Potential Draft Trades

[JoeyFlex5]

This is why I believe Kaepernick and RGIII would not be an ideal fit over there. Id also add both of them struggles with going through their reads.

i actually think rg3 would be a great fit there, its a dumbed down version of the spread that doesnt require a smart qb just a qb with a good arm and good mechanics, which rg3 actually kinda has, he just doesnt have a mind for an nfl system. 

 

kaepernick though... dont get me started lol, he would great in track and field tossing javelins

[RaineV1]

Saints just drafted a guy last year, in the 3rd I think Garrett Grayson. Not saying he is any good but they have so many holes besides qb.

A QB, and protecting that QB takes priority over other needs. Without a good QB, you simply won't have a winning season.

[JoeyFlex5]

I don't see why you got so much negs lol. I agree with most if not all said here. After Tunsil and Bosa its hard to justify taking anyone else at 3, maybe Stanley but even I'm not convinced with picking him that high, though we might be forced to. I like Bosa a lot but I even have my small doubts about him. 

 

The top 3 IMO in terms of talent is, Tunsil, Bosa, and then Hargreaves, everyone after that is highly questionable. I'm split 50-50 on Stanley, I like his game a lot but I wonder how he will transition. 

i dont get it either lol, i guess having question marks on ramsey and vh3 makes you a bad guy around here, but neither of them are safe bets, especially at 3, and since stanley got worked by shaq lawson im worried about him facing nfl level bullrushers like carlos dunlap and james harrison. 

 

also, people are so sold on the idea of cleveland taking a qb at 1 or 2, im not seeing it yet, their pass rush is worse than ours and their FO hasnt given up on manziel yet, i have yet to see a source stating that cleveland wants to move on from johnny.

[PurpleCity5]

i actually think rg3 would be a great fit there, its a dumbed down version of the spread that doesnt require a smart qb just a qb with a good arm and good mechanics, which rg3 actually kinda has, he just doesnt have a mind for an nfl system. 

 

kaepernick though... dont get me started lol, he would great in track and field tossing javelins

RGIII does not go through his reads much, granted opposite of Kaepernick he has good accuracy and mechanics but going through his progressions is something he has struggled with, you can attribute it to a reason he got injured with holding on to the ball and taking off. He could be a fit there, but bringing him in would go against what Chip Kelly has preached about when it comes to locker room culture. 

[usmccharles]

Excelled

And yes. That's what I was going for

Thanks. It was hurting my head to think of the correct spelling.

[Ravens4Real]

I don't think any QB's coming out of college are worthy of a top 10 pick. I'd be very surprised if any team are dumb enough to trade all the way up into the top 3-5.

[Winchester]

Trade a round4 pick for Marqise Lee if he plays injury free next couple weeks. I maintain he could do all the things Beckham is doing if he gets comfy in an offense. Except maybe the one handed catches because he does not have giant hands. But his hands are not small by no means. His extra gear and is awesome and he adjusts to throws in a blink.

[Winchester]

Wouldn't it be ironic if rgknee ended up on the rams!!

[Clmraven]

i dont get it either lol, i guess having question marks on ramsey and vh3 makes you a bad guy around here, but neither of them are safe bets, especially at 3, and since stanley got worked by shaq lawson im worried about him facing nfl level bullrushers like carlos dunlap and james harrison. 

 

also, people are so sold on the idea of cleveland taking a qb at 1 or 2, im not seeing it yet, their pass rush is worse than ours and their FO hasnt given up on manziel yet, i have yet to see a source stating that cleveland wants to move on from johnny.

I'm with you on Cleveland everyone Thinks manziel is done but it seems his biggest doubter is Pettine and he'll be gone in a few weeks anyway, but then again it's Cleveland when have they ever done what's expected?

[PurpleCity5]

I'm with you on Cleveland everyone Thinks manziel is done but it seems his biggest doubter is Pettine and he'll be gone in a few weeks anyway, but then again it's Cleveland when have they ever done what's expected?

Even if Petine is gone I would not rule it out. They will have a new regime and maybe they feel getting a new QB would be the right move, they had plenty of suitors for Manziel. I do agree though, as of now it seems Pettine and Farmer are the only Manziel haters and they are about to book it lol.

[Winchester]

Kelly could end up trading a mid round pick for manziel.

[PurpleCity5]

Kelly could end up trading a mid round pick for manziel.

I think going from Bradford to Manziel would be a downgrade. I do hope you're right though, that would all but seal Cleveland taking a QB.

Edited December 22, 2015 by PurpleCity5

[JoeyFlex5]

I'm with you on Cleveland everyone Thinks manziel is done but it seems his biggest doubter is Pettine and he'll be gone in a few weeks anyway, but then again it's Cleveland when have they ever done what's expected?

but it seems the expected move is to take a qb, therefore i think they dont lol, and all signs point to them not taking a qb.

[PurpleCity5]

but it seems the expected move is to take a qb, therefore i think they dont lol, and all signs point to them not taking a qb.

There was strong interest in Manziel before the trade deadline. Who is to say he won't be moved? In that event, I surely see them picking a QB. I do agree, I think they stick with Manziel but they could trade him.

[Deflated Football]

Of course it's the Browns that put us in a sticky situation. If they select Lynch, we'll have Tunsil or Bosa, and if they don't, I don't like anyone left at 3 or 4 and if we can't find a trade partner, we're screwed. I really like VH3, but he's more of an 8-15 pick.

[rmw10]

One thing I'm seeing a lot of is "I don't think this player is worth the 3rd pick so let's trade back."  It takes 2 teams to make that trade.  If we don't view someone as worthy of that pick, why would another team give up even more value to pick a guy there?

