Snap distribution for the young guys

[spitfire418]

You're saying some of the same things, but there are some important differences.  Pees has clearly demonstrated by action the exact pecking order at FS.  It's:

 

1.  Webb

2.  Lewis

3.  Hill

4-6.  Trawick, Levine, Brooks in an order not demonstrated recently.

 

First of all, Lewis' contract is not being considered as a reason to play him now.  The Ravens have some option value there, but will cut bait if they have to.  How do I know?  Because they've recently signed Hill to a much larger contract and have already started sitting him for a number of passing snaps.  If they'll ignore that sunk cost, they'll certainly ignore it for a smaller contract like Lewis'.

 

Hill played just 47 of 66 meaningful snaps versus Seattle and Lewis just 57.  When Webb moved to safety, who was replacing Hill?  It was effectively Kyle Arrington, who entered at corner for 14 snaps (6 quarter where both safeties were on and 8 nickel with Hill out).  The other snaps missed by the Lewis and Hill went to Wright when Webb moved to safety in a standard alignment with one of the other safeties and Smith/Wright at corner.

 

I suspect Pees and Harbaugh are upset with the safeties for the absurd total of 0 tip-drill interceptions (no interceptions where the first Ravens to touch the ball didn't do the intercepting) this season for the whole team.  It's a serious weakness of both players that they can't anticipate or position for tips/overthrows and those 2 have the largest responsibility for such plays.  And that weakness comes despite the fact they have been far from the worst defensive players on the team.

Brooks isn't 4-6 on the FS depth chart or "order", he's second. That's why he will come in if Lewis goes down. He may possibly come in if Hill went down, but we don't know yet (Hill has stayed healthy). They just started trying out Webb at FS a couple of games ago. It's not like he is our FS or one of them really. They are just putting a player that has done good things for us in a position to succeed as in slot corner and FS instead of being an full-time outside corner which he can't really play well at anymore. Also, I just think the reason Brooks doesn't get to play at FS is because of Lewis and his experience and what they signed him to be. The coaches (Harbaugh) seem to love his personality too, which obviously doesn't help him on the field lol. Plus they wanted to have just two starting safeties instead of the rotation thing which knocked Brooks out of any playing time. Things like inexperience and injuries have also factored into that though. All in all the coaches wouldn't bench Lewis for Brooks no matter how well he played in practice, that's just the truth.

[Filmstudy]

Brooks isn't 4-6 on the FS depth chart or "order", he's second. That's why he will come in if Lewis goes down. He may possibly come in if Hill went down, but we don't know yet (Hill has stayed healthy). They just started trying out Webb at FS a couple of games ago. It's not like he is our FS or one of them really. They are just putting a player that has done good things for us in a position to succeed as in slot corner and FS instead of being an full-time outside corner which he can't really play well at anymore. Also, I just think the reason Brooks doesn't get to play at FS is because of Lewis and his experience and what they signed him to be. The coaches (Harbaugh) seem to love his personality too, which obviously doesn't help him on the field lol. Plus they wanted to have just two starting safeties instead of the rotation thing which knocked Brooks out of any playing time. Things like inexperience and injuries have also factored into that though. All in all the coaches wouldn't bench Lewis for Brooks no matter how well he played in practice, that's just the truth.

 

I'd love for Brooks to replace Lewis, but they've done that for exactly 13 of his whopping 55 snaps this season (12 vs. Cincy and 1 for injury in this last game).  The rest of his time has been at nickel (36 snaps vs Cle) and as a spy in the quarter vs. Seattle (6 snaps).  Prior to Smith's injury last week, Webb had 28 safety snaps versus Seattle and a number of 4-DB safety snaps versus Miami and Cleveland.

 

It could change with injuries (we just saw Harbaugh/Pees go back on the no-more-Webb-outside plan with Smith's injury), but I don't think the empirical evidence suggests Brooks gets Lewis' spot if he's hurt.  Look back to last year if you'd like evidence of the willingness to rotate through a lot of players who were just OK at safety. For him not to get a shot to this point tells me he hasn't shown enough in practice to earn one.

