Who falls to us?

[GrimCoconut]

I get a kinda later top 10 vibe with Robinson, almost in the same region as a guy like Treadwell, but his strengths line up a lot with what we already do well so I haven't looked as much into him as I have with other guys. It's an interesting thought, especially with Kim D seemingly channeling his inner Tom Petty and free falling.

 

I honestly have no idea what the Browns do, but a trench guy makes a lot of sense. Bosa should be their pick if he's there, but knowing the Browns they're probably just as likely to take Le'Raven Clark. It also seems like what they do with their pick could set off a fair few dominoes too (isn't the draft fun).

 

Personally I still see the Chargers taking Tunsil. He just seems to fit what they like on OL and should have better measurables. I'd then peg Stanley to the Dolphins or Jags, but that's me. Smith to the Cowboys makes a ton of sense, but one interesting x-factor could be if a team like Norleans wants to trade up for a QB. A blockbuster trade like that is just the kind of thing Jerry would get excited by and they're right in front of the Sailboats so they're in a perfect trading spot. That could well see Smith head to Florida two or three picks later (this is kinda what I was getting at when I said the Browns would set a few things off).

 

I'm still a bit cynical of our chances of getting an OT (I know it's early days and my previous paragraph alone shows how much is still in flux because it's only December - this is just how I see things shaking out atm and is obviously subject to change), but it's not out of the realm of possibility and I didn't mean to imply otherwise after today's game.

I agree on Stanley but I think the Chargers see him as more of a guy with potential who should be able to develop as a run blocker. It could go either way, and I wouldn't complain if we got Stanley. I think the Dolphins could go with Jaylon Smith if he's there under those pretenses since they could use some LB help and he's arguably the best at his position and one of the best prospects period in the draft. I think the Jaguars take a CB with their pick regardless. 

[Inqui]

I agree on Stanley but I think the Chargers see him as more of a guy with potential who should be able to develop as a run blocker. It could go either way, and I wouldn't complain if we got Stanley. I think the Dolphins could go with Jaylon Smith if he's there under those pretenses since they could use some LB help and he's arguably the best at his position and one of the best prospects period in the draft. I think the Jaguars take a CB with their pick regardless. 

I think if either OT is there at 8, we'd find it incredibly difficult to pass them up. I forgot the Jags had Telvin Smith, but if I had to guess atm I think they'll address the OL (give Blake more help up front) or the secondary.

 

Atm I'd say the wild cards are:

1) What the Titans and Browns choose to go with. The Titans already have a QB, LT and two OLBs so they could pick anyone. The Browns probably aren't letting Bosa slide but may take a LT (if they can flip Thomas), QB (if they really are done with Johnny Autograph or if he gets done partying too hard with Josh Gordon in the offseason) or DL/DE.

2) Who trades ahead of us (almost certainly for a QB if that happens).

[GrimCoconut]

I think if either OT is there at 8, we'd find it incredibly difficult to pass them up. I forgot the Jags had Telvin Smith, but if I had to guess atm I think they'll address the OL (give Blake more help up front) or the secondary.

Atm I'd say the wild cards are:

1) What the Titans and Browns choose to go with. The Titans already have a QB, LT and two OLBs so they could pick anyone. The Browns probably aren't letting Bosa slide but may take a LT (if they can flip Thomas), QB (if they really are done with Johnny Autograph or if he gets done partying too hard with Josh Gordon in the offseason) or DL/DE.

2) Who trades ahead of us (almost certainly for a QB if that happens).

I really think the Jaguars take defense and take secondary especially due to their needs and where they're drafting combined with BPA.

[ravensnation5220]

Tunsil protected his mom from his stepdad. That makes me like him more if anything.

like i said before. Didnt know what it was for but i agree after i found out

[Inqui]

I really think the Jaguars take defense and take secondary especially due to their needs and where they're drafting combined with BPA.

Yeah, they're in a good spot for VH3 or Ramsey at this point. Depends on how they stack their board (which obviously neither of us knows about), but I really hope you're right.

[Inqui]

I think if either OT is there at 8, we'd find it incredibly difficult to pass them up. I forgot the Jags had Telvin Smith, but if I had to guess atm I think they'll address the OL (give Blake more help up front) or the secondary.

