and then got Hue Jackson back. The Raiders are just now recovering from that. And didn't they only get like 2 3rds for Palmer from Arizona?

Correction. He was traded for a 6th and a conditional pick. I hate the Raiders.

That and many other reasons why that team hasn't seen the postseason in ages.

[RedFire]

There's a good way and a bad way of doing this. Mallett and Brady do it the bad way. If I had the choice, I'd play with Joe instead. He's a good teammate. Humble. Willing to take blame. And he does hold people accountable, but he does it constructively. Mallett is the kind of guy that has the potential to ruin a locker room. He has all the ability in the world - well he would if he would work harder at his craft and have some humility - but he's a jerk. Mallett and Brady are crap teammates. 

 

You can be confident and have that killer instinct without being a [profanity deleted]. Look at Joe, Aaron Rodgers, Andrew Luck, etc... That's what makes a good leader. Mallett is a piece of trash as a leader. Looking confident and poised doesn't make you a leader in any way.

 

Brady has more rings than those dudes combined!

[RedFire]

I really admire your exuberant feelings abut Ryan Mallett and agree with the premise of your original post to this extent. Ryan Mallett is the most confident QB that has ever lined up for the Ravens since Joe Flacco got hurt! You obviously never saw Vince Testaverde or Steve McNair line up.  

 

I been a fan since 96...i went to a CFL stallions game when i was in elementary school.

 

However, I was still a split cowboys fan until 8-8 season of 99 when the ravens finished strong down the stretch and I fully committed. 

 

 

 

 

vinny put up some numbers...and mcnair was competent, and a calming presence, but wasn't fiery.  

[RedFire]

You dont get a nick name like Joe Cool for no reason.  Announcers and analysts comment on his demeanor all the time.  How he can go out, throw a pick, sit down and not lose his cool, come back and make a play.  Your defending a guy who is known as immature and has barely played in as many games as Flacco has playoff wins... to the likes of brady, manning, eli, and Joe....good god

 

 

mallets has been in the NFL and his personality is comparable to Brady...

thus far he is on that type of path from a leadership perspective. 

 

what does skills and games played mean? i'm talking personality type being very similar to a proven winner. 

[The Raven]

Brady has more rings than those dudes combined!

 

The point

 

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Your head

 

Did you even read the post?

[ellicottraven]

Agree, he definitely has a larger presence on the field that Flacco ever did.  Leadership, pocket awareness, sense of urgency...

Hmm... the only thing I'll concede is the sense of urgency bit, because I'm still pissed at the lack of urgency earlier in the season with Joe and the offense. It may have been the Raiders game (not sure), but the way they sauntered on to the LOS with so little time left had me seething with rage. I don't know about leadership and pocket awareness though. I think Flacco wasn't really deficient in those areas just because he has a quiet disposition! As for Mallet, his resume consists of 2 games and I think we all need to take a deep breath here...

[usmccharles]

mallets has been in the NFL and his personality is comparable to Brady...

thus far he is on that type of path from a leadership perspective. 

 

what does skills and games played mean? i'm talking personality type being very similar to a proven winner. 

Theres a reason hes a backup..

 

And his personality....not a good one imo and like ive stated numerous times in this thread i know from personal experience.  He feels self entitled about everything and never accepts responsibility for his actions...

[Tru11]

cant believe this thread got 20 pages lol.

 

dude played nice but he aint no franchise QB nor does it appear he will ever be 1 ......

[usmccharles]

cant believe this thread got 20 pages lol.

 

dude played nice but he aint no franchise QB nor does it appear he will ever be 1 ......

But what do you mean....he played one decent game and showed Brady like leadership...

Edited January 11, 2016 by usmccharles