[News] Timmy Jernigan Defends Hit On Alex Smith

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The defensive tackle said he was trying to ensure that Smith went out of bounds.

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[Smoke0121]

I like the idea of what Timmy Jernigan can mean to the defense. His attitude reminds me of a younger Terrell Suggs. The difference, however, is that Suggs was raised in a defense where you had to play with toughness AND discipline. Unfortunately in today's NFL, you're never going to win an argument justifying a questionable hit on a quarterback.

[boconnor]

He needs to get his eyes examined it was very obvious. The Ravens have gotten some very unfair penalties called against them this year this one was not one of them. I screamed at the TV when I saw it happen.

[merryjman]

This just points out how impossible it is to be a defender in today's NFL and not break one of its myriad rules. Hit a guy who catches a pass? Even if you led with your shoulder pad, half the time it's a defenseless receiver penalty. Swat a receiver's arm when he pushes off you? Pass interference. Hit the QB a microsecond too late, whether it's after he slides or he runs out of bounds or he throws the ball (in each case after the defender has committed to the hit)? Personal foul.

[Flamengo1265]

That was basically a turnover....and it cost the Ravens 7 points

[fusuymada]

BS. He was 3 yards out of bounds and he cost 7 points and if Harbaugh doesn't sit him down and tell him that's not how we do things here I would be shocked. Buck Allen commits an error costs 7 points and is benched. Jernigan costs 7 points because of an error and he gets off scot free. I don't think so. Last week Harbaugh laid down the gauntlet for Allen and told him if he fumbles again he will sit. If Harbaugh doesn't tell Jernigan the same thing then he is not the coach I thought he was. Jernigan is an issue and I know good players get leeway but he was a second rounder because of improprieties in his drug test. He didn't fail but he was caught cheating and he knows it and so does everyone else. There seems to be issues and if Harbaugh doesn't fix it, it will only get worse over time.

[n#7]

Please Timmy. Even your most ardent fans here(and there are many) aren't buying that excuse. Please do stay aggressive but let's use some common sense.

[RavensFanMania]

I guess he hasn't seen the tape yet, because he was out of bounds when he hit him.

[johnmike72]

Benching one player for the entire game for fumbling the ball 2 games in a row, and not benching a player who seems to not care about getting personal fouls, well, you can lose the locker room.

[BillyD]

Dumb play. Goes to coaching, once again. I realize some on the boards have said you can only coach players so much, they are ultimately responsible for their actions on the field, such as lining up in the neutral zone on multiple plays. The fact of the matter is that is precisely the job of the coaches. To review film, to correct mistakes, and if they happen again, to review and correct again, and if they continue to happen, to remove that person from the line up. This was not, by far, Jerniagan's first personal foul. And he had been benched previously for stupid plays. Ray Lewis used to say it perfectly. You play between the lines and between the whistles. That's it. If you can't figure that out, Timmy, you're in the wrong business.

[Space11jams]

It's completely different when you're watching the game at home on your couch than actually playing in the game at full speed. Yes I get that players need to be aware of stuff like that but the NFL does not make it easier for the defense at all. The league has become an offensive league, mainly for the QB's to thrive. Now when you're playing at full speed, sometimes it tough to decipher if I guy is going out of bounds or not because it's been countless times where guys would fake like their going out of bounce but cut it back for extra yards. Now you can argue that QB's won't do that type of stuff but you can't under estimate guys like Alex Smith because he can beat you with his feet. You have to look at it in the players point of view sometimes. This is not to take sides because I'm not but I get what he's saying and I get what the league is saying. If Alex did run up the side line then all of you screaming it was BS for him to hit Smith would be saying why he didn't tackle the guy. He gave up a big play for a 7-0 lead. You can't fault a DE for being aggressive. It's not like he tackled him and threw him to the ground. He was making sure he got out of bounds.

