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What changes do you want to see for next year? (Merged)

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Wow. So one pass rusher is enough in your eyes? Gotcha

Yes, they dropped INTs when the year they ended the season with 19. They currently have 4 with two games left. Keeping acting like it's all the same. This team has dropped more INTs this year than in any year in recent memory. If they simply catch half the ones they dropped, we win many more games and the unit looks better.

I mention Rex a few times and I'm obsessed? Does the same apply to your constant hate of Pees? The point was simple, no DC fields a good unit without enough talent. The fact that the Ravens are currently ranked 14th is amazing enough with the lack of talent outside of run defense.

You do realize that in 2015, 3-4 OLBs drop in coverage a lot right? I mean, you really made that statement, wow. "There are worse guys than Lewis", wow. Compelling argument. Hill had a good coverage game in 2014 (overblown since he gave up 2 TDs). Name two other games he covered well in. And have you watched D.Smith this season or you holding on to the past like you are with Hill?

Who thought the defense would be one of the best on paper? Lost McPhee and Ngata. J.Smith coming off a lisfranc. L.Webb cleared slowing down to end last season. Hoping K.Lewis would be decent. Anybody that didn't come into this season thinking this defense had to prove itself was delusional.

I think Pees is on the level of most DCs. With talent, he'll do well (see first 8 games of 2014). Without talent, the unit will fail (see second half of 2014).

I said multiple times that Jernigan and Doom isn't a bad tandem. They won't crush great O-lines but they will look good against the bad ones. We got some nice pressure yesterday for example.

Find me the stat on dropped ints compared to earlier years and I'll take your word on it.

Because you keep trying to make it about Rex compared to Pees. Rex has one of the most talented defenses in the league and has struggled. No one in their right mind would want him back here. And yet that is the benchmark you are putting out there for Pees. He isn't as bad as Rex. That doesn't mean he is good. And I am just responding to your comments now. If I am obsessed about him being fired, you are just as obsessed about defending him.

They do against the RB and maybe TE. They aren't paid to be coverage players primarily or Doom never would be making 7 mil per. They get paid for sacks. Coverage is just a bonus.

Yeah Daryl Smith and Hill haven't been bad. Hill had a spectacular game against the Steelers and we don't win that game without him. He had a really great start to the season(don't know how he has done since although that Browns play was bad). Daryl Smith has been inconsistent but has shown flashes as well. We need someone for the future but he has been fine. And the corners have been pretty average.

What I am seeing is a front 7 that still has talent and a group of average coverage guys, middle of the field is a bit of a weak point but if that is all that is wrong with the defense, then why are they struggling so much?

We were being picked to win the Super Bowl. Larry King had us facing Green Bay in the Super Bowl. I think people expected the defense to be at least average.

When is the last time Pees actually made great adjustments for the defense or made a play call that threw the offense off? Average DCs in the NFL do that fairly often.

And as much as you want to defend the other stuff, we have not been able to hold a single lead all season, it is a common theme for years now. Even 2013 when the defense was actually good we blew leads. That is the biggest reason I want Pees gone, he has had years to correct this problem and we still have it. We would still have it now if our offense were healthy enough to get leads. He is the same DC who let the Giants drive down on the Pats in 2007, we nearly gave up the lead against San Fran(and lucked out with that no call on Jimmy), 2 14 point leads last year. We aren't winning another Super Bowl with the guy and I will happily eat my words if wrong.

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I mean, this is true, but again, the offense was largely healthy for about the first third of the season, and while I didn't think their offense played bad, the team itself wasn't very good.

At this point, we know what the offense is... its garbage. There's probably half the offense right now who is starting that for sure won't start next season and some of them may not even be on the roster.

The defense, on the other hand, is arguably about as healthy as any defense can be at this point in the year. Its just not very good, or at least, is very inconsistent.

Yeah the offense had a couple stinkers early in the year(we tend to do that which is why we need to build a good defense again if we want to compete) but when the offense did show up, the defense didn't.

And the last 2 paragraphs are exactly my original point. Injuries aren't an excuse for the defense this year. They just aren't good. I think people are being dumb wanting Harbs fired after 1 bad year but it has been the same story with the defense for years now. Personally I think it is just time for change and I was one of the guys in these threads defending Pees last year.

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Who is injured this season?

