New Defense Next Year

[Tru11]

Yeah, I agree that shaking things up isn't always a good idea but I think if we can find someone better then we should. I wouldn't replace him for a worse coordinator but I'd certainly take a lateral move. I don't think his message is effective with the players. Sometimes they're motivated and sometimes they're not. I've never seen this more evident than against the Steelers. When the players are motivated they play harder than anything.

Ted Monachino is the likeliest replacement followed by those outside the team. I don't think learning the system is as important as getting a coordinator who keeps it simple. I personally prefer we go outside the team but if we promote Ted that obviously opens another hole but that'll likely happen regardless. We need better coaching in the secondary for sure.

 

monachino has 0 experience as a DC and also 0 experience installing a new scheme and we also have no idea what his philosophy will be or if he even has 1.

 

its really going to be a leap of faith lol.

 

personally i like austin , pagano, rex , zimmer, horton , sutton , bettcher or crenel.

 

doubt either of them will be an option.

 

dont know about college coaches though.

If The Ravens are planning to move on from  Dean Pees than expect them to promote some one currently already on their coaching staff. If not that then they could bring in a guy that's familar with their defensive system like Greg Mattison, Mike Nolan,and etc.

 

dear god not mattison lol.

nolan not sure , might work.

 

from with in , i dont really know TBH.

dont think any of our current coaches have experience installing a scheme and calling plays as a DC.

 

martindale is the only guy who has some experience but judging by his career it was not really succesfull lol.

 

might work but could be a huge game while also risking not much change tbh.

he came on board with us when pees became the DC so he is pretty much only familiar with out scheme and pees philosophy,

 

Right I'm not saying there ed reed... But you can't say will doesn't have range I mean just look what he did in ny

 

what exactly did he do in NY that proves that he does have range and why has it not show up here?

 

he does not appear to me to be really that fast at all though.

 

he looks good coming up blowing plays up in the back field and on short routes.

he looks pretty bad when it comes to defending plays deep.

[Wildabeast88]

did you watch that game?

 

3  of their TDs where considered deep passes.

 

id say we lost to them because we had a PS caliber CB as a starter and a SS playing nickle with the other starting CB being not healthy.

did not help we had 2 safeties who arent exactly those with a lot of range and then pass rush not having any succes getting pressure.

 

could even mention the 2 INTs on offense who yes where crucial but id say the offense did more then their part and thus does not deserve much blame.

The Edelman pass yes but all he and Amendola did was catch 5 yard outs and slants

[Tru11]

The Edelman pass yes but all he and Amendola did was catch 5 yard outs and slants

 

you think elam and melvin would have locked them down in press coverage?

[Cillmatic]

Might be time to rethink some of our opinions.

Believe it. The #Ravens have NFL's best pass defense since Week 10. Pees: "It looked terrible. Now, we're not."

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/bs-sp-ravens-defense-offseason-0101-20151231-story.html

It's an enigma, I just want change. It's obvious that things aren't working. The defense has never been dependable with him.

[Wildabeast88]

Not playing 10 yards off on 3rd and 4

[GrimCoconut]

Not playing 10 yards off on 3rd and 4

We're still playing off man plenty.

[FlocksGottaFeed]

The defense and offense have an inseparable relationship. Long drives from the offense allows better outcomes from the defense. 3 and outs from the defense allows better field position for the offense in better outcomes.

 

Our defense doesn't need a complete makeover. It needs better outcomes. It's hard to know what will bring those outcomes. It could be more play-makers on offense and defense, different coaching schemes, continuity and/or adjusting/raising the aptitude of team overall. Continuity has been proven to be the most important ingredient to that success.

 

imo - We don't need a 'new' defense right now. We just need to shake the 'Curse of 2015' where everything that could have happened - happened for the worst. After which, maybe we can get a truer assessment of the state of the Ravens overall.

[The Raven]

Mario Williams is getting cut, good god how great would it be if he came here. Seems totally doubtful but man he would help a whole lot. 

 

Yeah we really need another over-30 pass rusher right now.

[JoeyFlex5]

I think pees just needs to go, we will see another revolving door of defensive starters, and if pees and his system are still here then we will have another season where guys look absolutely lost and then start somewhat coming together at the end. His system just seems like it's not simple enough for a team that doesn't have the cap space to keep our 11 together long enough to gel. I've seen pees call some brilliant games, I've had moments where I thought he was one of the better dcs in the league, but as of now it appears obvious, that he just doesn't mesh with what we need to do. We need a guy who can put a system in place where guys can come in and feel comfortable. We don't have that with pees

[PurpleCity5]

Za'Darius Smith turned up the Heat against the Bengals, and forced Andrew Whitworth into a pretty bad game. I have to say that I feel pretty good about him. I really believe he can be our next great OLB, if we just add another vet and rookie pass rusher, we'll be really good in that department, especially with Timmy. 

[ravensdfan]

Yeah you do have a point there, coaches lose their jobs all the time, I think the guy is gone. 

I think he stays unless his contract truly is up. Harbs is that kind of guy sadly.

[PurpleCity5]

I think he stays unless his contract truly is up. Harbs is that kind of guy sadly.

I don't know if its for a fact that he stays, in a 5-11 season guys lose their jobs. When we went 8-8 we fired Will Montgomery, we're talking a 5-11 season so I don't think we'll go into next season with the same coaching staff. 

