Who falls to us?

[Winchester]

I love Tunsil don't get me wrong but we will have to give up way too much to move up even just a spot or two that high in the draft. Considering we are in a bad cap situation our upgrades are going to have to come via the draft, probably not a good idea to trade away high end picks right now. We do still have Monroe, while he may not be ideal it's not like we have a super drastic need for a LT. I think we will take BPA or trade back, don't see us moving up in the 1st.

I get what you are saying. I would go as far as trading the round3 to move up for Tunsil. I firmly believe that in the modern NFL a dominating Intimidating Oline is the #1 asset to an explosive consistent offense that will sustain drives as opposed to the the prolific offenses with QBs playing pitch and catch with talented receivers all saying give them 3 downs to get a new set of downs. While showing very little strategy, balance,consistency, and craft. If ravens really wanna think forward and use the modern rules that favor throwing the ball to its fullest, and jump over what every other team is already playing, the ravens can introduce completely new and innovative science to the NFL. And be trendsetters!! The team that every other team is trying to imitate and produce the generic brand!! A dominant mailing Oline is the way to go. The ravens have the opportunity to introduce a whole new offense that blends west coast,power\zone run blocking, stretch routes with west coast and zone execution. Featuring formations and schemes that heavily favors and looks run yet just as effective and explosive throwing from as if there were 4 receivers on that play. And vise versa, formations that look strictly throwing yet just as effective and mauling to run out of the formation. A dominant Oline will be the driving force behind it all!! The ravens have the qb and most of the Oline together and a great blocking TE that is a very respectable receiver as well. It is also important Maxx follows through with plans to get faster and stronger because a fast Hback type TE but with the 6'4 250lb frame of a traditional TE that is also a strong blocker is crucial as well. The Defense's would be completely off balance and guessing on every play!! As well as intimidated by a mauling Oline. Ravens will not need a Julio Jones but a #1 receiver is needed as well. This offense would be very innovative that uses the rules that favor offenses to a level no other team realized!! Coordinators are in the steam engine era compared to exotic sports car offenses that could be run with the new age rules that favor throwing and overall offense in general!! QBs that are completely illiterate when it comes to complete playbooks and reading defenses are throwing for 300 yards. And innovation begins with a power dominant Oline with athleticism to zone block and maul simultaneously. To take advantage of the structure of the modern NFL.

[RavensFanMania]

He's got the height for it. It's crazy, his Florida State game was one of the worst I've ever seen from safety. The lack of physical and tackling skill of Gerod Hilloman without ANY of the ball skills. We have enough of that on this team already. Vonn Bell's way better.

agree

[PurpleCity5]

The Titans are tied for taking the most sacks so far - Mariota's been getting wrecked all season. We think Joe needs protection (and we've taken the fourth fewest sacks), think about how the Titans feel.

I agree, just because they have Lewan(who has been a sub-par LT) there does not mean they will just forget about Tunsil. They could always move Lewan to RT and shift Tunsil to LT. When you have a young QB, the worst thing that could happen to him is for him to get beat up and on the ground constantly. I think Tennessee will look into that with Mariota having to be pulled from the game twice this year.

Edited December 22, 2015 by PurpleCity5

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Browns without a doubt will take a QB and Tunsil is the smart pick for the Titans. Leaving us between Bosa and Stanley. Which is honestly the toughest choice you could make. Both are elite prospects in my eyes, and very, very safe picks with high ceilings and high floors.

Either that or the Browns will miss the point again and take Zeke Elliot. They are the Browns.

Tyler Boyd in round two. Long speed + DUI. Old WR coach. Makes a ton of sense for us to take him if there. But someone will fall to us anyway. Just don't be Micheal Thomas. I think he's overrated a tad.

Third round.... That's where it gets tougher.

Fourth round if Nkimdiche is there we should pounce. We have a good dline coach and in the fourth round if you take a fourth DT that's where you're okay with a high risk high reward guy. Not like he's a dirty player like Vontaze.

Edited December 22, 2015 by LosT_in_TranSlatioN

[Winchester]

Browns without a doubt will take a QB and Tunsil is the smart pick for the Titans. Leaving us between Bosa and Stanley. Which is honestly the toughest choice you could make. Both are elite prospects in my eyes, and very, very safe picks with high ceilings and high floors.

Either that or the Browns will miss the point again and take Zeke Elliot. They are the Browns.

Tyler Boyd in round two. Long speed + DUI. Old WR coach. Makes a ton of sense for us to take him if there. But someone will fall to us anyway. Just don't be Micheal Thomas. I think he's overrated a tad.