Besides Suggs who's out and J.Smith who's clearly playing injured?   Look at other players who have missed time compared to how they looked when playing.  Urban's looked pretty good and made an immediate impact.  It was virtually agreed upon that Will Davis was playing better than any other CB.  That's an additional pass rusher and CB for a defense that struggles against the pass.

 

And, I did say injured defense and lack of talent.  It's a passing league and our pass defenders and simply not that talented overall.  Suggs was the only complete LB.  Actually, he was the only one great in at least 2 of the 3 responsibilities a LB will have (stop the run, rush the passer, cover an offensive player).  The rest of the linebackers are good at one and average at best at the other two.  

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Personally I would go to the college ranks. The Clemson DC is a guy who has impressed me(forget his name). A bit risky to go to the college ranks but we need a young guy who can bring a spark to the defense and maybe provide a wrinkle we haven't seen in the NFL. Lots of good guys out there to be frank, Steelers guy isn't doing bad with what they have. We just need a change in the defense, just gotten too stale.

Venables is the guy youre talking aboit. Not gonna happen, might as well hope for Munchack lol. Id kill to get him here however he's the highest paid DC in history right now.

Id like to poach from AZ. But they run a 3-4. Maybe grab from Minn. They run a 4-3 and lead the league in ppg. Withnot a ton of talent either.

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Maybe Jeff Howard. Hes the Defensive Assistant in Minn. Been there 3 years theyve gone from 32nd ranked to 17th to 11th and this year 1st. Theyre doing something right over there.

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I said multiple times that Jernigan and Doom isn't a bad tandem. They won't crush great O-lines but they will look good against the bad ones. We got some nice pressure yesterday for example.

Find me the stat on dropped ints compared to earlier years and I'll take your word on it.

Because you keep trying to make it about Rex compared to Pees. Rex has one of the most talented defenses in the league and has struggled. No one in their right mind would want him back here. And yet that is the benchmark you are putting out there for Pees. He isn't as bad as Rex. That doesn't mean he is good. And I am just responding to your comments now. If I am obsessed about him being fired, you are just as obsessed about defending him.

They do against the RB and maybe TE. They aren't paid to be coverage players primarily or Doom never would be making 7 mil per. They get paid for sacks. Coverage is just a bonus.

Yeah Daryl Smith and Hill haven't been bad. Hill had a spectacular game against the Steelers and we don't win that game without him. He had a really great start to the season(don't know how he has done since although that Browns play was bad). Daryl Smith has been inconsistent but has shown flashes as well. We need someone for the future but he has been fine. And the corners have been pretty average.

What I am seeing is a front 7 that still has talent and a group of average coverage guys, middle of the field is a bit of a weak point but if that is all that is wrong with the defense, then why are they struggling so much?

We were being picked to win the Super Bowl. Larry King had us facing Green Bay in the Super Bowl. I think people expected the defense to be at least average.

When is the last time Pees actually made great adjustments for the defense or made a play call that threw the offense off? Average DCs in the NFL do that fairly often.

And as much as you want to defend the other stuff, we have not been able to hold a single lead all season, it is a common theme for years now. Even 2013 when the defense was actually good we blew leads. That is the biggest reason I want Pees gone, he has had years to correct this problem and we still have it. We would still have it now if our offense were healthy enough to get leads. He is the same DC who let the Giants drive down on the Pats in 2007, we nearly gave up the lead against San Fran(and lucked out with that no call on Jimmy), 2 14 point leads last year. We aren't winning another Super Bowl with the guy and I will happily eat my words if wrong.

Ok, so having overall overage pass rushing talent that can only do well against bad o-lines is good enough for you.

 

Sorry, I'm using games watched.  Unfortunately they don't record that stat

 

I'm comparing him to past Ravens DCs who were praised.  Fine, I'll stop there.  Who should I compare him to?  You refuse to acknowledge how much talent is needed on the defense and how often Pees has had an injured defense, so feel free to tell me what criteria I can use.

 

So of the 7 players that will be covering opposing offenses in the passing game, your point of emphasis is on player you haven't watched since.....week 5?  And another you call inconsistent.  You admit the coverage guys are average.  So doesn't that show that more talent is needed since we're getting beat mostly in coverage?