[Deflated Football]

One thing I'm seeing a lot of is "I don't think this player is worth the 3rd pick so let's trade back." It takes 2 teams to make that trade. If we don't view someone as worthy of that pick, why would another team give up even more value to pick a guy there?

Agreed. But maybe a desperate, QB needy team will want to reach for one. Can't see it though. Think we're stuck at 3 or 4.

[Inqui]

One thing I'm seeing a lot of is "I don't think this player is worth the 3rd pick so let's trade back."  It takes 2 teams to make that trade.  If we don't view someone as worthy of that pick, why would another team give up even more value to pick a guy there?

That's one reason why I don't like the argument - the other is that picking a guy at 3 is being treated as what people think a third pick should be worth, which is relative to other drafts, which in turn is irrelevant to the big board. If you're picking at 3, you take the best player at 3 and that's what makes them worth the 3rd pick - not a case study of who went at 3 a couple of years ago.

 

But fwiw if we trade back I think the team that takes our spot will have eyes for a QB (or maybe Bosa, if that's how the board shakes out), so it depends on how sides view the QB prospects.

[Inqui]

Agreed. But maybe a desperate, QB needy team will want to reach for one. Can't see it though. Think we're stuck at 3 or 4.

If it makes you feel better, at least it's not the 2013 draft.

[Deflated Football]

If it makes you feel better, at least it's not the 2013 draft.

True!!! I would take VH3 over literally anyone drafted in that first round.

[rmw10]

That's one reason why I don't like the argument - the other is that picking a guy at 3 is being treated as what people think a third pick should be worth, which is relative to other drafts, which in turn is irrelevant to the big board. If you're picking at 3, you take the best player at 3 and that's what makes them worth the 3rd pick - not a case study of who went at 3 a couple of years ago.

 

But fwiw if we trade back I think the team that takes our spot will have eyes for a QB (or maybe Bosa, if that's how the board shakes out), so it depends on how sides view the QB prospects.

 

Yep.  Exactly.  I think QB is the only real hope of trading back, and even then, there isn't a consensus top guy out there.  That makes it much harder to justify giving up a future 1st to get a guy.  I think trading is more wishful thinking the anything.

[January J]

Yep.  Exactly.  I think QB is the only real hope of trading back, and even then, there isn't a consensus top guy out there.  That makes it much harder to justify giving up a future 1st to get a guy.  I think trading is more wishful thinking the anything.

there will be some qbs that move up their draft stock after the combine and what not. Their usually always is.

[Inqui]

Yep.  Exactly.  I think QB is the only real hope of trading back, and even then, there isn't a consensus top guy out there.  That makes it much harder to justify giving up a future 1st to get a guy.  I think trading is more wishful thinking the anything.

I've been coming around more to that way of thinking lately, but you never know. Our best bet for trading back is for a guy like Lynch or Goff to light up the combine and their pro days.

 

But if they don't, I wouldn't be upset with Stanley at 3. I don't buy the "he's not worth it at 3" argument - imo he's the best available so you take him and don't worry about whether he would have been taken at 6 in 1995.

[rmw10]

I've been coming around more to that way of thinking lately, but you never know. Our best bet for trading back is for a guy like Lynch or Goff to light up the combine and their pro days.

 

But if they don't, I wouldn't be upset with Stanley at 3. I don't buy the "he's not worth it at 3" argument - imo he's the best available so you take him and don't worry about whether he would have been taken at 6 in 1995.

 

Exactly how I'm looking at it.  The 3rd pick is the 3rd pick relative to the class he's in, not what other classes looked like.  I don't even buy, like you said, that guys like Stanley or Hargreaves wouldn't be worth it.  If they aren't, who is?

[Inqui]

there will be some qbs that move up their draft stock after the combine and what not. Their usually always is.

That's what I'm hoping for. Lynch is supposed to be 6'6 and 230lb (compared to Roethlisberger's 241, and the former will put on weight for sure). If he turns it on against Auburn, surprises everyone with his 40 time and still doesn't rise, then it just wasn't meant to be.

[Winchester]

True!!! I would take VH3 over literally anyone drafted in that first round.

except Hopkins and ogletree.

[JoeyFlex5]

except Hopkins and ogletree.

I wouldn't take ogletree over vh3 now, and without the luxury of hindsight, I'd take vh3 over Hopkins as well, he was highly regarded during the draft but he has really overachieved compared to what people thought he was gonna be

[Winchester]

I am not really a vh3 fan. I would also take ansah and Richardson over him. If you remember many scouts switched their opinion and called Hopkins the best receiver just before the draft.lol, A lot of scouts with the draft were the end of may with a couple more all star type games. Because many feel it is not enough time to evaluate and compare every player. And Hopkins shot up draft boards like literally a week before the draft or less. Another example. Another couple weeks of evaluating and Tyler Lockett would of been drafted ahead of Forsett. Not saying I would pick him top 10 overall but he was one my favorite players in the draft.

[GrimCoconut]

VH3 is a top-10 player for me, and probably even a top-5 player in this draft. There's a lot to like about his game, and he is a leader. He's not the leader you see in Ramsey, but he is more of an Ed Reed-type of leader. Research how Hargreaves helped the younger Florida DBs and his impact on them. 

[JoeyFlex5]

I'd like to make a bold statement here.. I think that Alexander is going to be a carbon copy of vh3 once they both have a year under their belts and Alexander may even end up better if the rumors of his insane film study habits are true