Third round.... That's where it gets tougher.

Fourth round if Nkimdiche is there we should pounce. We have a good dline coach and in the fourth round if you take a fourth DT that's where you're okay with a high risk high reward guy. Not like he's a dirty player like Vontaze.

Good post. I would take Ronald Stanley over Bosa no question. He could very well be more of a freak athlete than Tunsil. Many say he is a slightly better athlete and even a little stronger than Tunsil. Just not quite as aggressive. But he would pick aggression up playing beside Yanda Osemele and Urschel. He could very well jump over Tunsil. He is that good!! Nkimdiche I may like Nkimdiche round3 if he is there. And I really like Boyd round2 or even trade back into round1 for him Doctson or Thomas. I heard Boyd has run sub 4.5 but unfortunately also struggles to separate sometimes. I dunno if it is true. Not watched many games to know.

[PurpleCity5]

I think Michael Thomas has a good shot to fall to us if Boyd rises, man how great of a pick would that be if he fell to us in the 2nd. 

[PurpleCity5]

The Browns are taking Bosa.

Just because a prospect is a good fit for a team does not mean they would take them. I remember in the 2015 draft Leonard Williams fell to Oakland at 4 and eveyone including Raiders fans was convinced the Raiders would take Williams, I even know a Raiders fan who was sold on Cooper but said Leonard Williams will be a Raiders if he is there and what do you know, they end up taking Amari Cooper.

Edited December 22, 2015 by PurpleCity5

[usmccharles]

Can't see Tunsil getting past Tennessee unless someone really wants Lynch which I don't see anyone willing to move up to the number one pick.

Tennessee is terrible.  I could see Tunsil, Bosa, NKem, and even Hargreaves going to them.  Too early for heargreaves imo, think most would agree.  Its still unclear what will happen with Nkem. 

 

Even if the Titans decide they like Bosa better and want to build their defense around him or trade down like you said, Tunsil won't fall to us. As long as the Chargers stay ahead of us in the draft order it won't happen. Then again, the Browns were close to trading Joe Thomas at the trade deadline so if they manage to trade him before the draft, then it's possible Tunsil ends up in a Browns uniform. Right now there is so much possibility for Tunsil that I don't see him in a Ravens uniform barring some things happening in free agency.

Pretty sure Joe Thomas has a no trade clause in his contract so i dont think they can move on from him via trade.  I agree that he doesnt get pass SD though

 

like i said in the other topic. I feel we will pass on tunsil due to his domestic charge. Im not sure he will even be on our board. But thats just me i guess

No idea how he wouldnt even be on on our board, considering how important that position is he will for sure be ranked somewhere on our board

 

But Marcus got killed WITH Lewan

I was talking to my buddy who is a Titans fan and we were discussing the possibility of moving Lewan over to gaurd and drafting Tunsil. Not a bad idea to build up the line for a young QB.  They also need RB help and secondary, but we all know a RB isnt going number one this year, i honestly wouldnt be shocked if they took Hargreaves if its not Tunsil.  Hard to justify taking Hargreaves number one though. 

 

Browns without a doubt will take a QB and Tunsil is the smart pick for the Titans. Leaving us between Bosa and Stanley. Which is honestly the toughest choice you could make. Both are elite prospects in my eyes, and very, very safe picks with high ceilings and high floors. 

Either that or the Browns will miss the point again and take Zeke Elliot. They are the Browns.    

Tyler Boyd in round two. Long speed + DUI. Old WR coach. Makes a ton of sense for us to take him if there. But someone will fall to us anyway. Just don't be Micheal Thomas. I think he's overrated a tad.  I would love this pick, good call. 

Third round.... That's where it gets tougher.

Fourth round if Nkimdiche is there we should pounce. We have a good dline coach and in the fourth round if you take a fourth DT that's where you're okay with a high risk high reward guy. Not like he's a dirty player like Vontaze.  I dont think there is any way in the world he falls that far, i still think he is going to go in the first.  i could easily picture the Seahawks grabbing him. 

That will be a tough choice, do we bank on Monroe staying healthy and get us help at pass rush, or get depth on the Oline. If Monroe stays healthy we can move Stanley to gaurd to learn the inside job. We lack a pass rush so badly outisde of Doom and Sizz and we need to groom Sizz's successor imo. I want Ogbah for that....doent know if thats possible. 

 

If the Browns take Elliot with their first selection i will die of laughter yet at the same time not be shocked at all

 

Boyd in the second i would be extremely happy. 

 

I dont think there is any way in the world he falls that far, i still think he is going to go in the first. i could easily picture the Seahawks grabbing him. 

