Potential Draft Trades

[usmccharles]

One thing I'm seeing a lot of is "I don't think this player is worth the 3rd pick so let's trade back."  It takes 2 teams to make that trade.  If we don't view someone as worthy of that pick, why would another team give up even more value to pick a guy there?

Easy, because everyone's draft board isnt the same.  Say the Saints love VH3 and think he should go number one overall, but thats too expensive for them to move up but hes there when we pick...that might be cost effective in their eyes to make the trade.  In a way your statement implies that everyone views each player the same and will have the exact same draft board. 

 

But i do agree that trading back will be very difficult this year...

Edited December 23, 2015 by usmccharles

[Xmadraven]

It's not impossible the draft class has some blue chippers (6ish by my count) 

 

We should pick in the 4-10 range so we'll see.

[ellicottraven]

If Bosa or Tunsil are out before we pick, then it doesn't really matter when we pick as long as it is in the top 7 I think. My sense is that we aren't going with Stanley, but instead with either Ramsey (my preferance) or VH3. I believe both these guys will be available for us to choose from regardless of where we are between 3 and 7.

Edited December 23, 2015 by ellicottraven

[ellicottraven]

Easy, because everyone's draft board isnt the same.  Say the Saints love VH3 and think he should go number one overall, but thats too expensive for them to move up but hes there when we pick...that might be cost effective in their eyes to make the trade.  In a way your statement implies that everyone views each player the same and will have the exact same draft board. 

 

But i do agree that trading back will be very difficult this year...

It will be difficult to trade back and get the value that the Rams got for RG3. That was a one off situation - almost a perfect storm. As for us, trading back isn't going to be as profitable or easy unless of course a team covets a player so much and believe he'll be gone next!

[usmccharles]

It will be difficult to trade back and get the value that the Rams got for RG3. That was a one off situation - almost a perfect storm. As for us, trading back isn't going to be as profitable or easy unless of course a team covets a player so much and believe he'll be gone next!

Oh no doubt, theres no one player in this draft that is "that guy", in that draft there were two guys.  But lets say we pick at 4 and a team at 6 wants to move up, would you do it for a second rounder? Thrird?etc...  Just like others said, we cant compare what a draft pick should haul to recent draft trades, there is no RG3 in this draft, so the price wont be equal...but how much is the thing? and is it beneficial.   Like i said i dont think we will trade back, but we never know how other teams covet a certain  prospect. 

Edited December 23, 2015 by usmccharles

[ellicottraven]

Oh no doubt, theres no one player in this draft that is "that guy", in that draft there were two guys.  But lets say we pick at 4 and a team at 6 wants to move up, would you do it for a second rounder? Thrird?etc...  Just like others said, we cant compare what a draft pick should haul to recent draft trades, there is no RG3 in this draft, so the price wont be equal...but how much is the thing? and is it beneficial.   Like i said i dont think we will trade back, but we never know how other teams covet a certain  prospect. 

You're right. I think it is a little too early for this kind of speculation. Once the draft order is set and as the best players get set and we get a sense for which team covets who, we'll be better able to determine the chance of a trade back I suppose....

[usmccharles]

You're right. I think it is a little too early for this kind of speculation. Once the draft order is set and as the best players get set and we get a sense for which team covets who, we'll be better able to determine the chance of a trade back I suppose....

Thats what is going to take forever.  Because so many reports will come out, then we will have the combine....then 100s of mock drafts, then all the pro-days, then the next round of mock drafts.  It would be nice if Tennesse comes out and says who they are taking ahead of time. 

[RaineV1]

I'd like to make a bold statement here.. I think that Alexander is going to be a carbon copy of vh3 once they both have a year under their belts and Alexander may even end up better if the rumors of his insane film study habits are true

Alexander is part of the reason I'd want the Ravens to trade back. I think he's going to be better than the the guys expected to go in the top five or top ten.

[JoeyFlex5]

Alexander is part of the reason I'd want the Ravens to trade back. I think he's going to be better than the the guys expected to go in the top five or top ten.

yup, him and ngakoue are my 2 most underrated guys this year

[ravensnation5220]

yup, him and ngakoue are my 2 most underrated guys this year

Totally agree, id also throw in vonn bell in there. Kid reminds me of earl thomas the way he flies around the feild

[RavensFanMania]

Totally agree, id also throw in vonn bell in there. Kid reminds me of earl thomas the way he flies around the feild

In my judgement, he won't be underrated after the combine and that is unfortunate as I'd love him in the 2nd round, depending on who we drafted in the first.  He's a much better fit for our defense than Ramsey. 

