K.O. as trade bait for DL Wilkerson from the Jets?

[Bullrush]

First and foremost, I LOVE K.O. as a player. I think he's a Pro Bowl Guard and has Pro Bowl LT skills/talent/upside. That said, we're pretty much stuck with Eugene Monroe for next year I think because of his contract. Even though he's been injury prone he's still pretty young for a LT and has a bunch of good years left in him if he can manage to stay healthy (big if, I know). But. We need a DL. Pretty bad. Brandon Williams is a terrific run stuffer but we need a force on the edge to help out our pass rush as well, to take some pressure off Elvis, and we don't know what Suggs is going to be next year, or even Elvis. Whether they can still play at a 10+ sacks per year type level.

 

On to Wilkerson. He's a way better version of prime-Trevor Pryce and he's only 25, hasn't even hit HIS prime yet. He fits the scheme perfectly, he can play any position up front in the 3-4 or 4-3 on a Pro Bowl level, so you know what you're getting with him.The Jets are stacked up front, so much that they had to move their other All Pro DE (Richardson) to OLB. So that would definitely make sense for them. They can't pay Wilkerson, Sheldon, Leonard Williams, they have let one walk soon. Now let's look at their LT position, the current starter (Ferguson) is aging and probably gets cut coming off season, and they have absolutely no depth and nobody to take over for him.

 

The other option would be to draft a DL in round 1, re-sign K.O. cut Monroe. And then the Jets probably get Monroe for nothing. Not sure if they can afford to re-sign Wilkerson. In the end I think it would make sense for both teams. Both teams could fill a huge gap on offense/defense with one of the best young talents at their position.

 

LT K.O. + future pick for DL Wilkerson. What say you?

[DenverRaven]

Someone email this to the front office.

[Moderator 3]

You can't trade a free agent.

[DenverRaven]

You can't trade a free agent.

 

Good point. LOL.

[rmw10]

You can't trade a free agent.

 

Boom.  Thread over.

[GrimCoconut]

Well, we could tag KO and trade him but that would make little sense and its occurrence is a rarity.

[jazz1988]

Like someone else said you can't trade a free agent and Wilkerson is in for a big contract maybe too big  for The Ravens to handle. I seen reports that The Jets plan to tag Wilkerson  and want to get a deal done with him

[Cillmatic]

Move over Ozzie! Make way for the Bullrush.

[Winchester]

First and foremost, I LOVE K.O. as a player. I think he's a Pro Bowl Guard and has Pro Bowl LT skills/talent/upside. That said, we're pretty much stuck with Eugene Monroe for next year I think because of his contract. Even though he's been injury prone he's still pretty young for a LT and has a bunch of good years left in him if he can manage to stay healthy (big if, I know). But. We need a DL. Pretty bad. Brandon Williams is a terrific run stuffer but we need a force on the edge to help out our pass rush as well, to take some pressure off Elvis, and we don't know what Suggs is going to be next year, or even Elvis. Whether they can still play at a 10+ sacks per year type level.

 

On to Wilkerson. He's a way better version of prime-Trevor Pryce and he's only 25, hasn't even hit HIS prime yet. He fits the scheme perfectly, he can play any position up front in the 3-4 or 4-3 on a Pro Bowl level, so you know what you're getting with him.The Jets are stacked up front, so much that they had to move their other All Pro DE (Richardson) to OLB. So that would definitely make sense for them. They can't pay Wilkerson, Sheldon, Leonard Williams, they have let one walk soon. Now let's look at their LT position, the current starter (Ferguson) is aging and probably gets cut coming off season, and they have absolutely no depth and nobody to take over for him.

 

The other option would be to draft a DL in round 1, re-sign K.O. cut Monroe. And then the Jets probably get Monroe for nothing. Not sure if they can afford to re-sign Wilkerson. In the end I think it would make sense for both teams. Both teams could fill a huge gap on offense/defense with one of the best young talents at their position.

 

LT K.O. + future pick for DL Wilkerson. What say you?