[Inqui]

Browns without a doubt will take a QB and Tunsil is the smart pick for the Titans. Leaving us between Bosa and Stanley. Which is honestly the toughest choice you could make. Both are elite prospects in my eyes, and very, very safe picks with high ceilings and high floors.

If that's how the draft pans out for us, the coming Fiesta Bowl is probably the best thing that could happen to our scouting team. I get the feeling I'll be watching more than one replay of it.

[GrimCoconut]

First of all, I wouldn't be surprised if the Titans shocked the world and took Elliott with their pick, or even take Stanley over Tunsil. As much as we may view Tunsil as better, the Titans may like Stanley more. This could even be true for our very own Ravens.

I know it's probably unlikely to imagine the Titans taking Elliott, but it frankly wouldn't surprise me. Elliott would be excellent paired with MM and they would likely elevate the other's game. The Titans struggle to run the ball and may see this as their chance to get their Gurley. It wouldn't surprise me in the least. The run game would also help keep him clean since an effective run game also helps protect a QB.

[usmccharles]

First of all, I wouldn't be surprised if the Titans shocked the world and took Elliott with their pick, or even take Stanley over Tunsil. As much as we may view Tunsil as better, the Titans may like Stanley more. This could even be true for our very own Ravens.

I know it's probably unlikely to imagine the Titans taking Elliott, but it frankly wouldn't surprise me. Elliott would be excellent paired with MM and they would likely elevate the other's game. The Titans struggle to run the ball and may see this as their chance to get their Gurley. It wouldn't surprise me in the least. The run game would also help keep him clean since an effective run game also helps protect a QB.

I just cant see him going that early considering the way rbs are.  I agree they need a rb bad and should take him, but we dont know how highly they value David Cobb.  I bet they bank on sucking it up again next year and try to get fournette and take Tunsil this year.  Imagine how dominant that line could be and add in MM and Fournette, talk about a way to setup your franchise qb up for success, if he can stay healthy. 

[GrimCoconut]

I just cant see him going that early considering the way rbs are. I agree they need a rb bad and should take him, but we dont know how highly they value David Cobb. I bet they bank on sucking it up again next year and try to get fournette and take Tunsil this year. Imagine how dominant that line could be and add in MM and Fournette, talk about a way to setup your franchise qb up for success, if he can stay healthy.

What GM banks on a player in next year's draft to help them this coming year? That's a pretty stupid GM who likely won't have his job long.

I think they could well take Tunsil, don't get me wrong. I just don't think it's a foregone conclusion like many do.

Edited December 22, 2015 by GrimCoconut

[January J]

First of all, I wouldn't be surprised if the Titans shocked the world and took Elliott with their pick, or even take Stanley over Tunsil. As much as we may view Tunsil as better, the Titans may like Stanley more. This could even be true for our very own Ravens.

I know it's probably unlikely to imagine the Titans taking Elliott, but it frankly wouldn't surprise me. Elliott would be excellent paired with MM and they would likely elevate the other's game. The Titans struggle to run the ball and may see this as their chance to get their Gurley. It wouldn't surprise me in the least. The run game would also help keep him clean since an effective run game also helps protect a QB.

I think it's a strong possibility that our scouts and Ozzie may favor Stanley over tunsil. He seems like an Ozzie type of pick to me for sure.

[GrimCoconut]

I think it's a strong possibility that our scouts and Ozzie may favor Stanley over tunsil. He seems like an Ozzie type of pick to me for sure.

I would imagine we'd prefer Tunsil because of his all around game, but I would not be surprised if Stanley is our top LT

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

I would imagine we'd prefer Tunsil because of his all around game, but I would not be surprised if Stanley is our top LT

I don't think the two are that far apart anymore. I also think Stanley is a better fit for our offense. He's more of a finesse LT and that's what the ZBS likes.

I'd rather have Tunsil because of the all around thing but Stanley would do pretty well with us

[GrimCoconut]

I don't think the two are that far apart anymore. I also think Stanley is a better fit for our offense. He's more of a finesse LT and that's what the ZBS likes.

I'd rather have Tunsil because of the all around thing but Stanley would do pretty well with us

I don't really care. I like both a lot and I think they both should go top 5 in this limp draft. Stanley isn't nasty like I want so that's the only reason I like Tunsil more. His strength is a concern but you have to hope he'll improve there.

[usmccharles]

What GM banks on a player in next year's draft to help them this coming year? That's a pretty stupid GM who likely won't have his job long.

I think they could well take Tunsil, don't get me wrong. I just don't think it's a foregone conclusion like many do.

well obviously I didn't mean he would help them this year. Just don't see elliot going that early, but you are more informed on the college level than I.