 

Atm I'd say the wild cards are:

1) What the Titans and Browns choose to go with. The Titans already have a QB, LT and two OLBs so they could pick anyone. The Browns probably aren't letting Bosa slide but may take a LT (if they can flip Thomas), QB (if they really are done with Johnny Autograph or if he gets done partying too hard with Josh Gordon in the offseason) or DL/DE.

2) Who trades ahead of us (almost certainly for a QB if that happens).

Not 24 hours after I mention this, he gets a partying video released.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/browns-could-bench-johnny-manziel-for-christmas-eve-partying-video-002335642.html

[GrimCoconut]

Not 24 hours after I mention this, he gets a partying video released.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/browns-could-bench-johnny-manziel-for-christmas-eve-partying-video-002335642.html

I hope the Browns take a QB. That would be so great for us.

[Inqui]

I hope the Browns take a QB. That would be so great for us.

Yeah for sure. I feel like Paxton Lynch is the kinda guy they'd fall in love with, given his measurables and flashy play this season. I really hope he torches Auburn this week and then lights up the combine.

 

If the draft were tomorrow I don't think the Browns would take a QB, but between now and the draft so much could happen that would convince them to take one, that a QB going at 2 is more likely than people here give it credit for atm. Of course, he could also have a really good outing against the Steelers next week and join a local church choir in the offseason or something, which could convince the Browns brass to give him a full season.

[PurpleCity5]

I hope the Browns take a QB. That would be so great for us.

Totally agree, I would inquire about a trade up for Bosa/Tunsil depending on how things play out.

[usmccharles]

Yeah for sure. I feel like Paxton Lynch is the kinda guy they'd fall in love with, given his measurables and flashy play this season. I really hope he torches Auburn this week and then lights up the combine.

 

If the draft were tomorrow I don't think the Browns would take a QB, but between now and the draft so much could happen that would convince them to take one, that a QB going at 2 is more likely than people here give it credit for atm. Of course, he could also have a really good outing against the Steelers next week and join a local church choir in the offseason or something, which could convince the Browns brass to give him a full season.

Its the Browns though, i dont think anyone here would be suprised if they took a qb at 2.  I havent seen the new party video, but i actually dont think its a big deal unless he was late for a meeting the next morning, lied, etc.... Hes a rich 23 year old kid with a terrible work ethic, no discipline....Thats who they drafted, they knew this.  This gives the Browns more ammo to just move on from him...

[ravefan52]

I really think the Jaguars take defense and take secondary especially due to their needs and where they're drafting combined with BPA.

I agree there. Bradley and their GM said they were going to focus on building up the offense first, and spent multiple high picks the past couple years on QB, OL and WR's. They have a pretty good young offense. Last year they took Fowler and I think they continue to add to the defense. Edited December 29, 2015 by ravefan52

[RavensDieHard21]

Regardless if we win against Cincinnati Sunday or not, if Jalen Ramsey slides to us, do we grab him? I think he is so adversitial that it would be hard to pass him up. Or do we go VH3 because he is a corner? I think we need help over the top with a play maker like Ramsey.

[Deflated Football]

Not sure where to put this but apparently Treadwell is torn between staying in college or entering the draft

[JoeyFlex5]

Regardless if we win against Cincinnati Sunday or not, if Jalen Ramsey slides to us, do we grab him? I think he is so adversitial that it would be hard to pass him up. Or do we go VH3 because he is a corner? I think we need help over the top with a play maker like Ramsey.

it's not about position, vh3 is a far better prospect than Ramsey who has more red flags than he has potential. Also, Ramsey won't be helping any defenses over the top, he's not that kind of safety and I doubt he ever will be

[January J]

Goff just further helped his case to get picked up by the Browns in the top 3. Good for us.

Edited December 30, 2015 by January J

[rmw10]

Regardless if we win against Cincinnati Sunday or not, if Jalen Ramsey slides to us, do we grab him? I think he is so adversitial that it would be hard to pass him up. Or do we go VH3 because he is a corner? I think we need help over the top with a play maker like Ramsey.