[spitfire418]

I'd love for Brooks to replace Lewis, but they've done that for exactly 13 of his whopping 55 snaps this season (12 vs. Cincy and 1 for injury in this last game).  The rest of his time has been at nickel (36 snaps vs Cle) and as a spy in the quarter vs. Seattle (6 snaps).  Prior to Smith's injury last week, Webb had 28 safety snaps versus Seattle and a number of 4-DB safety snaps versus Miami and Cleveland.

 

It could change with injuries (we just saw Harbaugh/Pees go back on the no-more-Webb-outside plan with Smith's injury), but I don't think the empirical evidence suggests Brooks gets Lewis' spot if he's hurt.  Look back to last year if you'd like evidence of the willingness to rotate through a lot of players who were just OK at safety. For him not to get a shot to this point tells me he hasn't shown enough in practice to earn one.

You really think if Lewis went down that Webb would be the FS with Hill at SS? Why has Brooks always come in then? He might get taken out sometimes when Webb goes to FS for certain plays, but from what I've seen Brooks would be the replacement. Plus do you really think that they would bench a guy that they just signed who counted against there comp picks and was supposed to be a good player (he's not, but the coaches still believe in him even though he's been below average 90% of the time). I believe that Brooks' injury from last year was a big factor in the decision to start and sign Lewis because Brooks didn't have much experience and most of all they didn't even think he would play at least half of the year. Plus our whole secondary is struggling and has for years which could be affecting all of our secondary guys' play, but still, how could Brooks do any worse than Lewis? Practice doesn't mean everything anyways. Think of Allen Iverson lol Just kidding, but honestly we don't know how he's practicing whether it's good, bad, or average. Either way I think it doesn't matter until he shows how he can play in a real game, which he hasn't had much of a chance to do. I still just think it would be impossible for a guy like Brooks to surpass Lewis in the lineup just by practicing well. They won't bench the guy they just signed who they thought would be a good starter for an inexperienced guy who practices well. The team decided to have two safeties all year and they chose Lewis and Hill, and sadly that won't change unless of an injury.

Edited December 26, 2015 by spitfire418

[RaineV1]

I'd love for Brooks to replace Lewis, but they've done that for exactly 13 of his whopping 55 snaps this season (12 vs. Cincy and 1 for injury in this last game).  The rest of his time has been at nickel (36 snaps vs Cle) and as a spy in the quarter vs. Seattle (6 snaps).  Prior to Smith's injury last week, Webb had 28 safety snaps versus Seattle and a number of 4-DB safety snaps versus Miami and Cleveland.

 

It could change with injuries (we just saw Harbaugh/Pees go back on the no-more-Webb-outside plan with Smith's injury), but I don't think the empirical evidence suggests Brooks gets Lewis' spot if he's hurt.  Look back to last year if you'd like evidence of the willingness to rotate through a lot of players who were just OK at safety. For him not to get a shot to this point tells me he hasn't shown enough in practice to earn one.

Or it means that we're awful at developing DBs.

[Ravenseconbeast]

Brooks has looked good enough to earn more reps. Urban has been a major impact and still not getting very many reps.

I think Urban will get more snaps @pitts/Bengals game.

Brooks not too much. Brooks looks lost as much as Kendrick does to me.

[spitfire418]

Or it means that we're awful at developing DBs.

Yeah our DB coaches and having Dean Pees doesn't help any of them get better :/

[spitfire418]

I think Urban will get more snaps @pitts/Bengals game.

Brooks not too much. Brooks looks lost as much as Kendrick does to me.

Brooks has barely played FS (like 10 snaps) this year let alone any position really. So how does he look lost? We can't even see him out there.

[The Raven]

Brooks has barely played FS (like 10 snaps) this year let alone any position really. So how does he look lost? We can't even see him out there.