[PurpleCity5]

I don't really care. I like both a lot and I think they both should go top 5 in this limp draft. Stanley isn't nasty like I want so that's the only reason I like Tunsil more. His strength is a concern but you have to hope he'll improve there.

Tyron Smith had strength concerns coming into the draft and I think Stanley is in a similar mold of a player Tyron once was coming into the draft. I think the first year for Stanley will be a learning process but he should improve greatly after that. I do highly prefer Tunsil because of the nastiness he offers, I think he is a safe bet quite honestly even with the influx of bust LTs lately.

Edited December 22, 2015 by PurpleCity5

[GrimCoconut]

Tyron Smith had strength concerns coming into the draft and I think Stanley is in a similar mold of a player Tyron once was coming into the draft. I think the first year for Stanley will be a learning process but he should improve greatly after that. I do highly prefer Tunsil because of the nastiness he offers, I think he is a safe bet quite honestly even with the influx of bust LTs lately.

Yeah that's a good comparison. I think you could say Tunsil is this year's Williams and Stanley is Smith

[GrimCoconut]

A name I think may fall to us is Jonathan Allen in the second round. He's freakishly good as an interior pass rusher, goes to Alabama, has strong and fast hands, and is surprisingly quick off the ball and good at setting the edge. His most glaring weakness is his weight.

[ravefan52]

like i said in the other topic. I feel we will pass on tunsil due to his domestic charge. Im not sure he will even be on our board. But thats just me i guess

Because he beat up his stepdad to protect his mom?? And then he turned himself in to the police? Idk I don't think we should pass someone up for doing what is right. We'll obviously do our homework with him, but that sounds more like the type of guy I'd want on my team. Edited December 22, 2015 by ravefan52

[Winchester]

Stanley has good power and he is getting stronger every week. As strong as Tunsil just not as aggressive as of yet. With his length and longer arms and slightly faster feet he could go before Tunsil. Would prefer Tunsil but both are better than the tackles of recent drafts

[Deflated Football]

if we re-sign KO to play LT and Tunsil is still on the board at 3 or 4, do we take him (assuming Bosa is gone)?

[GrimCoconut]

if we re-sign KO to play LT and Tunsil is still on the board at 3 or 4, do we take him (assuming Bosa is gone)?

Yeah, we likely do if we like him enough.

[JoeyFlex5]

I don't think the fo views Stanley really even close to tunsil. He struggled pretty bad against an NFL caliber bullrusher this year, there has to be some concern regarding his transition against the physical rushers of the afc North

[Deflated Football]

Yeah, we likely do if we like him enough.

I'd support that but VH3 is tempting

[PurpleCity5]

I want Bosa here really bad. He would solve so much problems here. Same with Tunsil. I'm banging on the door for either.

Edited December 22, 2015 by PurpleCity5

[Winchester]

if we re-sign KO to play LT and Tunsil is still on the board at 3 or 4, do we take him (assuming Bosa is gone)?

Yep!! Kelechi is the best left guard in the league hands down. With the rules favoring offenses and receivers if a team completely dominates the trenches it WILL lead to offensive domination like never before!! Offenses are just scratching the surface of scoring compared to offensive domination that could be obtained!! With an OLine fronting Tunsil Osemele Urschel Yanda and Wagner the ravens could run or throw with crazy success from 2 TE sets. Or play smashmouth and maul defenses from 3 and 4 WR sets and or explosive throwing plays of course. NFL defenses would be so off balance and tired from a dominating OLine that zoneblocks yet knocks opponents off the ball. Would just need a receiver like Boyd or Doctson to complete the offense and run gameplans with successful precision and balance.

[FastEddie]

I want Bosa here really bad. He would solve so much problems here. Same with Tunsil. I'm banging on the door for either.

 

Still really early on, but I could see this playing out. We will either take Bosa or trade back for Stanley depending on what Oz think is best case scenario. I'm sure it would be hard to pass up either way. I would be happy with either pick.

 

Anything can happen come draft day...

[PurpleCity5]

Still really early on, but I could see this playing out. We will either take Bosa or trade back for Stanley depending on what Oz think is best case scenario. I'm sure it would be hard to pass up either way. I would be happy with either pick.

 

Anything can happen come draft day...

Yeah, I do think there is a bit of a bust factor with Stanley while I feel Tunsil is the safer prospect. Bosa to me would solve a lot of our problems at OLB. If he came here, his ceiling would be with the likes of McPhee in his last year here with a potential of Suggs long-term, I'd take that and run away.