New Defense Next Year

[CalvinSmoke]

its easy to tell players to jump routes when you have the greatest safety ever playing centre field.

 

its borderline insane if you tell your players to that when you have with all due respect kendrick lewis there or a not that range having will hill.

 

i dont think some of you guys understand how talents like ed and reed can dictate what you can do and not having guys like that can limit you.

 

you need players with a high football IQ to do certain things.

I'm guessing this wasn't directed to me right? lol but either way yea, your right. Though at the end of Ed's career he and Pees worked well, Ed had the skills obviously to prevent coverage breakdowns but he couldn't tackle anymore lol so he gave up big plays that way. Pees has been doomed from the start. (not really useful information just throwing it out there)

[Tru11]

I'm guessing this wasn't directed to me right? lol but either way yea, your right. Though at the end of Ed's career he and Pees worked well, Ed had the skills obviously to prevent coverage breakdowns but he couldn't tackle anymore lol so he gave up big plays that way. Pees has been doomed from the start. (not really useful information just throwing it out there)

nah lol

 

i just quoted since you mention rex and pagano so the other person could see why i used that example.

 

yeah agreed on what you say about the doomed part.

[JoeyFlex5]

Well go figure. We actually have the LEAST amount of defensive penalty yards (that is, if I'm reading that right).

that... I just don't believe that...

[DomMcRaven]

that... I just don't believe that...

Yeah, I'm not sure I read that right. So I went to this website http://www.nflpenalties.com/. Apparently, we have the least amount of beneficiary yards. Wow...

[PurpleCity5]

Mario Williams is getting cut, good god how great would it be if he came here. Seems totally doubtful but man he would help a whole lot. 

[CalvinSmoke]

Mario Williams is getting cut, good god how great would it be if he came here. Seems totally doubtful but man he would help a whole lot.

I guess the Jets

[PurpleCity5]

I guess the Jets

Yeah, it makes sense for them, Muhammad Wilkerson may be too pricey for them. We are stacked at DE so getting one wouldn't make sense opposite edge rusher, but Williams is such a natural pass rusher. 

[GrimCoconut]

I don't think Williams wants to play OLB so I'm not sure how he'll fit unless we use him in a situational role.

[RaineV1]

I don't think Williams wants to play OLB so I'm not sure how he'll fit unless we use him in a situational role.

He could just be an interior pash rusher used in Nickle formation. I doubt we have the money for him, and I don't think he'd just want to be a situational player, but it could potentially work.

[gabrielgrissom]

its easy to tell players to jump routes when you have the greatest safety ever playing centre field.

 

its borderline insane if you tell your players to that when you have with all due respect kendrick lewis there or a not that range having will hill.

 

i dont think some of you guys understand how talents like ed and reed can dictate what you can do and not having guys like that can limit you.

 

you need players with a high football IQ to do certain things.

And I see where your coming from but I mean thrill its not like he doesn't have range

[asteroid]

If Chuck Pagano is fired Harbaugh should hire him back as the defensive backs coach. Best DB coach in  the NFL.

[Inqui]

If Chuck Pagano is fired Harbaugh should hire him back as the defensive backs coach. Best DB coach in  the NFL.

I'd love to have him back as a DB coach, but I see him getting plenty of HC offers. And if he somehow doesn't get another HC job, there's no way he gets hired as anything less than a DC.

[GrimCoconut]

I'd love to have him back as a DB coach, but I see him getting plenty of HC offers. And if he somehow doesn't get another HC job, there's no way he gets hired as anything less than a DC.

He may not want to be a head coach anymore. He may supposedly retire. He may not want to be a DC. Who knows but we'll certainly see. I'd bring him back as a DC or DB coach if he wants

[Inqui]

He may not want to be a head coach anymore. He may supposedly retire. He may not want to be a DC. Who knows but we'll certainly see. I'd bring him back as a DC or DB coach if he wants

I'd love to see him back as a DC or DB coach, but he's going to have so any more options in front of him that personally I'm not counting on it.

[asteroid]

I'd love to have him back as a DB coach, but I see him getting plenty of HC offers. And if he somehow doesn't get another HC job, there's no way he gets hired as anything less than a DC.

Could be but how long did it take Spagnuolo to get back to DC. Also Hue Jackson just got back to being an OC. Ravens could bring him in as assistant head coach / defensive assistant or something like that and when Pees retires move him to DC. Ozzie can pull it off.

[GrimCoconut]

I'd love to see him back as a DC or DB coach, but he's going to have so any more options in front of him that personally I'm not counting on it.

Maybe, but if he does return to coaching I wouldn't rule out him returning to a positional coaching role. Plenty of examples for both cases here.

[Tru11]

And I see where your coming from but I mean thrill its not like he doesn't have range

 

neither hill or lewis has though.

 

neither is close to what ed reed was

[Wildabeast88]

Well go figure. We actually have the LEAST amount of defensive penalty yards (that is, if I'm reading that right).

That can't be right all I see is penalties on our D

[Wildabeast88]

im sorry but you say want us to get beat deep?

 

a coach telling his players dont get beat deep seems like a very good thing to me.

 

im quite sure every DC in the league put emphasis on that lol.

it is to a point when it's 3rd and 4 and you play 10 yards off it is not that's why we lost to NE in playoffs last year.

[Wildabeast88]

I'd love to have him back as a DB coach, but I see him getting plenty of HC offers. And if he somehow doesn't get another HC job, there's no way he gets hired as anything less than a DC.

Fire Pees hire Pagano

[gtalk12]

I don't think Pagano would come back, has a D-Cord or O-Cord ever left and come back? doesn't matter the team

[Tru11]

it is to a point when it's 3rd and 4 and you play 10 yards off it is not that's why we lost to NE in playoffs last year.