 

Well he must be pretty damn lost if he can't find his way to the position we drafted him to play

[Filmstudy]

You really think if Lewis went down that Webb would be the FS with Hill at SS? Why has Brooks always come in then? He might get taken out sometimes when Webb goes to FS for certain plays, but from what I've seen Brooks would be the replacement. Plus do you really think that they would bench a guy that they just signed who counted against there comp picks and was supposed to be a good player (he's not, but the coaches still believe in him even though he's been below average 90% of the time). I believe that Brooks' injury from last year was a big factor in the decision to start and sign Lewis because Brooks didn't have much experience and most of all they didn't even think he would play at least half of the year. Plus our whole secondary is struggling and has for years which could be affecting all of our secondary guys' play, but still, how could Brooks do any worse than Lewis? Practice doesn't mean everything anyways. Think of Allen Iverson lol Just kidding, but honestly we don't know how he's practicing whether it's good, bad, or average. Either way I think it doesn't matter until he shows how he can play in a real game, which he hasn't had much of a chance to do. I still just think it would be impossible for a guy like Brooks to surpass Lewis in the lineup just by practicing well. They won't bench the guy they just signed who they thought would be a good starter for an inexperienced guy who practices well. The team decided to have two safeties all year and they chose Lewis and Hill, and sadly that won't change unless of an injury.

 

I'm not getting in a mud slinging contest with you.  

 

I have related all of the snap information for Brooks on the season in the posts above.  Brooks hasn't "always come in" for Lewis.  Webb has been the primary replacement when Lewis has been out.

[spitfire418]

I'm not getting in a mud slinging contest with you.  

 

I have related all of the snap information for Brooks on the season in the posts above.  Brooks hasn't "always come in" for Lewis.  Webb has been the primary replacement when Lewis has been out.

I know he doesn't always come in for Lewis, but that's for a reason. Whenever the coaches want to experiment with Webb back there (which they have recently) they put him at FS. They just started doing this a couple weeks ago and before that Lewis never came out of the game I believe. What I'm saying is that Brooks is the backup FS and would take the snaps that Lewis would get if he were to get hurt.

[spitfire418]

Well he must be pretty damn lost if he can't find his way to the position we drafted him to play

How could he find his way when he is denied by the coaches putting a player they signed above him. The day that Lewis was signed he was locked into the starting safety spot. They aren't just going to sign a guy like that and then bench him. So there isn't a whole lot that Brooks could do.

Edited December 26, 2015 by spitfire418

[rmw10]

How could he find his way when he is denied by the coaches putting a player they signed above him. There isn't much he can do.

 

I'm a fan of Brooks and I sincerely hope he does work out at some point, but this isn't a contract situation here.  It's been shown repeatedly in recent weeks that we don't exactly trust Lewis out there.  He and Hill went from playing nearly every snap early in the season to coming off the field in certain situations quite a bit.

 

In regards to Brooks, I absolutely want to see him out there, but I highly doubt he's being unfairly treated.  There's plenty he can do, starting with practicing better.  It's been noted many times that Brooks has quite a few mental lapses in practice.  If he was practicing better, he'd be out there.  I like to see the young guys out there, but I don't want to see them getting an opportunity without earning it.  To me, it's clear that he hasn't earned more time on the field yet.

 

I get that you're a fan.  So am I.  I just think you need to look at this with a more realistic view.  He isn't sitting because of Lewis' contract.  He's sitting because he hasn't done enough to show he belongs on the field, whether that been in actual games or in practice.  These coaches see these guys everyday.

Edited December 26, 2015 by rmw10

[spitfire418]

I'm a fan of Brooks and I sincerely hope he does work out at some point, but this isn't a contract situation here.  It's been shown repeatedly in recent weeks that we don't exactly trust Lewis out there.  He and Hill went from playing nearly every snap early in the season to coming off the field in certain situations quite a bit.

 

In regards to Brooks, I absolutely want to see him out there, but I highly doubt he's being unfairly treated.  There's plenty he can do, starting with practicing better.  It's been noted many times that Brooks has quite a few mental lapses in practice.  If he was practicing better, he'd be out there.  I like to see the young guys out there, but I don't want to see them getting an opportunity without earning it.  To me, it's clear that he hasn't earned more time on the field yet.

 

I get that you're a fan.  So am I.  I just think you need to look at this with a more realistic view.  He isn't sitting because of Lewis' contract.  He's sitting because he hasn't done enough to show he belongs on the field, whether that been in actual games or in practice.  These coaches see these guys everyday.

