Christmas Mock

[GrimCoconut]

Round 1: Vernon Hargreaves III, CB, Florida

He’s been widely seen as one of the very best CB prospects the past two years, and would’ve likely been the top CB selected last year if he was eligible. He hasn’t demonstrated all the playmaking skills you want, but he’s very good and has leadership, played at a high level for years, and is technically sound.

 

Round 2: Yannick Ngakoue, Edge Defender, Maryland

One of the best OLB in the country, great use of hands, ridiculous first-step, explosive off the ball, and is arguably the most underrated OLB in the country. He played well against quality NFL-offensive linemen and beat many of them. Needs work as a DE but can learn behind Suggs and Dumervil.

 

Round 3: Sterling Shepard, WR, Oklahoma

Shifty and smooth route-runner with great hands with nice/adequate deep speed that should complement what we have in Perriman. Projects as a better and more durable Campanaro.

 

Round 4: Joe Dahl, OT, Washington State

One of the more underrated LTs, allowed one sack all year, nice feet and hands, smooth pass-protector but needs work in run blocking. He could rise after the combine, but this is where he will likely go.

 

Round 4 (Gino Trade): Brandon Facyson, CB, Virginia Tech

A good CB who I think gets lost in the CB shuffle this year, but he’s a competent player I expect we will look at taking as Ozzie Newsome doubles-down on the position after securing Hargreaves

 

Round 4 (McPhee Comp): Kevin Byard, S, Middle Tennessee

I wanted to take a guy like Bell or Thompson, but I think they are gone before we select. I do think one of them could potentially fall because safeties typically don’t go where projected. If Thompson or Bell is here, I would take them but Byard is a good consolation and has a nose for the ball.

 

Round 4 (Smith Comp): Nick Kwiatkowski, ILB, West Virginia

He’s a little light for the position but covers well, can play ST, and is a playmaker who is a good replacement for Arthur Brown/Albert McClellan if either of them aren’t back next year. 

 

PS: It's only the first four rounds. I neglected the two 6th round picks (likely, anyway) and obviously projected McPhee as only a 4th when he may net a 3rd. 

Edited December 25, 2015 by GrimCoconut

[PurpleCity5]

I'm doing flips if we get Hargreaves and Yannick. You already know how I feel about Hargreaves, thats my guy. I'm also a big fan of Yannick though I haven't spoke about him a lot here. I wanna watch more of Shepard personally. I think he's good and I have heard a lot of good things here about him. I've watched a few clips of him but I will probably get around to watching him more.

[GrimCoconut]

I'm doing flips if we get Hargreaves and Yannick. You already know how I feel about Hargreaves, thats my guy. I'm also a big fan of Yannick though I haven't spoke about him a lot here. I wanna watch more of Shepard personally. I think he's good and I have heard a lot of good things here about him. I've watched a few clips of him but I will probably get around to watching him more.

Yeah, I think Ozzie will feel required to fix the secondary two years after having a failing unit regardless of the toll injuries have taken on us. I can't see us justifying the selection of an Ogbah over Hargreaves, regardless of how people feel about Hargreaves. I think Stanley is the only guy I'd take over him. 

[Orange_Peanut]

Round 1: Vernon Hargreaves III, CB, Florida

He’s been widely seen as one of the very best CB prospects the past two years, and would’ve likely been the top CB selected last year if he was eligible. He hasn’t demonstrated all the playmaking skills you want, but he’s very good and has leadership, played at a high level for years, and is technically sound.

 

Round 2: Yannick Ngakoue, Edge Defender, Maryland

One of the best OLB in the country, great use of hands, ridiculous first-step, explosive off the ball, and is arguably the most underrated OLB in the country. He played well against quality NFL-offensive linemen and beat many of them. Needs work as a DE but can learn behind Suggs and Dumervil.

 

Round 3: Sterling Shepard, WR, Oklahoma

Shifty and smooth route-runner with great hands with nice/adequate deep speed that should complement what we have in Perriman. Projects as a better and more durable Campanaro.

