Potential Draft Trades

[RaineV1]

Aside from getting the chance to draft the top player at their position, being high in the draft order also gives the Ravens the chance to get a king's ransom by trading down. Every year teams will give a lot to try to get that one guy they think they badly need -- usually a QB, of course. This draft likely won't be any different. The question is, who will be the teams that try to move up?

 

At the moment, there's two teams that stick out in their need for a QB moving forward: The Rams and The Eagles. Their trade ended up with both teams losing. Neither Foles nor Bradford could keep their starting jobs on their new team, and both are left without a true starter at QB. The Eagles are probably the ones that'll give up more because of how badly Chip Kelly wants the perfect QB for his offense, as we saw with his trade offers for Mariota last season.

 

There's also the chance a few times will want to move up and get Tunsil, but that's less likely.

[Drew P]

Aside from getting the chance to draft the top player at their position, being high in the draft order also gives the Ravens the chance to get a king's ransom by trading down. Every year teams will give a lot to try to get that one guy they think they badly need -- usually a QB, of course. This draft likely won't be any different. The question is, who will be the teams that try to move up?

 

At the moment, there's two teams that stick out in their need for a QB moving forward: The Rams and The Eagles. Their trade ended up with both teams losing. Neither Foles nor Bradford could keep their starting jobs on their new team, and both are left without a true starter at QB. The Eagles are probably the ones that'll give up more because of how badly Chip Kelly wants the perfect QB for his offense, as we saw with his trade offers for Mariota last season.

 

There's also the chance a few times will want to move up and get Tunsil, but that's less likely.

 

No way in hell they strike a deal with sore loser Fisher (if he's still around). There isnt a top QB that can operate Kelly's useless offense this year. Goff, Lynch and Cook are all pocket passers.

[JoeyFlex5]

i dont think a pick outside of the top 3 holds much value this year. moving from 4 to 3 would take a kings ransom, moving from 10 to 4 would net a 2nd and maybe a 2nd the following year if you can start a bidding war. 

 

if we make it to 3, tunsil or bosa are the only options even close to holding value and no player outside of those 2 are safe enough bets to trade back from there, and at 4 you can forget about it unless 2 teams take a qb. if we cant get a trade back from 4 then we are going to have one sad front office.

[RavensFanMania]

No way in hell they strike a deal with sore loser Fisher (if he's still around). There isnt a top QB that can operate Kelly's useless offense this year. Goff, Lynch and Cook are all pocket passers.

Yeah, but so is Bradford and he traded for him.

[Drew P]

Yeah, but so is Bradford and he traded for him.

 

And that's not going so well

[RavensFanMania]

And that's not going so well

agreed, but it's Kelly we are talking about

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Nick Foles was a pocket passer and he excelled in that offense. Your point is moot.

[JoeyFlex5]

chips offense is not about running qb's. its about quick release and limiting turnovers, and not overthinking while being able to mentally manage an up tempo system.

[sflegend89]

If we pick #3 like it stands right now I'm trying to trade out if Bosa or Tunsil aren't there. I love Ramsey and Vh3 but I just don't think you can justify taking either of them THAT high. I think you try to shop that pick to a team that wants Lynch or Goff and fell in love with one of them enough to give up a big haul to make sure they get their guy. Ideally a trade that involves a 1st round pick next year. 

 

We can then grab a stud like Treadwell and have two 1st rounders next year.

[RaineV1]

If we pick #3 like it stands right now I'm trying to trade out if Bosa or Tunsil aren't there. I love Ramsey and Vh3 but I just don't think you can justify taking either of them THAT high. I think you try to shop that pick to a team that wants Lynch or Goff and fell in love with one of them enough to give up a big haul to make sure they get their guy. Ideally a trade that involves a 1st round pick next year. 

 

We can then grab a stud like Treadwell and have two 1st rounders next year.

That's pretty much the same mentality I have right now. There are guys I like, but not many I'd want to use a top 5 pick on.

[Deflated Football]

And what if we can't find a trade partner? I think we select VH3.

[edthehead]

this is what i have been saying for awhile now,, that is a dream scenario,, a lot more high prospects next year, so  we have awful year and no amari cooper , no khalil mack, I want this bad year to pay dividends, so next year,,, yes   

[sflegend89]

And what if we can't find a trade partner? I think we select VH3.

 

Realistic possibility. Nobody is trading up for a DB, it would have to be for a QB. We'll have to see how Lynch/Goff do at their pro day/combine and what kind of grade scouts put on them closer to the draft. We should all be hoping their stock rises, that's our best shot at finding a trade partner.

