[News] Late For Work 12/21: Should Kamar Aiken Be Considered A 'Real' No. 1 Receiver?

[OzzieBisciotti]

Along with the coaches, I honesty believe that the FO (Oz and DaCosta) should also be evaluated at the end of the year. Five years of bad drafts has netted us nothing, no foundation and no good enough players...Jimmy Clausen now? Come on man... this team is getting ridiculous- we're at least 2 if not 3 years out from making the playoffs- we have more holes on this team than swiss cheese that's already been eaten..

[OzzieBisciotti]

Ellison- We're talking about Kamar Aiken- you need to please stop drinking the purple kool-aid that Mink is already drunk off of

[shiri2]

I think Kamar Aiken is developing into a #1 receiver. I already like him better than Torrey...cause he fights for the ball and attacks the ball, and protects it when he gets it. And because he plays with fire! Each game he's getter better and better, just like Crockett Gilmore was before he got hurt. If SSS comes back, I can see Aiken being the #2 receiver and continuing to be mentored by SSS for the year. Whatever happened to Marlon Brown? He showed such promised 2 yrs ago. Then they put him on the bench to evaluate some of the other receivers, and by the time they got back around to him it's like he got cold, and loss a step or 2.

[shiri2]

RAVENS vs STEELERS: usually no matter how bad we're doing, we always get up for the Squeelas! But with this group of Ravens, I don't expect them to play like Ravens or with swagger/attitude. The real, original Squeela hata Ravens we will have on the field are: Yanda, Dumervil, Osemele, & Webby. That's all we got, man. Antonio Brown is gonna have a field day. I think we'll stop'em on the ground, but when they go to the air and Big Ben starts to pick apart our defense, we're done. He met get another 5 tds on and Antonio Brown may get almost 200 receiving yards. None of our guys can cover him. Webby? All he's gonna do is fall down all day!!

[thieverycorporation]

No way a #1.  He has improved somewhat. I actually deplore the notion with more than 3/4 of the season in he books. I actually think the Ravens buy into the media hype of some of their current players. The record doesn't reflect the notion nor need for the question. Consistency in effectiveness has to be a consideration and he's not there yet. I just hope they (Ravens) don't have any sense of security in regards to a legit receiving corp. 

Edited December 22, 2015 by thieverycorporation

[OzzieBisciotti]

Oz- Perriman who? I'm sorry, I'm not familiar with that name. T

[Crusader]

Perriman is the first rounder sitting on the bench with other first and second round bust. Elam and Brown.

[I*Bleed*Purple]

Absolutely not! The dude has been force-fed the ball. If SSS was still on the field we'd still be talking about KA getting cut in the off-season.

[TheConquerorWorm]

Along with the coaches, I honesty believe that the FO (Oz and DaCosta) should also be evaluated at the end of the year. Five years of bad drafts has netted us nothing, no foundation and no good enough players...Jimmy Clausen now? Come on man... this team is getting ridiculous- we're at least 2 if not 3 years out from making the playoffs- we have more holes on this team than swiss cheese that's already been eaten..

That's why the closest you get to the Ravens is by posting the same tired dribble on the comment section......

[GangofRavens]

I have never seen a less accurate comment than this one. First of all, we are averaging far fewer points without Joe than with him. Pretty much every WR Flacco has had plays better with him than without him. Kamar Aiken had 0 career catches before playing with Joe, including a year and a half with Brady. He started putting up better numbers when Steve Smith got hurt, when Flacco was still playing, so it makes absolutely no sense to blame Joe for holding him back. Steve Smith was declining in Carolina, and at ages 35 and 36, he was much more productive with Joe. In fact, at 36 years old, he had almost as many yds this year in less than half a season as he did in his final year in Carolina. Torrey Smith is having a career worst year by far in his first year without Joe. Ed Dickson's #s have drastically declined since leaving Baltimore, and Derrick Mason was productive at age 37 with Joe, then couldn't even stay in the league. The only receiver that has put up better numbers without Joe than with him is Boldin, but that's because he was in Cam's offense. Once Cam was gone, Boldin put up a dominant postseason, something he has never come close to replicating with anyone else. Not one of the WRs that failed to make an impact with Joe have gone on to play well anywhere else. If I'm wrong, name someone who has. As far as Flacco not being able to read defenses and going through his progressions slowly, that couldn't be further from the truth. Greg Cossell, of NFL films, broke down film of Flacco, showing how quickly he diagnoses the coverage and makes the correct read. He actually understands how to break down film and evaluate a qb.

HA! "Less points" -Schaub has a dead arm, Clausen's been with us for two weeks,O-line revamped, lost starting running back, playing better competition. "Better with Joe" - Boldin posted first 1000yd season in years after leaving, Kapernick lost Harbaugh, Dickson already marginalized a couple of seasons before he left Baltimore. "Greg" Who is he?, Football ain't rocket science, Joe king of the check down. Nuff said.

[J.O.14]

Whether it's a loss by a little or a lot it does not matter.  I can't argue against something no one could possibly know and that is that we would have beat the Dolphins, if Flacco had played.  I can argue the facts though.  Turnovers more than anything cost us yesterday's game.  Joe isn't immune to turnovers .  In addition, Jimmy has only been with the team for two weeks.  Joe's been her 8 years.

And Joe has been to the playoffs 6 of those 8....won 10 playoff games....has been arguably the best post-season QB since 2011....oh and he won a super bowl by having one of the greatest post-seasons ever.....so you can have Jimmy Clausen.

[WNC-Raven]

I've been screaming on this board forever that FLACCO is the reason our receivers look bad. It's just to bad that it took him to get injured to prove that. I've said it all along we've got serviceable receivers. Clausen for Flacco and no I'm not kidding--the price is right. Flacco can't read defenses and he is slow in going through his progressions and delivering the ball. He is no elite QB. Nuff Said.