 

Round 4: Joe Dahl, OT, Washington State

One of the more underrated LTs, allowed one sack all year, nice feet and hands, smooth pass-protector but needs work in run blocking. He could rise after the combine, but this is where he will likely go.

 

Round 4 (Gino Trade): Brandon Facyson, CB, Virginia Tech

A good CB who I think gets lost in the CB shuffle this year, but he’s a competent player I expect we will look at taking as Ozzie Newsome doubles-down on the position after securing Hargreaves

 

Round 4 (McPhee Comp): Kevin Byard, S, Middle Tennessee

I wanted to take a guy like Bell or Thompson, but I think they are gone before we select. I do think one of them could potentially fall because safeties typically don’t go where projected. If Thompson or Bell is here, I would take them but Byard is a good consolation and has a nose for the ball.

 

Round 4 (Smith Comp): Nick Kwiatkowski, ILB, West Virginia

He’s a little light for the position but covers well, can play ST, and is a playmaker who is a good replacement for Arthur Brown/Albert McClellan if either of them aren’t back next year. 

 

PS: It's only the first four rounds. I neglected the two 6th round picks (likely, anyway) and obviously projected McPhee as only a 4th when he may net a 3rd. 

 

*Ramsey

Ngakoue

Shepard

 

Nonetheless, I'd still be very happy with VH3. Does Shepard not remind you of Stefon Diggs or what?

[Deflated Football]

I like it Grim. Great mock. This plus a solid free agency period would make for a nice looking roster next season.

[Cillmatic]

This would be a perfect draft.

[January J]

Round 1: Vernon Hargreaves III, CB, Florida

He’s been widely seen as one of the very best CB prospects the past two years, and would’ve likely been the top CB selected last year if he was eligible. He hasn’t demonstrated all the playmaking skills you want, but he’s very good and has leadership, played at a high level for years, and is technically sound.

 

Round 2: Yannick Ngakoue, Edge Defender, Maryland

One of the best OLB in the country, great use of hands, ridiculous first-step, explosive off the ball, and is arguably the most underrated OLB in the country. He played well against quality NFL-offensive linemen and beat many of them. Needs work as a DE but can learn behind Suggs and Dumervil.

 

Round 3: Sterling Shepard, WR, Oklahoma

Shifty and smooth route-runner with great hands with nice/adequate deep speed that should complement what we have in Perriman. Projects as a better and more durable Campanaro.

 

Round 4: Joe Dahl, OT, Washington State

One of the more underrated LTs, allowed one sack all year, nice feet and hands, smooth pass-protector but needs work in run blocking. He could rise after the combine, but this is where he will likely go.

 

Round 4 (Gino Trade): Brandon Facyson, CB, Virginia Tech

A good CB who I think gets lost in the CB shuffle this year, but he’s a competent player I expect we will look at taking as Ozzie Newsome doubles-down on the position after securing Hargreaves

 

Round 4 (McPhee Comp): Kevin Byard, S, Middle Tennessee

I wanted to take a guy like Bell or Thompson, but I think they are gone before we select. I do think one of them could potentially fall because safeties typically don’t go where projected. If Thompson or Bell is here, I would take them but Byard is a good consolation and has a nose for the ball.

 

Round 4 (Smith Comp): Nick Kwiatkowski, ILB, West Virginia

He’s a little light for the position but covers well, can play ST, and is a playmaker who is a good replacement for Arthur Brown/Albert McClellan if either of them aren’t back next year. 

 

PS: It's only the first four rounds. I neglected the two 6th round picks (likely, anyway) and obviously projected McPhee as only a 4th when he may net a 3rd.

  

I'm doing flips if we get Hargreaves and Yannick. You already know how I feel about Hargreaves, thats my guy. I'm also a big fan of Yannick though I haven't spoke about him a lot here. I wanna watch more of Shepard personally. I think he's good and I have heard a lot of good things here about him. I've watched a few clips of him but I will probably get around to watching him more.

the absolute ideal scenario would be trading back in the first..still landing vh3..then getting Boyd with original 2nd and Yannick with the extra...and then grabbing bell or Thompson in the third and Dahl in the 4th. How awesome would that be? Would be kind of neglecting the pass rush department but we could focus on that solely in FA. I'm salivating at the possibilities.