 

Last time Pees made changes.  This season.  He's gone from mainly dropping 7 in coverage to blitzing 7.  He's dialed up more DB blitzes than any other DC.  He's called stunts, delays, etc.  This is why I defend him more than most.  Not because I think he's great, but because he's flat out done everything possible and the unit still fails and people apparently don't see how often he's changed up schemes/strategies.

 

So every game the Ravens lost a lead on is the fault of the DC?  If the offense stops scoring, that's the DCs fault also?  You bring up the Pats/Giants superbowl as if Pees and his defense didn't hold the Giants to 17 points 3 games after that same Giants team scored 35 (aka he adjusted well).  I guess it's his fault Tyree had that fluke helmet catch also or that Samuel dropped a gift game sealing INT.  The Ravens defense was bad last year against the Patriots though, I'll admit that.  Of course I guess we're ignoring that Rashaan Melvin was abused for over 200 yards (in zone, man, press man, and off man coverages aka Pees continued to change it up).  We aren't winning "another" superbowl with Pees?  Maybe, maybe not.  Not like we won another one with Marvin Lewis either.  Superbowls aren't really easy to come by

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Venables is the guy youre talking aboit. Not gonna happen, might as well hope for Munchack lol. Id kill to get him here however he's the highest paid DC in history right now.

Id like to poach from AZ. But they run a 3-4. Maybe grab from Minn. They run a 4-3 and lead the league in ppg. Withnot a ton of talent either.

Yeah I can pretend though right?

We do run a 3-4 so that would work. I think we can find someone, I trust Steve and the F.O. to make that decision.

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Yeah I can pretend though right?

We do run a 3-4 so that would work. I think we can find someone, I trust Steve and the F.O. to make that decision.

Dream away bro lol. Id certainly be ecstatic also. As for scheme Id like us to switch to the 4-3 thats the horses we have. We need a Will backer and thats it, but that was where ABrown was toted to be best at coming out of college. We need to stop trying to fit square pegs into round holes. Think thats part of our defensive problems.
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Ok, so having overall overage pass rushing talent that can only do well against bad o-lines is good enough for you.

Sorry, I'm using games watched. Unfortunately they don't record that stat

I'm comparing him to past Ravens DCs who were praised. Fine, I'll stop there. Who should I compare him to? You refuse to acknowledge how much talent is needed on the defense and how often Pees has had an injured defense, so feel free to tell me what criteria I can use.

So of the 7 players that will be covering opposing offenses in the passing game, your point of emphasis is on player you haven't watched since.....week 5? And another you call inconsistent. You admit the coverage guys are average. So doesn't that show that more talent is needed since we're getting beat mostly in coverage?

Last time Pees made changes. This season. He's gone from mainly dropping 7 in coverage to blitzing 7. He's dialed up more DB blitzes than any other DC. He's called stunts, delays, etc. This is why I defend him more than most. Not because I think he's great, but because he's flat out done everything possible and the unit still fails and people apparently don't see how often he's changed up schemes/strategies.

So every game the Ravens lost a lead on is the fault of the DC? If the offense stops scoring, that's the DCs fault also? You bring up the Pats/Giants superbowl as if Pees and his defense didn't hold the Giants to 17 points 3 games after that same Giants team scored 35 (aka he adjusted well). I guess it's his fault Tyree had that fluke helmet catch also or that Samuel dropped a gift game sealing INT. The Ravens defense was bad last year against the Patriots though, I'll admit that. Of course I guess we're ignoring that Rashaan Melvin was abused for over 200 yards (in zone, man, press man, and off man coverages aka Pees continued to change it up). We aren't winning "another" superbowl with Pees? Maybe, maybe not. Not like we won another one with Marvin Lewis either. Superbowls aren't really easy to come by

Considering our defense has played well below average, average talent is underperforming.

Well hate to break it to you but games watched doesn't mean a thing. How do you know we didn't drop more in 2010 and were just in overall better position that year to get picks? That is more than likely the cause of our turnover drought.

Considering I knocked both down already, I'd say that is a great idea. Comparing him to the guy who has struggled on the Colts and Rex is not smart. You actually made my point for me saying that what he has done is pretty comparable to what Pagano has done. Pagano got brought into Indy to help the defense. Look how that defense has done.

Good coverage linebackers are a rarity in the NFL these days. Average is pretty good to be frank. That is kinda why offenses have transitioned more to the TE. Good defenses have good coverage LBs but a lot of teams don't. While I would love a guy who could hang around the middle of the field, we aren't being set back only by that fault.