 

Reading through this post pretty quickly, I swore it said "I think he is so adorable."  I had to do a double take lol

[PurpleCity5]

Regardless if we win against Cincinnati Sunday or not, if Jalen Ramsey slides to us, do we grab him? I think he is so adversitial that it would be hard to pass him up. Or do we go VH3 because he is a corner? I think we need help over the top with a play maker like Ramsey.

 

it's not about position, vh3 is a far better prospect than Ramsey who has more red flags than he has potential. Also, Ramsey won't be helping any defenses over the top, he's not that kind of safety and I doubt he ever will be

I have to agree with Joey, 9 times out of 10, I'm going with Vernon Hargreaves over Jalen Ramsey. Here's my thing with Ramsey, we need two things as far as a safety is concerned, someone who can play deep, and someone who is a play-maker. I don't think Ramsey has proven to be either of those two. If we take Jalen Ramsey to be a CB, then we're taking a guy who would be developmental in the pro's. I don't believe he will be a day one starter. We are a team that plays a lot of off-man coverage, that's one of Ramsey's weaknesses, not to mention he could be a penalty magnet and we've seen what that does to CBs. 

 

I feel that Hargreaves is not only a safe pick, but will provide some flexibility. We can decide if we either want to part ways with Webb or move him to FS. We will have someone who can step in and be a day-1 starter. We will have someone who we can feel confident can disrupt the stud WRs of the AFC North. Not to mention someone so refined, that once he fixes all the negatives, can be one of the best CBs in the league. 

[usmccharles]

I know we seem ok at the RB position at the moment but i think we are missing that big play kind of playmaker.  I know a lot of people like Buck, i just want to see more.  It the mean time i stumbled upon this beast of a rb, Samaje Perine from the Sooners.  Besides he has one of the coolest nick names....Optimus Perine

[52520Andrew]

I know we seem ok at the RB position at the moment but i think we are missing that big play kind of playmaker. I know a lot of people like Buck, i just want to see more. It the mean time i stumbled upon this beast of a rb, Samaje Perine from the Sooners. Besides he has one of the coolest nick names....Optimus Perine

He plays vs. Clemson later today so that should be fun.

[GrimCoconut]

On the subject of who falls to us, my friend is a very avid Dallas fan and probably my equivalent and he thinks Dallas goes QB then secondary but says it'll be BPA most likely. He thinks the linebackers are fine and they mainly need secondary help and could always use a pass rusher, especially depending on the future of Hardy.

This could be good and bad for us. Dallas could go with a QB, but if they trade for Johnny then it likely won't cost them a first. Ideally, we should hope Cleveland trades Johnny football to Dallas and we finish ahead of Dallas in draft position so we can pick ahead of them.

Potential picks could be Goff or another QB, Hargreaves, Ramsey, Bosa, Robinson for Dallas. The one thing going for us is Lawrence has played well for them.

[JoeyFlex5]

On the subject of who falls to us, my friend is a very avid Dallas fan and probably my equivalent and he thinks Dallas goes QB then secondary but says it'll be BPA most likely. He thinks the linebackers are fine and they mainly need secondary help and could always use a pass rusher, especially depending on the future of Hardy.

This could be good and bad for us. Dallas could go with a QB, but if they trade for Johnny then it likely won't cost them a first. Ideally, we should hope Cleveland trades Johnny football to Dallas and we finish ahead of Dallas in draft position so we can pick ahead of them.

Potential picks could be Goff or another QB, Hargreaves, Ramsey, Bosa, Robinson for Dallas. The one thing going for us is Lawrence has played well for them.

Johnny could command a 2nd from dallas. And idk what I hate more, dallas or Cleveland right in front of us in the 2nd

[usmccharles]

On the subject of who falls to us, my friend is a very avid Dallas fan and probably my equivalent and he thinks Dallas goes QB then secondary but says it'll be BPA most likely. He thinks the linebackers are fine and they mainly need secondary help and could always use a pass rusher, especially depending on the future of Hardy.

This could be good and bad for us. Dallas could go with a QB, but if they trade for Johnny then it likely won't cost them a first. Ideally, we should hope Cleveland trades Johnny football to Dallas and we finish ahead of Dallas in draft position so we can pick ahead of them.

Potential picks could be Goff or another QB, Hargreaves, Ramsey, Bosa, Robinson for Dallas. The one thing going for us is Lawrence has played well for them.