[GrimCoconut]

the absolute ideal scenario would be trading back in the first..still landing vh3..then getting Boyd with original 2nd and Yannick with the extra...and then grabbing bell or Thompson in the third and Dahl in the 4th. How awesome would that be? Would be kind of neglecting the pass rush department but we could focus on that solely in FA. I'm salivating at the possibilities.

I'd love to do this but I don't know if we can trade back. It takes two to trade and I'm not sure we'll get such offer.

[GrimCoconut]

*Ramsey

Ngakoue

Shepard

Nonetheless, I'd still be very happy with VH3. Does Shepard not remind you of Stefon Diggs or what?

Yeah, I can see the Diggs comp.

 

I forgot to say that I'm not sure we take Ramsey over Hargreaves. Ozzie really does like the SEC. I think he would go with Hargreaves over Ramsey, honestly. 

Edited December 25, 2015 by GrimCoconut

[thieverycorporation]

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[PurpleCity5]

  the absolute ideal scenario would be trading back in the first..still landing vh3..then getting Boyd with original 2nd and Yannick with the extra...and then grabbing bell or Thompson in the third and Dahl in the 4th. How awesome would that be? Would be kind of neglecting the pass rush department but we could focus on that solely in FA. I'm salivating at the possibilities.

I don't know if we can trade back either. It a stronger draft sure, but not in this draft and If no one is giving me an extra 1st then I'm telling them peace and just select Hargreaves. 

[January J]

I don't know if we can trade back either. It a stronger draft sure, but not in this draft and If no one is giving me an extra 1st then I'm telling them peace and just select Hargreaves.

yeah but with several qb needy teams behind us it's a decent possibility. St. Louis, San Fran , even Dallas and New Orleans is possible. Like I said before- after the combine and pro day there's always several qbs that shoot up in the ranks and their talent gets severely exaggerated.

[Dewy101]

I don't see the top level talent in Hargreaves. He got smoked by Cooper last year and Calvin Ridley just tore him to shreds. Anyway where's the Carl Lawson love?

[GrimCoconut]

I don't see the top level talent in Hargreaves. He got smoked by Cooper last year and Calvin Ridley just tore him to shreds. Anyway where's the Carl Lawson love?

Those are really the only two who gave him trouble. He's also consistently done it. I get it that you may not like him but this is what I expect Ozzie to do. Ozzie does favor the SEC. I think he'll value Hargreaves as a result and because he's been consistent.

As for Carl Lawson, I think he's the Lawson I still haven't watched.

[PurpleCity5]

yeah but with several qb needy teams behind us it's a decent possibility. St. Louis, San Fran , even Dallas and New Orleans is possible. Like I said before- after the combine and pro day there's always several qbs that shoot up in the ranks and their talent gets severely exaggerated.

I personally don't believe either of the top QBs are worth selling a lot for but you do have a point. St.Louis looks like a team desperate for a QB, same can be said about San Fran. The problem with San Francisco for me is that they would only trade up if they feel worried that another team is planning on jumping on Goff, if they feel confident another team won't, then they will just wait it out. 

 

With that said, unless its for a first round pick, I'm staying put, I don't think anyone else that we would pick later has the elite talent of Tunsil, Bosa, Hargreaves, or Stanley. Unless we are getting a first in return, I don't want us to put ourselves in range out of those guys. 

[GrimCoconut]

I personally don't believe either of the top QBs are worth selling a lot for but you do have a point. St.Louis looks like a team desperate for a QB, same can be said about San Fran. The problem with San Francisco for me is that they would only trade up if they feel worried that another team is planning on jumping on Goff, if they feel confident another team won't, then they will just wait it out.

With that said, unless its for a first round pick, I'm staying put, I don't think anyone else that we would pick later has the elite talent of Tunsil, Bosa, Hargreaves, or Stanley. Unless we are getting a first in return, I don't want us to put ourselves in range out of those guys.