Besides the Steelers playoff game last year, nothing I have seen him do has been all that smart. He put Kendrick Lewis on A.J. Green. He put Chykie Brown on A.J. Green last year. He tries to do stuff but what he is doing is not working.

One blown lead and I would be all on board with that logic. This happens all the time though and the excuses wear thin. It has happened over years and the Pats blew themselves plenty of leads under his watch as well. I don't know if he is just unlucky or what but he just can't hold leads. Maybe it is mental, I don't know. I just know that if we make the playoffs again, I just see more meltdowns in store for us. I don't view the offense being good enough to overcome this either way unless 2012 Flacco shows up. We need talent for sure but we need to change the culture of the defense. A coaching change also puts the players on notice. Kinda like the offensive system needed to change in 2014, I think the defense needs to have that type of change.

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Dream away bro lol. Id certainly be ecstatic also. As for scheme Id like us to switch to the 4-3 thats the horses we have. We need a Will backer and thats it, but that was where ABrown was toted to be best at coming out of college. We need to stop trying to fit square pegs into round holes. Think thats part of our defensive problems.

Don't know if I am sold on Brown these days as he has yet to do anything. If we switch to a 4-3 I would love to get a guy like Jack or Smith with our first pick.

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Don't know if I am sold on Brown these days as he has yet to do anything. If we switch to a 4-3 I would love to get a guy like Jack or Smith with our first pick.

Id like Smith if were picking say 7-10 with the 3rd? No. I talked about JSmith back when I thought we would be in the teens picking. But 3rd, no. Id rather get Scooby Wright with the 36th pick tbh. Tunsil, or Ramsey with the 3rd. A draft of Ramsey, Wright, a WR, than bpa including a couple more OL.

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Id like Smith if were picking say 7-10 with the 3rd? No. I talked about JSmith back when I thought we would be in the teens picking. But 3rd, no. Id rather get Scooby Wright with the 36th pick tbh. Tunsil, or Ramsey with the 3rd. A draft of Ramsey, Wright, a WR, than bpa including a couple more OL.

Not Ramsey with the 3rd but I do agree that I would trade back and take either. Tunsil, Stanley, or Bosa for me

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The 4-3 is what we need to switch to. ZSmith, graded and played as a DE. Urban was a DT but played all along the line. Size for a DE, especially those long arms and ht to stop and screens or passes into the flat on his side. BWill was a NT in a 4-3. Upshaw was graded best for a 4-3. Carl Davis played in a 4-3. Jerrigan was a undersized dt in a 3-4 but could rotate in a 4-3. Bama and Mosley. Again 4-3. ABrown 4-3 backer. No wonder they all play subpar in a 3-4. Most have never played in one till they got here.

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Not Ramsey with the 3rd but I do agree that I would trade back and take either. Tunsil, Stanley, or Bosa for me

Honestly I think we need Ramsey moreso than Bosa. Yes Bosa is prob the best player on the board. Tenn would be foolish not to take him. That said next year we have no FS. Lewis is horrible. Brooks, who knows whats up with him. Ramsey is a playmaker that we desperately need to produce turnovers and be put in a single high look to roam, sorta like what Seattle does.

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Honestly I think we need Ramsey moreso than Bosa. Yes Bosa is prob the best player on the board. Tenn would be foolish not to take him. That said next year we have no FS. Lewis is horrible. Brooks, who knows whats up with him. Ramsey is a playmaker that we desperately need to produce turnovers and be put in a single high look to roam, sorta like what Seattle does.

Rasey is not a guy to cover the deep part of the field though

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Besides Suggs who's out and J.Smith who's clearly playing injured?   Look at other players who have missed time compared to how they looked when playing.  Urban's looked pretty good and made an immediate impact.  It was virtually agreed upon that Will Davis was playing better than any other CB.  That's an additional pass rusher and CB for a defense that struggles against the pass.

 

And, I did say injured defense and lack of talent.  It's a passing league and our pass defenders and simply not that talented overall.  Suggs was the only complete LB.  Actually, he was the only one great in at least 2 of the 3 responsibilities a LB will have (stop the run, rush the passer, cover an offensive player).  The rest of the linebackers are good at one and average at best at the other two.  