 

If we don't have a trade partner and Bosa and Tunsil are gone I think Ramsey/VH3 are both options and a guy I could see being a late riser is DeForest Buckner, actually a better fit scheme wise than Bosa and could be an absolute monster. Wouldn't be surprised if he shoots up draft boards in these coming months.

[PurpleCity5]

chips offense is not about running qb's. its about quick release and limiting turnovers, and not overthinking while being able to mentally manage an up tempo system.

This is why I believe Kaepernick and RGIII would not be an ideal fit over there. Id also add both of them struggles with going through their reads.

[January J]

This is why I believe Kaepernick and RGIII would not be an ideal fit over there. Id also add both of them struggles with going through their reads.

I disagree, I've got a pretty strong hunch that one of those two will be in philly next year. Most likely kaepernick. Regardless I think the niners will be one of the teams in the mix to trade up for a qb.

[PurpleCity5]

I disagree, I've got a pretty strong hunch that one of those two will be in philly next year. Most likely kaepernick. Regardless I think the niners will be one of the teams in the mix to trade up for a qb.

Chip's ideal QB is someone who can be accurate with his ball placement over the middle. Kaepernicks ball placement is a serious problem as well as his ability to go through his reads which is something you need in a Chip Kelly offense. Granted, I've seen Kaepernick go through his reads before, but he is very inconsistent with it. I also think his decision making is seriously questionable as well as his ability to make quick decisions.  The biggest reason why people say Kaep and RGIII are a fit is simply because of their ability to run. Sure, as a dual threat defenses need to stay on their heels with Kaepernick, but in the passing game, I think he will drive Chip Kelly nuts. 

 

As for the latter, RGIII, he shares some of Kaep's struggles outside of accuracy, but one reason why I rule it out is because Chip Kelly's ramblings of culture. He got rid of DeSean, McCoy, Cary Williams, and ect. simply because he does not want a locker room with personalities. Griffin III has his own demons to fight with in terms of personality and I feel that may rule him out. 

 

I think Bradford is a better fit as of now and he has been playing a lot better since returning from that injury. Chip Kelly's job security isn't that strong so if he wants to keep his job then he should quit experimenting. 

[Inqui]

Chip's ideal QB is someone who can be accurate with his ball placement over the middle. Kaepernicks ball placement is a serious problem as well as his ability to go through his reads which is something you need in a Chip Kelly offense. Granted, I've seen Kaepernick go through his reads before, but he is very inconsistent with it. I also think his decision making is seriously questionable as well as his ability to make quick decisions.  The biggest reason why people say Kaep and RGIII are a fit is simply because of their ability to run. Sure, as a dual threat defenses need to stay on their heels with Kaepernick, but in the passing game, I think he will drive Chip Kelly nuts. 

 

As for the latter, RGIII, he shares some of Kaep's struggles outside of accuracy, but one reason why I rule it out is because Chip Kelly's ramblings of culture. He got rid of DeSean, McCoy, Cary Williams, and ect. simply because he does not want a locker room with personalities. Griffin III has his own demons to fight with in terms of personality and I feel that may rule him out. 

 

I think Bradford is a better fit as of now and he has been playing a lot better since returning from that injury. Chip Kelly's job security isn't that strong so if he wants to keep his job then he should quit experimenting. 

I negged this by mistake, but that was supposed to go the other way. I agree that there's far more to Chip's system than simply being able to move quickly (and running being an implied part of that). The QB needs to get a quick read on what the other side's offering up, and make an accurate throw. It's good that they can run, but I don't think RG3 or Kap are good fits in Philly at all.

Edited December 22, 2015 by Inqui

[PurpleCity5]

I negged this by mistake, but that was supposed to go the other way. I agree that there's far more to Chip's system than simply being able to move quickly (and running being an implied part of that). The QB needs to get a quick read on what the other side's offering up, and make an accurate throw. It's good that they can run, but I don't think RG3 or Kap are good fits in Philly at all.

I think what Chip Kelly is looking for at a QB is simply non-existent. If someone like that comes around, then they are going #1 or #2 overall in the draft, case in point Marcus Mariota who is a great fit for that offense. I agree with your points, they are run threats but outside of that they can't do what needs to be done in the passing game. 

[PurpleCity5]

As sad as it sounds, this looks to be Drew Brees last year in New Orleans. They are doing awful right now and would save $20M by cutting him. If the Saints do that, then they are a team who can very well trade up for a QB. 

[PurpleCity5]

i dont think a pick outside of the top 3 holds much value this year. moving from 4 to 3 would take a kings ransom, moving from 10 to 4 would net a 2nd and maybe a 2nd the following year if you can start a bidding war. 