I think I'd take a second round pick. Can't go wrong loading up. It all depends on who's available

[January J]

I think I'd take a second round pick. Can't go wrong loading up. It all depends on who's available

id consider a 2nd for sure. If that makes the difference in us getting Boyd or Yannick I'm all for it. One player can change the entire course of the franchise and one of those guys could be it. I always remind myself that Antonio brown was a 6th rounder. That says all you need to know. It's not always where you pick..it's about nailing the pick you got and choosing the right player. And if we can get Stanley , Boyd and Yannick all before round 3 I would say that would be a HUGE success. Especially if we then nab one of the sleeper guys like bell or Thompson in round 3. That would literally be every single need in 3 rounds. I know we usually go BPA but it just might work out that those guys are all BPA anyway. BPA of need ofcourse. Edited December 26, 2015 by January J

[JoeyFlex5]

Very Ozzie like draft and that is a killing in the 4th

[PurpleCity5]

I think I'd take a second round pick. Can't go wrong loading up. It all depends on who's available

I'd consider going from Hargreaves/Stanley to bottom ten a big downgrade. It makes me hesitant to do it. 

[Dewy101]

Those are really the only two who gave him trouble. He's also consistently done it. I get it that you may not like him but this is what I expect Ozzie to do. Ozzie does favor the SEC. I think he'll value Hargreaves as a result and because he's been consistent.

As for Carl Lawson, I think he's the Lawson I still haven't watched.

I agree that Hargreaves is athletically gifted but he doesn't have it put together, I think its high risk high reward drafting him in the top 5 he reminds me way too much of Justin Gilbert. Lawson may be the best pure pass rushing OLB to come out since Von Miller. He's just so smooth and gets pressure effortlessly. If it weren't were for the injuries we're probably talking about a top 5 pick.

[ravefan52]

I agree that Hargreaves is athletically gifted but he doesn't have it put together, I think its high risk high reward drafting him in the top 5 he reminds me way too much of Justin Gilbert. Lawson may be the best pure pass rushing OLB to come out since Von Miller. He's just so smooth and gets pressure effortlessly. If it weren't were for the injuries we're probably talking about a top 5 pick.

I love Carl Lawson so much. It's really too bad about those constant injuries because man can he can play. If he can stay healthy though someone could get a huge steal.

[ravefan52]

Shepard is one of my favorite guys. I do think he'll rise and our 3rd rounder is a more realistic spot for him

[GrimCoconut]

I agree that Hargreaves is athletically gifted but he doesn't have it put together, I think its high risk high reward drafting him in the top 5 he reminds me way too much of Justin Gilbert. Lawson may be the best pure pass rushing OLB to come out since Von Miller. He's just so smooth and gets pressure effortlessly. If it weren't were for the injuries we're probably talking about a top 5 pick.

I disagree with your Gilbert comparison. He doesn't compare to him. Gilbert was much more unrefined as a player. Hargreaves is refined in his technique and really only has questions on his play making and deep speed. These were two areas where people saw Gilbert as exceptional.

[Robbyrobbass]

LT is our biggest need im sure Ozzie would get one of the two in the 1st rd

[Clmraven]

I agree that Hargreaves is athletically gifted but he doesn't have it put together, I think its high risk high reward drafting him in the top 5 he reminds me way too much of Justin Gilbert. Lawson may be the best pure pass rushing OLB to come out since Von Miller. He's just so smooth and gets pressure effortlessly. If it weren't were for the injuries we're probably talking about a top 5 pick.

I don't agree with that Hargreaves Has the best technique of any corner coming out in the last few years, he's not just an athlete. He's the whole package. Justin Gilbert had questions of his technique coming out Hargreaves has virtually none.

[GrimCoconut]

LT is our biggest need im sure Ozzie would get one of the two in the 1st rd

I wavered with this decision. I could easily see Ozzie take Tunsil or Stanley over Hargreaves and haven't ruled it out. I just think highly of Dahl and think Ozzie may roll the dice as I think we'll re-sign KO. Have you seen Dahl? That's not rhetorical. I really like his ability to pass protect. He's pretty smooth in his ability here. Edited December 26, 2015 by GrimCoconut

[BmoreBird22]

I'd honestly be very surprised to see Facyson there in the fourth, but I would be thrilled nonetheless.