So in other words Suggs. Pees has no excuse for the pitiful defense this season. None at all. No one expects the defense to be Top 5 but ranked 32nd in the league, yeah, no excuse for that sorry.

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So in other words Suggs. Pees has no excuse for the pitiful defense this season. None at all. No one expects the defense to be Top 5 but ranked 32nd in the league, yeah, no excuse for that sorry.

I don't know if we're ranked 32nd, but I get your point.

 

By the way, your sig. LOL! Gotta love your determination. 

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I don't know if we're ranked 32nd, but I get your point.

 

By the way, your sig. LOL! Gotta love your determination. 

Total yds: 14th

PPG: 25th

Passing yds: 18th

Opposing QB rating: 29th (a whopping 101.9)

Rushing D: 22nd

 

At one point we were 32nd in pass D but then we met lesser talented offenses. I'm sure after facing Big Ben & the Bengals we'll be back down there lol

 

Yeah I gave up counting on the sig so I'd have to reconfigure it all at this point lol

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Actual talent on the field so people can stop thinking the coordinators are the reason units are bad.  I'd swear most people forget what Rex's 2007 defense looked like with a lack of talent.  And I still can't believe Trestman gets crucified when you look at the offensive depth chart.  

 

So yeah, that'd be the biggest change to me

 

The defense isn't void of talent. Don't get me wrong it's not a stacked unit but the product on the field should be MUCH better for the guys that we do have on that side of the ball. Trestman get's a pass in my book, Pees not so much. I think his scheme/philosophy is flawed and he doesn't put guys in the best opportunities to be successful. The defense needs a face lift. Keep the 3-4 base and bring in a new DC.

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I'd like to see a dominant running game. Atm we're ranked 20th with 3.9ypa (we've been like that for weeks now so it has nothing to do with the starters) and tied with five other sides that rank as high as 17th, so I'd say it's middling as of now.

 

I'd like to see us get an OL that's dominant enough to keep us in the top 10, so the figure I'd like to see us pushing is 4.5ypa. If we can run the ball like that, it'll go a long way to helping Joe become more consistent and we can roll out some dominant clock-eating drives when needed (think of what Denver put on us in the last quarter), which would also mask a lot of our defensive deficiencies.

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Aiken has been a pleasant surprise and proven he can be a starter, but I'm worried Ozzie will rely on only him and a bunch of unproven guys next year.

This happens almost every year. We overestimate what we have at the position and it ends up biting us in the behind. Right now we have Aiken, who's been playing like a good no 2 and Breshad who has talent but has a number of question marks including injuries and never playing in the league. We need more than that. Camp can't stay healthy to save and life and everyone else hasn't shown anything to suggest they should be any kind of starter.

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Seeing our current roster back together healthy is going to be significant. 

 

I am not 100% convinced Pees is as bad as many here claim.  I can't help but wonder if secondary coaching might be the issue.  I am not sure there is any real way to determine with any real difinity. 

 

All that said secondary is where I think the focus needs to be.  If we could just find a time machine for Ed. 

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The defense isn't void of talent. Don't get me wrong it's not a stacked unit but the product on the field should be MUCH better for the guys that we do have on that side of the ball. Trestman get's a pass in my book, Pees not so much. I think his scheme/philosophy is flawed and he doesn't put guys in the best opportunities to be successful. The defense needs a face lift. Keep the 3-4 base and bring in a new DC.

 

a lot of people say this but i have yet to see anybody give a good example of what would give guys the best opportunity to be successful.

 

as far as i can see  a lot of players are good at different things and i think its pretty much impossible to have a scheme that will suit everyone.

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I'd like to see a dominant running game. Atm we're ranked 20th with 3.9ypa (we've been like that for weeks now so it has nothing to do with the starters) and tied with five other sides that rank as high as 17th, so I'd say it's middling as of now.

 

I'd like to see us get an OL that's dominant enough to keep us in the top 10, so the figure I'd like to see us pushing is 4.5ypa. If we can run the ball like that, it'll go a long way to helping Joe become more consistent and we can roll out some dominant clock-eating drives when needed (think of what Denver put on us in the last quarter), which would also mask a lot of our defensive deficiencies.