As for Buck. You can not compare the two! Buck fumbled the ball twice in two weeks. YOU CAN'T WIN GAMES TURNING THE BALL OVER! It's impossible to win in the NFL when you're giving up TO. If Buck wants to continue to be good, he has to learn how to control and carry the ball better so that he doesn't give up the rock that easy. The reporter saying it doesn't make sense to bench him and play the other RB called up from the PS, well we see why he's a reporter and not a coach. If he's holding onto the ball and getting yards, it would make sense to feed him the ball verses the guy coughing it up. So what he's a 4th rd pick, we're trying to win games regardless of our record. Buck also need to learn his lesson. If you want to stay on the field, hold onto the ball. Any coach will tell you that.

I open the floor for questions, comments, and(or) concerns. Go Ravens!

[rmcjacket23]

Dumb play. Goes to coaching, once again. I realize some on the boards have said you can only coach players so much, they are ultimately responsible for their actions on the field, such as lining up in the neutral zone on multiple plays. The fact of the matter is that is precisely the job of the coaches. To review film, to correct mistakes, and if they happen again, to review and correct again, and if they continue to happen, to remove that person from the line up. This was not, by far, Jerniagan's first personal foul. And he had been benched previously for stupid plays. Ray Lewis used to say it perfectly. You play between the lines and between the whistles. That's it. If you can't figure that out, Timmy, you're in the wrong business.

It was his second personal foul of the year. The first one was last week. 

 

So by your own solution above, he shouldn't be removed from the lineup, because it hasn't happened more than twice.

 

I'd also like to know precisely what a coach does to "correct the mistake". I'm asking for specifics... what exactly does a coach do in practice to show a player how to not line up offsides, or how to not hit a player who is already out of bounds?

 

I mean its easy to say "just correct it", but I'd like to know specifically how, because I frankly don't see it. Correcting a technique issue with tackling, or coverage, or throwing motion, or handling the football, etc. are all thinks I'd expect a coach to have the ability to show and correct.

 

What coaching technique, outside of saying "don't do it" do you use to stop a player from lining up offsides?

[Drew P]

I thought it was his third PF didn't he thump Carr on a late hit on their winning drive? I cant recall since this season is one i want to forget

[ksk316]

There is such thing as learning from your mistakes. This guy just doesn't get it.

Being aggressive is good. Being stupid is not.

I get all the real-time speed bs but as a pro football player you are supposed to know where you are and where the person is. Seesh!

[rmcjacket23]

I thought it was his third PF didn't he thump Carr on a late hit on their winning drive? I cant recall since this season is one i want to forget

Accepted penalties is what I looked up. He's had three accepted penalties all year. He had a roughing the passer penalty back in September.

 

I honestly don't recall the circumstances of his penalty last week against Seattle.

[MissRay27]

It was a dumb play Timmy,so take responsibility. Singletary said it right " Can't coach 'em, can't play with'em, can't win with'em. Play smart Timmy, don't be the reason your team loses. You can't explain it away or be arrogant about it.

[bioLarzen]

Timmy... it's good you want to be sure the guy gets out of bounds - but the thing is he already WAS out of bounds, and not even just a little... You can go on doing this, but you will be flagged each time, and will cost the team.

Good teammates don't do that. Zeal and enthusiasm are good, but they don't replace discipline.

[stixfix69]

why not...that's how the season has gone for us, everything that can go wrong has gone wrong....

[Ravenseconbeast]

He was clearly out of bounds. No one is going to buy that story and thinking you can fool fans with that explanation makes you a coward.

[BillyD]

It was his second personal foul of the year. The first one was last week. 

 

So by your own solution above, he shouldn't be removed from the lineup, because it hasn't happened more than twice.

 

I'd also like to know precisely what a coach does to "correct the mistake". I'm asking for specifics... what exactly does a coach do in practice to show a player how to not line up offsides, or how to not hit a player who is already out of bounds?

 

I mean its easy to say "just correct it", but I'd like to know specifically how, because I frankly don't see it. Correcting a technique issue with tackling, or coverage, or throwing motion, or handling the football, etc. are all thinks I'd expect a coach to have the ability to show and correct.

 

What coaching technique, outside of saying "don't do it" do you use to stop a player from lining up offsides?