I never said he's ONLY sitting because of Lewis' contract. There are many reasons that I've mentioned. Plus the only reason that he has been taken out recently is because the coaches wanted to try Webb at FS, not because they don't trust Lewis. I've never heard of them not trusting him lol. The coaches actually seem to love the guy for some reason. Also, Brooks has only been brought up about having mental lapses in practice ONE time in a Dean Pees presser not "quite a few" times. He's also had coaches say that he's been practicing well. So the whole "practice" thing could go either way. I just don't see how Brooks could earn the starting job with the situation he's in just by practicing well. By the way, everyone makes mental lapses in practice, EVERYONE. Plus they even make them in the actual games, especially our secondary, including Lewis. So all that mental lapse and practice stuff is pointless honestly.

Edited December 27, 2015 by spitfire418

[The Raven]

How could he find his way when he is denied by the coaches putting a player they signed above him. The day that Lewis was signed he was locked into the starting safety spot. They aren't just going to sign a guy like that and then bench him. So there isn't a whole lot that Brooks could do.

 

Yes there is. Play better and earn a spot. We cut Michael Huff ONE GAME after we gave him a deal. Don't even give me that bull.

[spitfire418]

Yes there is. Play better and earn a spot. We cut Michael Huff ONE GAME after we gave him a deal. Don't even give me that bull.

That's a whole different situation. Micheal Huff was way older and worse than Kendrick Lewis is and the biggest reason that we cut him was to get our first round pick Matt Elam in the starting lineup (we always find a way start our 1st rounders, round doesn't matter). So yeah... it's not bull bro.

Edited December 27, 2015 by spitfire418

[rmw10]

I never said he's ONLY sitting because of Lewis' contract. There are many reasons that I've mentioned. Plus the only reason that he has been taken out recently is because the coaches wanted to try Webb at FS, not because they don't trust Lewis. I've never heard of them not trusting him lol. The coaches actually seem to love the guy for some reason. Also, Brooks has only been brought up about having mental lapses in practice ONE time in a Dean Pees presser not "quite a few" times. He's also had coaches say that he's been practicing well. So the whole "practice" thing could go either way. I just don't see how Brooks could earn the starting job with the situation he's in just by practicing well. By the way, everyone makes mental lapses in practice, EVERYONE. Plus they even make them in the actual games, especially our secondary, including Lewis. So all that mental lapse and practice stuff is pointless honestly.

 

This practice issue has dated back to last year.

 

I get that you like Brooks, but it's quite obvious that he hasn't earned his way onto the field yet.  It's that simple.  It's no contract situation.  It's no unfair treatment or anything.  Brooks just hasn't shown enough to get himself out there.  Remember that what we see in games is a very small snippet of what coaches are able to see.  They see him everyday in practice.  If they thought he should be on the field, he'd be there.

[spitfire418]

This practice issue has dated back to last year.

 

I get that you like Brooks, but it's quite obvious that he hasn't earned his way onto the field yet.  It's that simple.  It's no contract situation.  It's no unfair treatment or anything.  Brooks just hasn't shown enough to get himself out there.  Remember that what we see in games is a very small snippet of what coaches are able to see.  They see him everyday in practice.  If they thought he should be on the field, he'd be there.

Never said it was unfair treatment, but they aren't going to sign a veteran guy as a starter (even though he's average at best and the coaches love him) and then bench him when he's healthy for a young guy with potential that plays well in practice. They decided to stick with two safeties and not a rotation thing and they chose Hill and Lewis (obviously, he's a veteran, etc.) to be the starters. He has only got limited time on the field this year, but has made some plays for us in that little amount of time. The coaches may even want to get him on the field more, but who knows what they think. They did give him a spy role in the Seattle game where he almost had a pick-6 and they mentioned he would get more playing time along with a bunch of other young defenders, which that never happened. Overall, the coaches don't want to change the lineup unless of injuries this year and that's just how it's been even with us being eliminated from playoffs. Practice alone won't get Brooks above Lewis, it just won't, I;m sorry. Plus practice isn't the same as a game. See how he does with a good amount of playing time in a regular season game then we'll know. On top of that our coaches aren't helping, although our defense played good today somehow lol and once again Lewis made a bone-head play today when he got that PI on Antonio Brown, but he keeps on starting. Then if Brooks made that same mistake, which we'll never know, he would instantly be in the doghouse and benched. It just makes no sense.