First off you can't trade a free agent. Then the ravens are set at defensive tackle. The ravens have used a couple high picks for talented tackles. Jernigan is playing very well and should breakout next season. The ravens used a significant pick on Davis and need to get him playing and playing well. Defensive tackle was a loaded position in the recent draft and looks to be loaded again. KO is a very rare player!! Just ask Vince Wilfork who was thrown around by KO. Throw in KO has left tackle athleticism and the ravens have a very rare player and the most physically dominant Olineman in the league. When was the last time the most devastating drive blocking guard in the NFL could play left tackle at a high level?? Probably Larry Allen. Yes I just compared KO to Larry Allen. And I did not forget about Eugene!! Just because he or any player for that matter is under contract does not make him a legit viable option at his position. He has missed more games than played and when he plays he is very average. With his countless injuries he may never return to his top play level. Not that it was anything to write home about anyways. As for trading KO it would need be a far more dominant and rare player than Wilkerson. Players don't take breaks whike playing Wilkerson during the game because of being mauled like Wilfork when he was being ragdolled by KO. Besides the ravens have something special at Oline if a standout left tackle could be drafted. Tunsil or Stanley playing beside Osemele Urschel Yanda Wagner would spark a very prolific and balanced offense that sustains and puts exclamation points on drives. You consistently see so many QBs throwing for well over 300 yards and scoring 13 points!! It is because of no balance and no control at line of scrimmage!! When defense waits on throws it will eventually get a couple picks. But if the OLine dominates the line of scrimmage and mixes run with prolific throws and averages over 5.0 yards a run with prolific throwing, the defense will be off balance and tired from drives and being mauled by the OLine and Gilmore. Not to mention Maxx will be stronger and faster next year to front the ravens a TE tandem that can block and catch very well!! With Maxx being a big play TE on the level of a big receiver. KO just fits better with making ravens great perhaps even historically great at something.

[52520Andrew]

Boom. Thread over.

If he had one more year it would be interesting but yeah

[rmcjacket23]

In addition to knowing that you can't trade a FA, here's several other considerations:

1. Where in the world do we come up with the cap space to franchise or sign Wilkerson? He's at least a $10M a year player.

2. If you franchised tagged KO, you'd have to at least initially have the cap space available to absorb the cap hit. That's north of $12M I believe.

The trade doesn't make sense, and the finances certainly don't make sense.

[Mt. Crushmore]

NYJ needs OL help and has a DL surplus, but there are to many moving parts here. Both KO and Wilkerson would have to be franchise tagged and then traded. Also, the salary cap comes into play and neither team is projected to have a lot of room (especially if they use the tag), so both teams would probably want to have an extension worked out with the player beforehand. 

[Militant X 1]

Boom.  Thread over.

 

Shouldn't have started.

[RavensFanMania]

You can't trade a free agent.

exactly

[JoeyFlex5]

As others have said.. Ko isn't tradeable, and if he was I would hate to see our only current chance of a stable LT traded away to continue to add to what is by far the strongest unit on the team.

That said.. I'm a huge Wilkerson fan and I wanted him badly I the draft and would love to see him here

[Bullrush]

You can't trade a free agent.

 

There's a thing called franchise tag. I'm pretty sure the Jets will do the same with Wilkerson, his contract is also running up.

Edited December 27, 2015 by Bullrush

[Bullrush]

Well, we could tag KO and trade him but that would make little sense and its occurrence is a rarity.

 

I tend to agree but it's only rare because nobody lets 25 year old Pro Bowl caliber players just hit free agency. There's no way you let somebody like K.O. just walk out the door, teams draft guys like that in the top 5-10. You have to get something in return and I'm not interested in a conditional draft pick in the 4th round. At least not when it comes to K.O.

[rmcjacket23]

I tend to agree but it's only rare because nobody lets 25 year old Pro Bowl caliber players just hit free agency. There's no way you let somebody like K.O. just walk out the door, teams draft guys like that in the top 5-10. You have to get something in return and I'm not interested in a conditional draft pick in the 4th round. At least not when it comes to K.O.

He's a guard. Teams rarely spend top 10 picks on guards. You can annually get a really good interior lineman in the middle rounds of drafts, and we've proven that.

We've done this once before. His name was Ben Grubbs. We didn't miss much when he left.

[rmcjacket23]

There's a thing called franchise tag. I'm pretty sure the Jets will do the same with Wilkerson, his contract is also running up.

You also need the cap space to commit $13M to a franchise tag player, which we don't have and won't have.

And then, we'd need more money to sign Wilkerson long term.

Just way too many things wrong to make this deal work. Besides that, I don't even know why the Jets would do this deal when they can just retain Wilkerson.

[GrimCoconut]

I tend to agree but it's only rare because nobody lets 25 year old Pro Bowl caliber players just hit free agency. There's no way you let somebody like K.O. just walk out the door, teams draft guys like that in the top 5-10. You have to get something in return and I'm not interested in a conditional draft pick in the 4th round. At least not when it comes to K.O.

I just don't see it as a realistic move for this team. We just don't do stuff like that. Maybe if we were the Cowboys or another, similar team I could see it. I just don't think it fits our MO. I doubt KO will like it and I think it'll reflect poorly on us and it could be counter productive for player morale. You're essentially removing the player's autonomy in choosing a team, which is very much widely viewed as unethical when they should've been a free agent.

It's not like we re-signed him and traded him a year or two later. This would be a franchise tag placed with the intent of trading him.

[rmcjacket23]

There's a thing called franchise tag. I'm pretty sure the Jets will do the same with Wilkerson, his contract is also running up.

Keep in mind also that the players have the power in this scenario also, since they can elect not to sign the tender. If they don't sign the tender, they can't be traded.

So if you're KO or Wilkerson, why sign the tender when you think you're getting traded? How does that benefit you?