Edited December 24, 2015 by RavensFanMania

[GrimCoconut]

In my judgement, he won't be underrated after the combine and that is unfortunate as I'd love him in the 2nd round, depending on who we drafted in the first. He's a much better fit for our defense than Ramsey.

That doesn't mean we can't have him. See the Harrison Smith trade for a similar scenario. Our first two picks may even be reminiscent of the Vikings' top 2 that year lol

[January J]

We keep thinking that once bosa and tunsil are gone that we will be able to have our choice of Stanley Hargreaves or Ramsey around 6-8 but won't other teams feel the same away about getting one of those guys after the top 2 are gone? The drop off after those 2 is pretty significant so who's to say that the teams between 3 and 6 won't have to reach for those other 3 either? It's possible that if we trade back every single one of those guys will be gone. I guess in that case we would just have to grab a guy like ogbah?

[PurpleCity5]

We keep thinking that once bosa and tunsil are gone that we will be able to have our choice of Stanley Hargreaves or Ramsey around 6-8 but won't other teams feel the same away about getting one of those guys after the top 2 are gone? The drop off after those 2 is pretty significant so who's to say that the teams between 3 and 6 won't have to reach for those other 3 either? It's possible that if we trade back every single one of those guys will be gone. I guess in that case we would just have to grab a guy like ogbah?

They would either have to trade with us or San Diego so I don't see that as a big concern. If a team moves up for Hargreaves then Stanley falls to us and vice versa. 

[Winchester]

That doesn't mean we can't have him. See the Harrison Smith trade for a similar scenario. Our first two picks may even be reminiscent of the Vikings' top 2 that year lol

Please Don't ever again bring up the Harrison Smith pick trade!! EVER!! Makes Upshaw that much more painful to watch!!

[RavensFanMania]

Please Don't ever again bring up the BLANK pick trade!! EVER!! Makes Upshaw that much more painful to watch!!

I have to agree with you on this one Winchester. 

[GrimCoconut]

Please Don't ever again bring up the Harrison Smith pick trade!! EVER!! Makes Upshaw that much more painful to watch!!

Yeah...easily one of our biggest draft mistakes ever.

[Winchester]

What would everybody trade if Marqise Lee is available?? I know he has underperformed and injury prone. But hear me out for a sec. It is not major Injuries. And like Harbs wants for all ravens players, perhaps a good training regime can help him avoid many of those minor injuries. And Marqise is as talented as a receiver can be. He can be coasting full speed but always has an extra gear to gain a step on even the fastest cornerbacks. I have never seen dbacks leave their backpedals as fast as when covering him. Watch his tape. It is rediculous how fast dbacks turn and run and play on their heels because of his burst and lightning routes. He plays far faster than his 40 time suggests!! His body control elusiveness and athleticism is top shelf as well. He has exhibited poor catch form and techniques at times because how much he leaned on his immense raw athleticism. He does need a good qb that will allow him to play fast and hit his breaks at full speed. Perhaps that is most impressive aspect of his game. He does not need to throttle down in and out of breaks and cuts. He actually kicks it in another gear. Perhaps I never compared receivers like Marqise and Beckham. He is as skilled as Beckham. Needs some bad habits coached out of him but nothing major. Jags have 3 young receivers that has built chemistry with Bottles. As well as a vet TE. Perhaps jags could consider trading him for a mid found pick. Perhaps even a 2017 pick. If Marqise and Campanaro could play Injury free dbacks will really be on their heels!! Campanaro and Marqise have very impressive separation speed, savvy shifty explosive routes for a complete game over the middle as well as athleticism to adjust to throws. Ravens could draft a posession receiver in round 2 as well like Boyd or Thomas as well as a more explosive Maxx Williams next year to give the ravens an explosive set of weapons. Couple that with good young running backs and a dominating OLine if ravens keep KO and draft Tunsil. And the ravens will show the NFL how to play offense in the modern era. Take into consideration A more explosive Maxx and Gilmore blocking and receiving the 2TE set will be devastating run or throw. The potential and payoff on Marqise would exceed the cost by leaps and bounds.

[Cillmatic]

^not happening

[Winchester]

Y not, I do not think it will either. Just like to hear your reason

[rmw10]

Y not, I do not think it will either. Just like to hear your reason

I liked Lee coming out, but those hands are brutal. I tried to overlook that aspect when evaluating him because he does have a nice skill set otherwise, but those hands are going to continue to hold him back. He lets far too many get into his body. Even when he extends, the ball seems likely to bounce right off of his hands. He's shown me absolutely nothing to believe he's ever going to be a factor in the NFL. Staying healthy and on the field is problem enough for him.