[rmw10]

 

Never said it was unfair treatment, but they aren't going to sign a veteran guy as a starter (even though he's average at best and the coaches love him) and then bench him when he's healthy for a young guy with potential that plays well in practice. They decided to stick with two safeties and not a rotation thing and they chose Hill and Lewis (obviously, he's a veteran, etc.) to be the starters. He has only got limited time on the field this year, but has made some plays for us in that little amount of time. The coaches may even want to get him on the field more, but who knows what they think. They did give him a spy role in the Seattle game where he almost had a pick-6 and they mentioned he would get more playing time along with a bunch of other young defenders, which that never happened. Overall, the coaches don't want to change the lineup unless of injuries this year and that's just how it's been even with us being eliminated from playoffs. Practice alone won't get Brooks above Lewis, it just won't, I;m sorry. Plus practice isn't the same as a game. See how he does with a good amount of playing time in a regular season game then we'll know. On top of that our coaches aren't helping, although our defense played good today somehow lol and once again Lewis made a bone-head play today when he got that PI on Antonio Brown, but he keeps on starting. Then if Brooks made that same mistake, which we'll never know, he would instantly be in the doghouse and benched. It just makes no sense.

 

Yeah they are.  Arrington has been on the bench in order to get (insert whatever CB name here) on the field this year.  Lewis' veteran status isn't what is keeping him on the field.

 

I'm not saying Lewis is good or anything, and it's obvious their trust in him has waned.  The problem is that they don't feel they have another viable option to really eat into his playing time.

[spitfire418]

Yeah they are.  Arrington has been on the bench in order to get (insert whatever CB name here) on the field this year.  Lewis' veteran status isn't what is keeping him on the field.

 

I'm not saying Lewis is good or anything, and it's obvious their trust in him has waned.  The problem is that they don't feel they have another viable option to really eat into his playing time.

The Arrington signing is different. At the time we signed K. Lewis we had Will Hill, Levine, and Trawick, Brooks who was going to be on PUP, and Matt Elam who may have started because he's a first rounder, but got hurt. The two ST safeties, along with the two injured/inexperienced safeties is what made him the starter. We chose to go with two guys from the beginning and that's how it worked out. Arrington was signed as depth, not a starter. We had two obvious starters in Webb and Smith with a couple guys we thought could be a third corner like Melvin, etc. So that's a much different situation. Also, I don't get why you think the coaches trust in Lewis has waned when they always talk the guy up and seem to love him. Will Hill came out more than him today and that's just the coaches wanting to try Webb at safety and help him succeed since he's older, not because of lack of trust from the other guys.

Edited December 28, 2015 by spitfire418

[rmw10]

The Arrington signing is different. At the time we signed K. Lewis we had Will Hill, Levine, and Trawick, Brooks who was going to be on PUP, and Matt Elam who may have started because he's a first rounder, but got hurt. The two ST safeties, along with the two injured/inexperienced safeties is what made him the starter. We chose to go with two guys from the beginning and that's how it worked out. Arrington was signed as depth, not a starter. We had two obvious starters in Webb and Smith with a couple guys we thought could be a third corner like Melvin, etc. So that's a much different situation. Also, I don't get why you think the coaches trust in Lewis has waned when they always talk the guy up and seem to love him. Will Hill came out more than him today and that's just the coaches wanting to try Webb at safety and help him succeed since he's older, not because of lack of trust from the other guys.

 

If they thought Brooks was a better option than the guys they're putting out there right now, he'd be out there.  It's as simple as that.  No sense in making excuses for the guy.

[spitfire418]

If they thought Brooks was a better option than the guys they're putting out there right now, he'd be out there.  It's as simple as that.  No sense in making excuses for the guy.

Not making excuses lol. How would they know if he's better if he barely ever gets to play in a game. Practice isn't a game and it shouldn't be the only factor into a guy playing. Coaches have mentioned good things about him in practice too and then the mental lapse thing that Pees mentioned one time. Who even cares. I've basically been saying they don't think he's a better option because of several reasons, but all you say is if he practices better or earns it that he would play. Not true. He's played well on ST, made a couple plays on D this year in very limited time and still hasn't gotten a shot because of the things I've mentioned about Lewis and the non rotations of the safeties this year, excluded the recent Webb addition, which is only to try and help a veteran guy play in a position he can succeed at in his career.