Wow, just wow. Can you imagine if we cut Flacco and brought in.....? Who are we bringing in again? Flacco would have the new highest contract in the league by the end of the week. Without a doubt. And we would be in the same situation as the Browns for the foreseeable future.

[Corvus]

Kamar should most definitely be in our plans next year.

Did I not read that the team signed Mallett to a two year deal? If so, get him out there for these last two games.

[NNITRED]

He's a killer possession WO that has grit and good hands. OTOH he isn't getting on top of many secondaries because he doesn't have the speed. He's a darn good chain mover.

[riseNConquer81]

Nobody ever said Aiken wasnt good. He's just not good enough to lead a passing attack. and came along a little too slowly to help us out in the end. We needed him to be good last year.

[Raven_Don]

I am tired of reading about draft picks being bust... look drafting is not an exact science... you are rolling the dice.. you have to hope that the individual is playing for the love of the game and not a payday.. then its if the individual fits what you need them to do and be for your team... this years draft proves it mightily... after all the hype of this year's wideout draft potentially rivaling last years draft... it has been anti-climatic to say the least...Cooper is the only rookie wideout with 1000yds receiving and then after him its Steph Diggs (4th round)... Dorial Green-Beckham (2nd round)... Then Funchess (2nd)... no other rookie wideout has made much noise... so are all these guys busts??? Its way to early to tell... some guys get it quickly others need time to develop... so I am not putting labels on a guy who hasn't put forth a body of work... Camp..Butler.. Waller... Aiken... Perriman... and one more deep threat... Many may not agree but I think Kamar has put together a good enough body of work that he should be a building block moving forward... what we need is O-line depth... secondary help which may already be on the roster... we had some nice young talent get hurt early in the season.. Julian Wilson... and Will Davis... then there is "developmental corners in Walker and Perry... I wouldn't be mad if we roll the dice on the Florida State DB... he has the swagger that you look for in a corner... and he's physical at the line of scrimmage... and more importantly a rush LB is higher on the priority list than wideout... in my opinion..

[gettin real]

Ravens stuck with Marlon Brown a little too long before finally giving Aiken some chances. Always thought he was the better of the two. If not a #1 definitely a solid #2 for next year. Brown and Givens should be released. Givens talked a lot of crap when he got here and hasn't backed it up.

[RavensDieHard21]

Aiken is a heck of a player! that is for sure

[steelcityraven]

I actually agree with Luke Jones on this one... Kamar is an NFL WR but he is not a starter. He has played well bc he gets more looks (out of necessity) then he normally would. The ball gets forced to him more then it normally would or should. (part of why we have so many INT's). He is a solid # 3 or more realistically #4 and can adequately step up and fill in but he is not a # 1 or # 2 in this league and TBH not even a # three on most passing teams. I am glad that he stepped up and made the most out of his opportunity but he is a mid tier WR at best moving forward. If SSS does not come back or if Perriman is not healthy -Kamar cannot be the answer... we would need to look to FA or Draft to replace either of them (and hopefully not both)!

[RavensBaltimore]

HA! "Less points" -Schaub has a dead arm, Clausen's been with us for two weeks,O-line revamped, lost starting running back, playing better competition. "Better with Joe" - Boldin posted first 1000yd season in years after leaving, Kapernick lost Harbaugh, Dickson already marginalized a couple of seasons before he left Baltimore. "Greg" Who is he?, Football ain't rocket science, Joe king of the check down. Nuff said.

Nothing you said changes the fact that there is a long list of WRs/TEs that have played better with Joe, and Boldin is the only one you could even consider an exception, but he could have had a couple 1,000 yd seasons with us if he didn't miss a couple games, and without Cam, he too was at his best with Joe. I don't care how long Clausen has been here. We are averaging 10 ppg with him, and we needed a fluke hail mary just to get it that high. And Greg Cossell is an NFL films analyst who understands coverages and formations. If you don't like him, just name one NFL coach or film analyst who thinks Flacco can't read defenses. Just one. He is frequently called a "cerebral qb" by people that actually know what they are talking about. And name a WR that hasn't made an impact with Flacco that went on to play well somewhere else. Give me one name. Take all the time you need. 

[RavensBaltimore]

has been arguably the best post-season QB since 2011

"arguably"?

[J.O.14]

"arguably"?

Well, number 12 that plays for the Patriots (as Suggs would say)  has been pretty good over that span. Would have to do some number crunching to find out who is better, but both have been fantastic.

[RavensBaltimore]

Well, number 12 that plays for the Patriots (as Suggs would say)  has been pretty good over that span. Would have to do some number crunching to find out who is better, but both have been fantastic.

It isn't close. Since 2011, Brady has a 2.3/1 TD/INT ratio, and Flacco has a 7/1 TD/INT ratio. Flacco is also averaging far more yds/attempt and has a better qb rating. Also, Brady padded his stats last year against injury depleted defenses and has the most dominant pass catcher in the league to throw to. Flacco has played against mostly healthy defenses without ever having a legit #1 target, and his numbers still dwarf Brady's.

[OUravensfan]

It isn't close. Since 2011, Brady has a 2.3/1 TD/INT ratio, and Flacco has a 7/1 TD/INT ratio. Flacco is also averaging far more yds/attempt and has a better qb rating. Also, Brady padded his stats last year against injury depleted defenses and has the most dominant pass catcher in the league to throw to. Flacco has played against mostly healthy defenses without ever having a legit #1 target, and his numbers still dwarf Brady's.

And Flacco wasn't using deflated balls or deceptive substituon patterns that were later made illegal.....