I agree, I want the run game to return. Its a shame that the 2016 RB class is not as strong as the 2017 one. That class looks sick. I'm hoping someone could emerge from our backfield. I hope Forsett can come back and put up the same production that he put up in 2014 but I also have high hopes for Lorenzo Taliafero who showed a lot of flashes last year and fits this run game very well. There were times we leaned on him in the run game, exp: Vs. Cleveland and Cincinnati, so maybe he returns and becomes our guy, but I just don't know if he'll get that opportunity because of injuries.  

 

My pick would probably be the offensive line which has declined last year. I really think both our run/pass game starts there and I really hope we do something at LT, something that continues to be a problem for us. 

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These are all hypothetical things id like to see our front offense attempt to do or actually do...

 

Bring in the Fire Squad!

  • Fire Dean Pees, no question, no argument, no hesitation. FIRE HIM. Take his crappy Defensive Playbook with him. His game plans are don't suit the mantra Playing like a Raven.

 

Out With the Old.

  • Monroe TRADE HIMI'd LOVE to see Monroe traded, and to keep KO at Left Tackle and put Urshal in at LG
     
  • Webb - TRADE HIM, anyone else agree that he just cant seem to even guard his own shadow? Cutting him will resort in dead money and we free up almost 26 million in dead money after this season lets not rebuild that.
     
  • K. Lewis - CUT HIM. He has no trade value its not even worth it.
     
  • Arrington - If possible Trade him. If we cant trade him keep him for depth hes cheap enough it wont hurt. I think Will Davis and Trey Walker are better options as our Outside and Slot CBs with a fully Healthy Jimmy on the other side.
     
  • Brooks - START HIM MOVING FORWARD. We unfortunately were stuck with growing pains with Elam, I personally think Brooks is by far a better FS and all around player with his speed and instinct for the ball will be a better option then Lewis. 
     
  • Elam - CUT HIM loose do not resign him
     
  • Canty - BYE!
     
  • PItta - RETIRE PLEASE!
     
  • Forsett - I hate to say it because he is a likable guy but Cut or Trade. We can Move forward with West and Allen
     
  • Flacco - I am strictly putting Flacco here on the chance we can not restructure, If anyone thinks its worth riding into 2016 season with a 28million cap hit for Flacco is foolish. The saying goes what have you done for us recently. Really unless with have sub 4.3 WRs hes only throwing it to wide open guys. Hes not putting the ball on players that can get it IE Aiken the last 2 weeks from Clausen. Remember Aiken was opposite of SmithSR and he still wasn't targeted. ( I personally am not a fan of moving forward with Flacco. We are trying to much to be a offensive heavy team, with a on again off again QB. We need to get back to Ravens football)
     
  • Upshaw - Can we decide simply not to resign him? We can get a decent comp pick and tbh unless his value is at a simple rotational player I do not feel he is worth it.

In with the NEW.

 

  • Clay - Resign him and make him the permanent KR/PR/WR 
     
  • Chris Matthews Resign him and make him Him and Waller have potential and Size and we can replace brown for Matthews.
     
  • Givens - If he comes at a decent price id say resign, giving up any pick for a 1 year rental isnt worth it. We do another one or two year deal that is incentive heavy and go into camp with him.
     
  • Aiken - Again if the price fits Id love to see him back in purple and black
     
  • QB - If we do move on from flacco do to contact hold outs. I think a more mobile QB is ideal. Someone that can extend plays with their legs and still be able to keep their eyes down the field. 
     
  • First Round Pick - Ramsey or Bosa. is Bosa a DE or a 3-4 OLB thats what it comes down to and what he determines he is and what are coaches could do with him.

 

Draft Day decisions. 

 

  • I personally Like the idea of retooling the defense in the draft quit going out and signing players that just are not fitting. We have top draft picks this year lets use this to our advantage and get back to Ravens football. First round pick should be Bosa or Ramsey. At this current moment.
     
  • Offensively we should only splurge on a Draftable player if....
     
  • Michael Thomas falls and becomes the best avalaiable or Corey Coleman is there in the 3rd.
     
  • My reasoning is Michael Thomas (Ohio State WR) is a possession receiver really that does not fit with joe it seems.
     
  • Coleman (Baylor WR) has the speed but isn't worth a first 2nd or 3rd in my eyes if Periman is a solid option.
     
  • But since that is up in the air a 3rd round pick we can potentially trade up to get wouldn't be a bad thing. I dont like the idea of giving up any of our top 4 picks. but if we can use picks for 2017 to get back into one of the top 4 rounds. Why not? We need to.
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