[rmw10]

Not making excuses lol. How would they know if he's better if he barely ever gets to play in a game. Practice isn't a game and it shouldn't be the only factor into a guy playing. Coaches have mentioned good things about him in practice too and then the mental lapse thing that Pees mentioned one time. Who even cares. I've basically been saying they don't think he's a better option because of several reasons, but all you say is if he practices better or earns it that he would play. Not true. He's played well on ST, made a couple plays on D this year in very limited time and still hasn't gotten a shot because of the things I've mentioned about Lewis and the non rotations of the safeties this year, excluded the recent Webb addition, which is only to try and help a veteran guy play in a position he can succeed at in his career.

 

They would know if he's better because they see him every single day in practice.  You say practice doesn't matter but that's how guys get evaluated.  There's a reason most preseason roster decisions are made on their practices and not the preseason games.  Seeing them in practice gives them the full scope of what he can and cannot do.  Sure, he may make a play here and there during a game, but the coaches obviously don't feel comfortable putting him out there in a larger capacity.  It's to the point where we're evaluating Webb and his salary for a potential opening at FS next year and not the young guy.  I don't think that bodes well for Brooks.

[spitfire418]

They would know if he's better because they see him every single day in practice.  You say practice doesn't matter but that's how guys get evaluated.  There's a reason most preseason roster decisions are made on their practices and not the preseason games.  Seeing them in practice gives them the full scope of what he can and cannot do.  Sure, he may make a play here and there during a game, but the coaches obviously don't feel comfortable putting him out there in a larger capacity.  It's to the point where we're evaluating Webb and his salary for a potential opening at FS next year and not the young guy.  I don't think that bodes well for Brooks.

Practice isn't everything. Games are WAY more important and even preseason games are. There are guys who practice great and suck in a real game. Yeah practice matters to some degree, but it's not everything which you're making it seem like. Webb is an option for FS yes, but you can't assume he will be the starter next year. There is a long way to go with that. For example, Lewis is there, Brooks is there, Elam is there, free agency, the draft. A lot could happen at FS, and the only thing that will change it for next year is if Lewis gets cut. They won't bench him for any of the guys on the team right now. So unless he's cut then he'll most likely be the starter. In the end, all I want is for Brooks to get a fair shot at being our FS. The kid has gone through adversity with all his injuries and everything else, You can tell he was worked his tail off and is hungry to play on defense. He's done nothing that I've seen which should hinder his shot at a starting job. He's at the end of his second year and is a third round pick with lots of potential. I don't see why he can't get a chance with how bad Lewis has been for us. I feel as if Brooks has been wasted at this point which is sad to see for any player. Same thing could go for guys like Arthur Brown and John Simon who starts for the Texans now.

Edited December 28, 2015 by spitfire418

[rmw10]

Practice isn't everything. Games are WAY more important and even preseason games are. There are guys who practice great and suck in a real game. Yeah practice matters to some degree, but it's not everything which you're making it seem like. Webb is an option for FS yes, but you can't assume he will be the starter next year. There is a long way to go with that. For example, Lewis is there, Brooks is there, Elam is there, free agency, the draft. A lot could happen at FS, and the only thing that will change it for next year is if Lewis gets cut. They won't bench him for any of the guys on the team right now. So unless he's cut then he'll most likely be the starter. In the end, all I want is for Brooks to get a fair shot at being our FS. The kid has gone through adversity with all his injuries and everything else, You can tell he was worked his tail off and is hungry to play on defense. He's done nothing that I've seen which should hinder his shot at a starting job. He's at the end of his second year and is a third round pick with lots of potential. I don't see why he can't get a chance with how bad Lewis has been for us. I feel as if Brooks has been wasted at this point which is sad to see for any player. Same thing could go for guys like Arthur Brown and John Simon who starts for the Texans now.

 

Tell that to all of the preseason standouts that didn't make the roster much less a practice squad.

 

All I'm saying is that if Brooks had earned the opportunity, he'd be out there.  He might be hungry and working hard, but sometimes that isn't enough.  He's done nothing that you've seen, but how much have you seen?  He's not playing much so there's not much for us as fans to base his play on.  You know who can though?  The coaches.  The guys who see him everyday in practice.  Sure, he may look good in game situations, but do you really think they're just keeping him on the sidelines for the hell of it?