[Winchester]

I liked Lee coming out, but those hands are brutal. I tried to overlook that aspect when evaluating him because he does have a nice skill set otherwise, but those hands are going to continue to hold him back. He lets far too many get into his body. Even when he extends, the ball seems likely to bounce right off of his hands. He's shown me absolutely nothing to believe he's ever going to be a factor in the NFL. Staying healthy and on the field is problem enough for him.

I noticed and watched it 100 times. His problem is hand placement techniques. His hands are 3 feet apart til the ball arrives. That can definitely be coached out of him through coaching and the practice field. It is not a stone hands or athleticism problem like many Receivers have trouble adjusting to the ball because of not having the athleticism and drop it as a result. It is only a minor technique thing that could easily be fixed with coaching and practice. A large part of it is he is never really covered. He always has an extra gear to gain a step of separation which allowed him to get away with that poor technique of waiting on the throw and allowing it into his body. Would be a nice investment for a round 5-6 pick perhaps even 2017 round5.

[ravefan52]

What would everybody trade if Marqise Lee is available?? I know he has underperformed and injury prone. But hear me out for a sec. It is not major Injuries. And like Harbs wants for all ravens players, perhaps a good training regime can help him avoid many of those minor injuries. And Marqise is as talented as a receiver can be. He can be coasting full speed but always has an extra gear to gain a step on even the fastest cornerbacks. I have never seen dbacks leave their backpedals as fast as when covering him. Watch his tape. It is rediculous how fast dbacks turn and run and play on their heels because of his burst and lightning routes. He plays far faster than his 40 time suggests!! His body control elusiveness and athleticism is top shelf as well. He has exhibited poor catch form and techniques at times because how much he leaned on his immense raw athleticism. He does need a good qb that will allow him to play fast and hit his breaks at full speed. Perhaps that is most impressive aspect of his game. He does not need to throttle down in and out of breaks and cuts. He actually kicks it in another gear. Perhaps I never compared receivers like Marqise and Beckham. He is as skilled as Beckham. Needs some bad habits coached out of him but nothing major. Jags have 3 young receivers that has built chemistry with Bottles. As well as a vet TE. Perhaps jags could consider trading him for a mid found pick. Perhaps even a 2017 pick. If Marqise and Campanaro could play Injury free dbacks will really be on their heels!! Campanaro and Marqise have very impressive separation speed, savvy shifty explosive routes for a complete game over the middle as well as athleticism to adjust to throws. Ravens could draft a posession receiver in round 2 as well like Boyd or Thomas as well as a more explosive Maxx Williams next year to give the ravens an explosive set of weapons. Couple that with good young running backs and a dominating OLine if ravens keep KO and draft Tunsil. And the ravens will show the NFL how to play offense in the modern era. Take into consideration A more explosive Maxx and Gilmore blocking and receiving the 2TE set will be devastating run or throw. The potential and payoff on Marqise would exceed the cost by leaps and bounds.

Sorry but he is not anywhere near as skilled as OBJ. Id rather just draft a WR and not trade for one who's shown nothing really. Edited December 26, 2015 by ravefan52

[ArsenalRaven666]

Best case trade with Rams remaining 17th and Eagles 14th

 

Trade our 1st (2200pts) to Rams for their 1st (950) both 2nd (410 and 440).  We would also be owed around 400pts depending on where the Eagles rams end up for future picks

[usmccharles]

Best case trade with Rams remaining 17th and Eagles 14th

Trade our 1st (2200pts) to Rams for their 1st (950) both 2nd (410 and 440). We would also be owed around 400pts depending on where the Eagles rams end up for future picks

please enlighten me on the pts system. Edited December 27, 2015 by usmccharles

[RavensFanMania]

please enlighten me on the pts system.

just do a search on nfl trade value chart.  It definitely needs to be updated since Jimmy Johnson was the one that came up with the system.  However, now that there is a rookie cap and they are paid by the position they are slotted, it needs to be changed.

Edited December 27, 2015 by RavensFanMania

[usmccharles]

just do a search on nfl trade value chart. It definitely needs to be updated since Jimmy Johnson was the one that came up with the system. However, now that there is a rookie cap and they are paid by the position they are slotted, it needs to be changed.

ah I've heard of the chart... Will read up

[52520Andrew]

Not a fan of charts that only look at pick numbers. Trade value depends on the player available, not the pick number.

[RavensFanMania]

Not a fan of charts that only look at pick numbers. Trade value depends on the player available, not the pick number.

that's another reason why it should be redone. 

[rmw10]

Not a fan of charts that only look at pick numbers. Trade value depends on the player available, not the pick number.

 

I do think it gives a general baseline on what to expect, but as you said, it depends on the player available and also the strength of the class.