[Orange_Peanut]

Yeah, I can see the Diggs comp.

 

I forgot to say that I'm not sure we take Ramsey over Hargreaves. Ozzie really does like the SEC. I think he would go with Hargreaves over Ramsey, honestly. 

I honestly don't think conference matters in this case. Ozzie has definitely been eyeing the FSU defense for a couple years now after the stellar defense FSU had in 2013 when Ramsey was a freshman at safety and after we drafted Jernigan and Brooks in that same year. Statistically FSU and LSU have had the best DB prospects in the country since 2013 Draft with FSU having Xavier Rhodes, Joyner, Darby and LSU having Tyrann Mathieu and Eric Reid. I don't think there have been any notable Gator DBs since 2013. If a were Ozzie I think I would've lost some faith in the Florida Gator prospects after Elam, but that's just me. 

 

Anyways, having a good safety prospect is rare nowadays, but having a good safety who is versatile enough to be an exceptional CB is pretty much unheard of. Ramsey has the two traits you look in a good safety: tough and smart, but Ramsey's added bonus that makes him stand out and special is his intangibles (instincts and swagger). You can say that Ramsey's flaws is that he's not a ballhawk (which I will admit his hands aren't great, but with his athleticism he is bound to be a playmaker and cause turnovers) and that he gambles too much (but isn't that what made Ed Reed great?). Other than Ramsey's need to slightly bulk up, Ramsey is the prototypical safety with 6'1" frame who can blitz and cover and can jump out of the gym (the guy holds the third best long-jump in school history and could be on the Olympic team tomorrow if his heart very so pleased) which could be a valuable asset on special teams blocking punts and FG. Ramsey can be a game-changer (or -wrecker) on two fronts of the game (defense and ST) and has all the measurables and immeasurables. What more can you ask for in a DB prospect?

[GrimCoconut]

I honestly don't think conference matters in this case. Ozzie has definitely been eyeing the FSU defense for a couple years now after the stellar defense FSU had in 2013 when Ramsey was a freshman at safety and after we drafted Jernigan and Brooks in that same year. Statistically FSU and LSU have had the best DB prospects in the country since 2013 Draft with FSU having Xavier Rhodes, Joyner, Darby and LSU having Tyrann Mathieu and Eric Reid. I don't think there have been any notable Gator DBs since 2013. If a were Ozzie I think I would've lost some faith in the Florida Gator prospects after Elam, but that's just me.

Anyways, having a good safety prospect is rare nowadays, but having a good safety who is versatile enough to be an exceptional CB is pretty much unheard of. Ramsey has the two traits you look in a good safety: tough and smart, but Ramsey's added bonus that makes him stand out and special is his intangibles (instincts and swagger). You can say that Ramsey's flaws is that he's not a ballhawk (which I will admit his hands aren't great, but with his athleticism he is bound to be a playmaker and cause turnovers) and that he gambles too much (but isn't that what made Ed Reed great?). Other than Ramsey's need to slightly bulk up, Ramsey is the prototypical safety with 6'1" frame who can blitz and cover and can jump out of the gym (the guy holds the third best long-jump in school history and could be on the Olympic team tomorrow if his heart very so pleased) which could be a valuable asset on special teams blocking punts and FG. Ramsey can be a game-changer (or -wrecker) on two fronts of the game (defense and ST) and has all the measurables and immeasurables. What more can you ask for in a DB prospect?

I see by your avatar you're not at all biased. Ozzie favors FSU? That's interesting since he's only taken Jernigan and Brooks recently and both came from the same draft. That hardly seems like him favoring one program. Look at his recent first round/first draft picks. He's taken Perriman, Mosley, Elam, Upshaw, Smith, Oher, and Grubbs. Only two of them didn't come from the SEC.

[PurpleCity5]

Shepard is one of my favorite guys. I do think he'll rise and our 3rd rounder is a more realistic spot for him

Watched some film and I have become a fan of his as well. I think he would be a great fit for this team and would give us a return man on top of that.