[PurpleCity5]

Tell that to all of the preseason standouts that didn't make the roster much less a practice squad.

 

All I'm saying is that if Brooks had earned the opportunity, he'd be out there.  He might be hungry and working hard, but sometimes that isn't enough.  He's done nothing that you've seen, but how much have you seen?  He's not playing much so there's not much for us as fans to base his play on.  You know who can though?  The coaches.  The guys who see him everyday in practice.  Sure, he may look good in game situations, but do you really think they're just keeping him on the sidelines for the hell of it?

It sucks because I really like Brooks. I was a fan of his during the draft and was really hyped when we picked him. I think the biggest thing holding him back is not making the plays. He has the instincts and is always there, but just does not make the play. 

[rmw10]

It sucks because I really like Brooks. I was a fan of his during the draft and was really hyped when we picked him. I think the biggest thing holding him back is not making the plays. He has the instincts and is always there, but just does not make the play.

I'm a fan as well and hope he works out. I just refuse to believe there's anything holding him back other than himself at this point.

[PurpleCity5]

I'm a fan as well and hope he works out. I just refuse to believe there's anything holding him back other than himself at this point.

They even put Webb at Safety over Brooks, that's very telling in the fact that he just has not earned it yet. 

Edited December 28, 2015 by PurpleCity5

[spitfire418]

Tell that to all of the preseason standouts that didn't make the roster much less a practice squad.

 

All I'm saying is that if Brooks had earned the opportunity, he'd be out there.  He might be hungry and working hard, but sometimes that isn't enough.  He's done nothing that you've seen, but how much have you seen?  He's not playing much so there's not much for us as fans to base his play on.  You know who can though?  The coaches.  The guys who see him everyday in practice.  Sure, he may look good in game situations, but do you really think they're just keeping him on the sidelines for the hell of it?

They don't make the roster not because it's just a preseason game that they played well in, but because that a roster can only hold 53 players and not everyone can make it no matter what they do. Come on now. You should know that. Plus I obviously don't think they're keeping him on the sidelines for the hell of it lol. That's literally what I've been saying. It's because of the situation of 2 locked in starting safeties which is how it should be instead of that rotation thing last year, but the only bad thing with that is the coaches seem to not want to make a change no matter how bad someone plays. The whole Webb thing is not him being put over Brooks, it's just not I'm sorry. They are just trying to experiment and help out Webb. Brooks is the backup safety and that's why he will come in if Lewis and probably if Hill went down. For example, he came in last week when Lewis missed that one snap. I keep repeating the same thing, but you still think practice means everything, they don't trust the safeties, and that Webb is over Brooks. It's simply not true.

[spitfire418]

It sucks because I really like Brooks. I was a fan of his during the draft and was really hyped when we picked him. I think the biggest thing holding him back is not making the plays. He has the instincts and is always there, but just does not make the play. 

When has this showed up this year? I know what you're referring too You're talking about the Saints and Bengals plays from last year aren't you? First of all, those happened last year, he's a different player and making the play is much easier to fix than being in position to make the play. In his limited time this year, I can only recall one bad play that he made back the first time we played the Browns. He was actually in decent coverage on one of the receivers over the middle and then ended up tripping and falling for some reason lol. He did get back up and make the tackle though. Everyone makes mistakes in games. Everyone.

Edited December 28, 2015 by spitfire418

[PurpleCity5]

When has this showed up this year? I know what you're referring too You're talking about the Saints and Bengals plays from last year aren't you? First of all, those happened last year, he's a different player and making the play is much easier to fix than being in position to make the play. In his limited time this year, I can only recall one bad play that he made back the first time we played the Browns. He was actually in decent coverage on one of the receivers over the middle and then ended up tripping and falling for some reason lol. He did get back up and make the tackle though. Everyone makes mistakes in games. Everyone.

Yes, I was referring to those plays and if he made them then he wouldn't be on the back of coaches minds. Same thing this year, in his limited time and I know this is not fair he has to make a play. If he is in the game then in order for him to get noticed is to make a play.

Look I like Brooks a lot, even in the draft he was one of my guys, but he just has not earned it honestly.