 

did you watch that game?

 

3  of their TDs where considered deep passes.

 

id say we lost to them because we had a PS caliber CB as a starter and a SS playing nickle with the other starting CB being not healthy.

did not help we had 2 safeties who arent exactly those with a lot of range and then pass rush not having any succes getting pressure.

 

could even mention the 2 INTs on offense who yes where crucial but id say the offense did more then their part and thus does not deserve much blame.

Edited January 1, 2016 by Tru11

[GrimCoconut]

I don't think Pagano would come back, has a D-Cord or O-Cord ever left and come back? doesn't matter the team

It's happened but it's not common. If you mean here, I can't recall any returning but I wouldn't rule it out because of history as it can change. Coordinators have returned to other teams after leaving, however, such as McDaniels after he left the Patriots for the Broncos and LeBeau after he left the Steelers to work for the Bengals HC and then eventually returned. It happens.

[GrimCoconut]

did you watch that game?

3 of their TDs where considered deep passes.

id say we lost to them because we had a PS caliber CB as a starter and a SS playing nickle with the other starting CB being not healthy.

did not help we had 2 safeties who arent exactly those with a lot of range and then pass rush not having any succes getting pressure.

I don't disagree with you in your premise but do you want Pees back? Honest question here. I'm sure you'll say something like "we can do worse" and I think you're right, but I'm personally ready for change. Sometimes a fresh start is what you need.

That said, when does his contract expire? I know he signed on here in 2011 as a LB coach and became DC in 2012. I can't find how long his contract was. He may even be a free agent coach this offseason.

[Tru11]

I don't disagree with you in your premise but do you want Pees back? Honest question here. I'm sure you'll say something like "we can do worse" and I think you're right, but I'm personally ready for change. Sometimes a fresh start is what you need.

That said, when does his contract expire? I know he signed on here in 2011 as a LB coach and became DC in 2012. I can't find how long his contract was. He may even be a free agent coach this offseason.

 

TBH it simply depends on the options.

 

if there is a better realistic option then im all for it.

 

if not or we are just going to just go out there and take a risk on some new guy, id be hesitant TBH.

 

going a new way means everything the players learned and got used to will again be reset completely and thus we will start from 0 again.

we would at least need veteran position coaches to put some experience on the coaching staff.

 

brooks is our most experience coach and well you can see our Dline is heads up the best group on defense while hilariously is the cheapest position group in the NFL lol

 

Im never a fan of drastic measures cause if you look at teams like the browns and such , you will see its not a recipe for success.

 

 

BTW i think his contract is up after this season.

Edited January 1, 2016 by Tru11

[GrimCoconut]

TBH it simply depends on the options.

if there is a better realistic option then im all for it.

if not or we are just going to just go out there and take a risk on some new guy, id be hesitant TBH.

going a new way means everything the players learned and got used to will again be reset completely and thus we will start from 0 again.

we would at least need veteran position coaches to put some experience on the coaching staff.

brooks is our most experience coach and well you can see our Dline is heads up the best group on defense while hilariously is the cheapest position group in the NFL lol

Im never a fan of drastic measures cause if you look at teams like the browns and such , you will see its not a recipe for success.

BTW i think his contract is up after this season.

Yeah, I agree that shaking things up isn't always a good idea but I think if we can find someone better then we should. I wouldn't replace him for a worse coordinator but I'd certainly take a lateral move. I don't think his message is effective with the players. Sometimes they're motivated and sometimes they're not. I've never seen this more evident than against the Steelers. When the players are motivated they play harder than anything.

Ted Monachino is the likeliest replacement followed by those outside the team. I don't think learning the system is as important as getting a coordinator who keeps it simple. I personally prefer we go outside the team but if we promote Ted that obviously opens another hole but that'll likely happen regardless. We need better coaching in the secondary for sure.

[jazz1988]

TBH it simply depends on the options.

 

if there is a better realistic option then im all for it.

 

if not or we are just going to just go out there and take a risk on some new guy, id be hesitant TBH.

 

going a new way means everything the players learned and got used to will again be reset completely and thus we will start from 0 again.

we would at least need veteran position coaches to put some experience on the coaching staff.

 

brooks is our most experience coach and well you can see our Dline is heads up the best group on defense while hilariously is the cheapest position group in the NFL lol

 

Im never a fan of drastic measures cause if you look at teams like the browns and such , you will see its not a recipe for success.

 

 

BTW i think his contract is up after this season.

 

 

If The Ravens are planning to move on from  Dean Pees than expect them to promote some one currently already on their coaching staff. If not that then they could bring in a guy that's familar with their defensive system like Greg Mattison, Mike Nolan,and etc.

[gabrielgrissom]

neither hill or lewis has though.

 

neither is close to what ed reed was

Right I'm not saying there ed reed... But you can't say will doesn't have range I mean just look what he did in ny

[Moderator 3]

Might be time to rethink some of our opinions.

Believe it. The #Ravens have NFL's best pass defense since Week 10. Pees: "It looked terrible. Now, we're not."

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/bs-sp-ravens-defense-offseason-0101-20151231-story.html

[Dr. Kelley]

Might be time to rethink some of our opinions.

Believe it. The #Ravens have NFL's best pass defense since Week 10. Pees: "It looked terrible. Now, we're not."

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/bs-sp-ravens-defense-offseason-0101-20151231-story.html

Lol we used to strive for excellence

Since the superbowl we've settled for mediocrity

So why not, may as well keep pees

Cheetos fingers stayed awake for a few games once his job was on the line, now he is buddy ryan