I have a feeling dallas grabs Jayson Smith, just a hunch

[Inqui]

On the subject of who falls to us, my friend is a very avid Dallas fan and probably my equivalent and he thinks Dallas goes QB then secondary but says it'll be BPA most likely. He thinks the linebackers are fine and they mainly need secondary help and could always use a pass rusher, especially depending on the future of Hardy.

This could be good and bad for us. Dallas could go with a QB, but if they trade for Johnny then it likely won't cost them a first. Ideally, we should hope Cleveland trades Johnny football to Dallas and we finish ahead of Dallas in draft position so we can pick ahead of them.

Potential picks could be Goff or another QB, Hargreaves, Ramsey, Bosa, Robinson for Dallas. The one thing going for us is Lawrence has played well for them.

A lot could still be up in the air with the Cowboys and Johnny Autograph. I've gotta say though, a Cowboys win this week (tbh I'm tempted to watch their game instead of ours) followed by a QB trade of some description would be close to a perfect scenario for us. I think the Cowboys are one of the big threats for Bosa (along with the Browns) and it's starting to look like their SOS will end up stronger than ours so that'll be a big game.

 

So much is still in flux, especially with Chip Kelly having talked up Manziel as a dream QB for his system. So a lot could still depend on where he ends up and what he decides to add off the bat.

 

And like I say, Jaylon Smith still makes a lot of sense for the Cowboys. They have plenty of needs, but I don't think they'd pass on a talent like him lightly with how well he'd fit there.

[GrimCoconut]

I think Smith is less likely after talking to my friend. He made some good points about how Dallas likes Hitchens and may re-sign McClain and how Sean Lee actually stayed healthy this year and played great. We'll have to see what happens and it's still possible. I just think there may be less reason than I initially perceived. I wouldn't be surprised if the Niners took Smith, though, since they have lost talent at the position. They may wait and take a QB in the second or trade up into the first, especially if Goff is gone before they pick.

[GrimCoconut]

Joey Bosa ejected...I wonder how that affects him and his stock.

[usmccharles]

Joey Bosa ejected...I wonder how that affects him and his stock.

what for

[GrimCoconut]

what for

Targeting. Stupid penalty on his part.

[Inqui]

Joey Bosa ejected...I wonder how that affects him and his stock.

I think people can overcomplicate a player's stock (not looking at anyone in particular, just an observation), so I like to see it as how much you want a player. The key question for me is whether that penalty would have put us off taking him at 4. If it means we'd take someone else, that's the definition of affecting his stock. But if we'd still bite off the commissioner's hand as we would have two weeks ago, that more or less means his stock is unchanged (obviously you never know how other teams will see it, but I think that test is the best way to get a realistic view of a player's stock).

 

And to answer that question, I certainly think it would magnify the suspension and cause scouts to go over the other penalties he's received. I feel like I'd still be really comfortable picking him at 4 if we were still there, but intellectually I guess it is a little tougher (basically that if an ejection doesn't prevent him from making a hit like that, you naturally have to wonder how many 15-yard penalties he'll give away in the pros). But the other side of that argument is how much OSU are struggling without him.

Edited January 1, 2016 by Inqui

[nishadrahman13]

I think people can overcomplicate a player's stock (not looking at anyone in particular, just an observation), so I like to see it as how much you want a player. The key question for me is whether that penalty would have put us off taking him at 4. If it means we'd take someone else, that's the definition of affecting his stock. But if we'd still bite off the commissioner's hand as we would have two weeks ago, that more or less means his stock is unchanged (obviously you never know how other teams will see it, but I think that test is the best way to get a realistic view of a player's stock).

And to answer that question, I certainly think it would magnify the suspension and cause scouts to go over the other penalties he's received. I feel like I'd still be really comfortable picking him at 4 if we were still there, but intellectually I guess it is a little tougher (basically that if an ejection doesn't prevent him from making a hit like that, you naturally have to wonder how many 15-yard penalties he'll give away in the pros). But the other side of that argument is how much OSU are struggling without him.

If his stock takes a hit like Bridgewater did, some team is going to be extremely lucky to have him.

[Inqui]

If his stock takes a hit like Bridgewater did, we're going to be extremely lucky to have him.

Fixed.