Obviously, you're not a coach.  Or you'd know the answer to your question.  Also, Jernigan had a personal foul in the Raiders game that kept their game winning drive alive.  That's at least 3 this season, 2 in the past 2 weeks that have been quite costly.   Let me pose it to you this way - If you're running a business and an employee makes a mistake, what do you do?  Maybe counsel the employee?  Provide training?  If the mistake continues, what do you do?  Maybe some more training, remedial or otherwise?  If it continues, depending on the severity of the mistake, you might consider demoting or firing the person.  To suggest that a manager (which is what a coach is) has no role in correcting employee mistakes (which is what a player is) is pretty ridiculous.  But hey, you have your opinion, I have mine.

[verified]

another solid draft pick by ozzie :/

[BillyD]

This just points out how impossible it is to be a defender in today's NFL and not break one of its myriad rules. Hit a guy who catches a pass? Even if you led with your shoulder pad, half the time it's a defenseless receiver penalty. Swat a receiver's arm when he pushes off you? Pass interference. Hit the QB a microsecond too late, whether it's after he slides or he runs out of bounds or he throws the ball (in each case after the defender has committed to the hit)? Personal foul.

Apples and oranges.  There have been some VERY questionable calls that have gone against the Ravens this season, no doubt.  This was not one of them.  Unless Alex Smith can change direction in mid flight as he's already 3 yards out of bounds, there is no way he was continuing down the sidelines.  Jernigan was coming full speed and launched himself out of bounds and nailed Smith...AFTER Smith had landed out of bounds.  It was just a boneheaded play, plain and simple.  Aggression is good, in a controlled fashion.  Stupidity is not.

[ravenstime]

Jernigan is a good player and we're stopping the running game, each week, fairly well. He's getting some pressure, as much as most anyone else on our front 7. He'll learn to hold up when he realizes that unnecessary roughness penalties cost points in the end. He's defending himself, but he didn't have to knock him down, simply a touch or push and he wouldn't have been flagged, probably.

[GangofRavens]

All I want from Jernigan is consistent smart play. Gimme that Timmy. Kids got talent, but is inconsistent. With him, Williams, Guy and Carl Davis this D line should be dominating. C'mon man.

[cec327]

If he defends his hit --- says loads about his judgment. As I recall, this isn't the first bonehead play that he has made. Apparently, based on his response, more can be expected.

[randy davis]

I don't know. When he first hit him.. I agreed with it. Alex Smith showed later he will act like he's going out and turn up field for an extra 5 yards. Don't want anybody injured but I see what Timmy means.

[Crusader]

DEFENDS? I clown just does not get it. That's it Timmy, get a reputation for being STUPID. That will pay real well it the world.

[Crusader]

Jernigan is a good player and we're stopping the running game, each week, fairly well. He's getting some pressure, as much as most anyone else on our front 7. He'll learn to hold up when he realizes that unnecessary roughness penalties cost points in the end. He's defending himself, but he didn't have to knock him down, simply a touch or push and he wouldn't have been flagged, probably.

I stop reading after "good player", FOR the OTHER TEAM!

[Swift 1]

It was his second personal foul of the year. The first one was last week. 

 

So by your own solution above, he shouldn't be removed from the lineup, because it hasn't happened more than twice.

 

I'd also like to know precisely what a coach does to "correct the mistake". I'm asking for specifics... what exactly does a coach do in practice to show a player how to not line up offsides, or how to not hit a player who is already out of bounds?

 

I mean its easy to say "just correct it", but I'd like to know specifically how, because I frankly don't see it. Correcting a technique issue with tackling, or coverage, or throwing motion, or handling the football, etc. are all thinks I'd expect a coach to have the ability to show and correct.

 

What coaching technique, outside of saying "don't do it" do you use to stop a player from lining up offsides?

/There is a BIG difference between linining up offsides and hitting a player out of bounds. If was not even close, the guy  nearset to the QB pulled up and did not hit any  body

[Swift 1]

My JV coach in high school told me only to hit the guy between the white liness. I guess I learned from that