 

if we make it to 3, tunsil or bosa are the only options even close to holding value and no player outside of those 2 are safe enough bets to trade back from there, and at 4 you can forget about it unless 2 teams take a qb. if we cant get a trade back from 4 then we are going to have one sad front office.

I don't see why you got so much negs lol. I agree with most if not all said here. After Tunsil and Bosa its hard to justify taking anyone else at 3, maybe Stanley but even I'm not convinced with picking him that high, though we might be forced to. I like Bosa a lot but I even have my small doubts about him. 

 

The top 3 IMO in terms of talent is, Tunsil, Bosa, and then Hargreaves, everyone after that is highly questionable. I'm split 50-50 on Stanley, I like his game a lot but I wonder how he will transition. 

[usmccharles]

I think the 49ers, Saints, Rams, are all possible trade partners if they value the QBs.  I think trading back is the best thing that can happen because i believe Bosa and Tunsil will be off the board.  if we can move back even a couple of slots and pick up any decent draft picks its worth it to me.  Right now i would be happy trading back and grabbing Ogbah and hopefully get a decent extra pick or two that we can use next year. 

 

I would like us to think about next year's draft quite a bit and try to pick up some extra picks this year.  With comp picks being able to be traded next year, we could really go into next years draft with a lot of ammo and be very aggressive, which i doubt happens lol.  But i will be honest, outside of Fournette i dont know who next year is going to be out there....Fournette is wishful thinking but you never know. 

[RavensFanMania]

This is why I believe Kaepernick and RGIII would not be an ideal fit over there. Id also add both of them struggles with going through their reads.

neither of them can read a defense either.  RGIII is atleast a pretty accurate quarterback. 

[Drew P]

Nick Foles was a pocket passer and he excelled in that offense. Your point is moot.

 

Yeah sure, that's why he's third on the depth chart in St. Louis

[usmccharles]

Yeah sure, that's why he's third on the depth chart in St. Louis

I dont think he was stating that Foles is an awesome qb, think he was just stating that a pocket passer accelled in that system.  Even sanchez had some good games in that system...

[RaineV1]

As sad as it sounds, this looks to be Drew Brees last year in New Orleans. They are doing awful right now and would save $20M by cutting him. If the Saints do that, then they are a team who can very well trade up for a QB. 

Even if they kept Brees it'd be really smart of them to draft their QB of the future, like the Packers did when they knew Favre was on his last legs.

[PurpleCity5]

neither of them can read a defense either. RGIII is atleast a pretty accurate quarterback.

Yeah RGIII is surely accurate but reading defenses isn't a strong suit for him.

[PurpleCity5]

Even if they kept Brees it'd be really smart of them to draft their QB of the future, like the Packers did when they knew Favre was on his last legs.

The cap savings is pretty high at $20M. I see what you mean but for a team rebuilding they can surely use the extra $20M which is why I think they let him go but either way it would be smart of them to plan ahead.

Edited December 22, 2015 by PurpleCity5

[January J]

Chip's ideal QB is someone who can be accurate with his ball placement over the middle. Kaepernicks ball placement is a serious problem as well as his ability to go through his reads which is something you need in a Chip Kelly offense. Granted, I've seen Kaepernick go through his reads before, but he is very inconsistent with it. I also think his decision making is seriously questionable as well as his ability to make quick decisions.  The biggest reason why people say Kaep and RGIII are a fit is simply because of their ability to run. Sure, as a dual threat defenses need to stay on their heels with Kaepernick, but in the passing game, I think he will drive Chip Kelly nuts. 

 

As for the latter, RGIII, he shares some of Kaep's struggles outside of accuracy, but one reason why I rule it out is because Chip Kelly's ramblings of culture. He got rid of DeSean, McCoy, Cary Williams, and ect. simply because he does not want a locker room with personalities. Griffin III has his own demons to fight with in terms of personality and I feel that may rule him out. 

 

I think Bradford is a better fit as of now and he has been playing a lot better since returning from that injury. Chip Kelly's job security isn't that strong so if he wants to keep his job then he should quit experimenting.

yeah there has been those rumors about him being secretly racist. Not sure if there's any truth behind that or if it's like you said and he just doesn't want too many guys with big egos.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

I dont think he was stating that Foles is an awesome qb, think he was just stating that a pocket passer accelled in that system. Even sanchez had some good games in that system...

Excelled

And yes. That's what I was going for

[redlobster]

As sad as it sounds, this looks to be Drew Brees last year in New Orleans. They are doing awful right now and would save $20M by cutting him. If the Saints do that, then they are a team who can very well trade up for a QB. 

 

Saints just drafted a guy last year, in the 3rd I think Garrett Grayson. Not saying he is any good but they have so many holes besides qb.