[ravensdfan]

I don't know if its for a fact that he stays, in a 5-11 season guys lose their jobs. When we went 8-8 we fired Will Montgomery, we're talking a 5-11 season so I don't think we'll go into next season with the same coaching staff. 

I hope you're right. Not sure I have another year of watching Pees defense blow 4th quarter leads in me.

[ClintLB8]

I kind of stopped sifting through the pages of comments so, someone could've already mentioned this but Alabama runs a 3-4 much like the Ravens currently do. Their JACK (stand up defensive end) is used in a very similar way that Suggs is used as our 3-4 "Rush" linebacker. They are defined as a 3-4 OLB but really, their hand is in the dirt and coming off the edge so much that really, they are a 4-3 end. 

 

There is no way Suggs could play WLB in a 4-3. Your ideal weakside linebacker in a 4-3 is a Lavonte David (6-1 234) or Sean Lee (6-2 235). Suggs would do fine as a 4-3 defensive end because it would basically be the same thing he is doing now. Dumervil did just fine when the Broncos switched to a 4-3 if I'm not mistaken (although, he has aged and probably would do better in a more limited role).

 

LE: Brent Urban (early downs - kick inside on passing downs), Terrell Suggs

DT: Carl Davis (early downs), Timmy Jernigan (passing downs)

NT: Brandon Williams (early downs), Brent Urban (passing downs)

RE: ZaDarius Smith, Elvis Dumervil (pass rush specialist)

SLB: Daryl Smith

MLB: CJ Mosley, Zach Orr

WLB: Arthur Brown

 

This is how our current personnel would fit but I definitely see both OLB spots being potential weaknesses. I do feel like Brown could play better as a true 4-3 WLB but, I wouldn't bank on that and Smith use to be a really underrated SLB in Jacksonville's 4-3 but he is a lot older and I'm not sure how he would hold up. One guy who would help tremendously? Jaylon Smith. Myles Jack would too, but I'm not sure he would be a target in the top 10. Jaylon Smith could fall to our 2nd round pick with his injury. Here are a couple free agents that would fit at WLB for us:

 

Zach Brown, Titans

Demario Davis, Jets

Vincent Rey, Bengals

 

Strong-Side OLB candidates:

 

Bruce Irvin, Seahawks 

[usmccharles]

Bruce Irvin, Seahawks

I definitely don't think we will be able to afford him

[The Raven]

I kind of stopped sifting through the pages of comments so, someone could've already mentioned this but Alabama runs a 3-4 much like the Ravens currently do. Their JACK (stand up defensive end) is used in a very similar way that Suggs is used as our 3-4 "Rush" linebacker. They are defined as a 3-4 OLB but really, their hand is in the dirt and coming off the edge so much that really, they are a 4-3 end. 

 

There is no way Suggs could play WLB in a 4-3. Your ideal weakside linebacker in a 4-3 is a Lavonte David (6-1 234) or Sean Lee (6-2 235). Suggs would do fine as a 4-3 defensive end because it would basically be the same thing he is doing now. Dumervil did just fine when the Broncos switched to a 4-3 if I'm not mistaken (although, he has aged and probably would do better in a more limited role).

 

LE: Brent Urban (early downs - kick inside on passing downs), Terrell Suggs

DT: Carl Davis (early downs), Timmy Jernigan (passing downs)

NT: Brandon Williams (early downs), Brent Urban (passing downs)

RE: ZaDarius Smith, Elvis Dumervil (pass rush specialist)

SLB: Daryl Smith

MLB: CJ Mosley, Zach Orr

WLB: Arthur Brown

 

This is how our current personnel would fit but I definitely see both OLB spots being potential weaknesses. I do feel like Brown could play better as a true 4-3 WLB but, I wouldn't bank on that and Smith use to be a really underrated SLB in Jacksonville's 4-3 but he is a lot older and I'm not sure how he would hold up. One guy who would help tremendously? Jaylon Smith. Myles Jack would too, but I'm not sure he would be a target in the top 10. Jaylon Smith could fall to our 2nd round pick with his injury. Here are a couple free agents that would fit at WLB for us:

 

Zach Brown, Titans

Demario Davis, Jets

Vincent Rey, Bengals

 

Strong-Side OLB candidates:

 

Bruce Irvin, Seahawks 

 

Looking at that lineup, I don't see a reason to stick with the current scheme. That looks deadly.

[Inqui]

Looking at that lineup, I don't see a reason to stick with the current scheme. That looks deadly.

With Lovie Smith or Jim Schwartz running it? I'd be down for that.

[CalvinSmoke]

With Lovie Smith or Jim Schwartz running it? I'd be down for that.

I'd vote for Lovie off of reputation but I'm not sure if it would truly be a good thing

[atomicfront]

Hey, when you suck at your job, you're going to get canned. Same goes for you and I. Pees is an awful DC and deserves the boot.

 

If he was awful he wouldn't have been to two super bowls as a defensive coordinator.  He might not be the best in the league but to call him awful is ridiculous. 

[JEEPercreepermd]

This. I'm looking to see the progression of not only Urban, but Carl Davis as well. 

 

I wouldn't mind him coming back. Definitely has been playing better since his debacle @ SF. If anything, he'd be good depth. 

 

I definitely think Wright could come back next year, there's also Will Davis as an option as well. He played pretty well until he tore the acl too. 

[JEEPercreepermd]

I don't see the need to change schemes. This has been an on/off debate for YEARS. Thing is that we are more of a hybrid defense than a traditional 3-4 or 4-3 anyway, so it would be more semantics than anything so why even change?