[News] Eisenberg: Probably The Biggest Factor Behind Ravens' Injuries

[BR News]

Conditioning, stadium turf and CBA rules have an effect, but mostly the Ravens just need better luck.

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[alexbayrobin]

I think there should be penalties for slamming people to the ground especially head first. It's like they are trying to hurt somebody.

[sami]

If Pagano needs a job, I know a team that could use a new DC.

[Mad Scientist Too]

I love Chuck Pagano. If he were to lose his job, I wonder if the Ravens could find a way to bring him back to Baltimore.

Edited December 19, 2015 by Mad Scientist Too

[Adamo]

I think the Ravens injuries are being caused by the types of conditioning they're doing. I'm worried that the conditioning coaches are instructing how to do exercises with poor technique or providing workouts that are strengthening muscles disproportionately from how they're used in everyday life. After performing this type of exercise someone can get injured in practice or during a game just because their joint doesn't produce force or react to stress correctly. I've had my suspicions about the strength training ever since Ray Rice and Bernard Pierce bot lost their shiftiness and explosion at the exact same time back in 2013.

I can't believe the players aren't working hard under Harbaugh. It has to be the type of exercises they're doing and not the intensity. They should look have a professional look at the individual exercises everyones doing and also look into Muscle Activation Therapy as a team for treatment.

[alexbayrobin]

Looks like somebody likes players being slammed to the ground headfirst. They could be killed. What's good about that.

[tgc3rd]

Since the league stopped letting players hit up top there has been more torn ACL/MCL's and it still hasn't reduced the number of concussions. I also think all the bulking up plays a major role in it. How to fix it? Who knows, but so far nothing they are doing is working but adding more rules to protect guys isn't the way. They already have too many rules as it is and it's ruining the game. It's really getting harder to watch the NFL these days in general.

[ellicottraven]

How truly awesome would it be if Pagano decides to actually quit the Colts HC job and comes back to Baltimore to lead our defense back to its glory days?

[Fastynart]

Here we go. The Ravens will "fix" all of their problems when they fire the conditioning coach at the end of the year, blaming all their failures on him. Some people will buy this crap. Not me. Their defense stinks and their defensive coordinator's scheme stinks. Injuries have nothing to do with their inability to rush the passer or to cover anyone. Injuries on offense have made a difference, but, if anyone remembers, we were losing before the injury bug hit.

[btfan2]

Typical of Harbaugh to not want to deal with another problem. This is NOT just bad luck. John - geeze

1. It's poor conditioning

2. For some over conditioning

3. Poor technique

4. Not hitting enough in practice (NO PADS SILLY)

5. Turf

6. Playing on Thursday

7. Change in Head Contact Rules

8. Not stretching properly or not stretching enough, not warming up enough(I don't think you can stretch to much - who knows)

And the propensity for some to just get injured a lot

Not one of the listed many reasons (but I'm sure not all) for injuries is unfixable so to say it's like trying to catch the wind is just not helpful

(JMO)

[Zeus]

Too bad Pees can't be put on IR

[bmorefan444]

Contact injuries can't be prevented. However, I've said before that all players should be put through multiple biomechanical analyses. We know that specific movement patterns can predispose athletes to specific injuries. Find any fault movement patterns, correct them, and have fewer non-contact injuries.

[HoldingCall]

I think the Ravens injuries are being caused by the types of conditioning they're doing. I'm worried that the conditioning coaches are instructing how to do exercises with poor technique or providing workouts that are strengthening muscles disproportionately from how they're used in everyday life. After performing this type of exercise someone can get injured in practice or during a game just because their joint doesn't produce force or react to stress correctly. I've had my suspicions about the strength training ever since Ray Rice and Bernard Pierce bot lost their shiftiness and explosion at the exact same time back in 2013. I can't believe the players aren't working hard under Harbaugh. It has to be the type of exercises they're doing and not the intensity. They should look have a professional look at the individual exercises everyones doing and also look into Muscle Activation Therapy as a team for treatment.

Very valid! It's a fact that all athletes cannot do the same exercises. Certain exercises will hurt some athletes.

[MadStorkSociety]

When you chalk it up to the "football fates", you get what you ask for. Sure it may be bad luck, but if you don't look down every avenue to find the root cause, you are just a victim. I don't think the all time greats think like that.

[Tower of Power]

Having played in underachieving "teams with high hopes", I think the main factor in this year injuries is that players were asked to do more that they could actually do. Specially after the narrow, and avoidable, loss to Denver [in which we lost Suggs for the season]. I wasn't joking before the St.Louis game, when I said put Forsett and Flacco on IR: it was clear they were carrying way too much load, that they were trying way too hard. That's dangerous. Then of course Hurst was in there instead of Monroe, and you can blame luck and all that. But if coaches put players in the wrong mindset, bad things ensue. And anyway - the conditioning has been suspect for a number of seasons now. [if the team were in Italy, we would be safely guessing that the trainers and doctors are good friends with the bosses of the team]

[LNB]

As an engineer, I don't believe in luck. There are always a combination of events that lead up to a failure. Not all failures are alike, but if you track enough of them, you will learn ways to prevent failures. Is there one "quick fix" - very unlikely. But writing it off to being "unlucky" is simply taking an easy way out and not wanting to address the issue because it is a difficult one to solve.

[LNB]

You just cannot say enough for Chuck P. The league could use a lot more people with his perspective. Come home Coach. We would love to have you back!!

[jackrogers]

"Today, 12:42 PM How truly awesome would it be if Pagano decides to actually quit the Colts HC job and comes back to Baltimore to lead our defense back to its glory days?"

 

 

In order for Pagano to come back and be successful we would have to bring back the likes of Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Bart Scott, Halodi Ngata, etc., etc. A defensive coordinator, is only as good as his players.

Edited December 19, 2015 by jackrogers

[edthehead]

I am a big chuck pagano fan, but what are the odds he would return?

[RavensBlood2Bone5220]

Has anybody noticed that since the new CBA was signed a few years ago with all the new training camp restrictions and changes (no more 2 a days etc.). There have been more ACL tears, leg and ankle fractures as well as other major injuries than ever before.

[Militant X 1]

How truly awesome would it be if Pagano decides to actually quit the Colts HC job and comes back to Baltimore to lead our defense back to its glory days?

 

Would he even want to come back to Baltimore in that role is what I'm wondering....

[Crusader]

Stupid rules

[Crusader]

Would he even want to come back to Baltimore in that role is what I'm wondering....

I'm more concerned about free agent wanting to play here now. Not thar Ravens have money.

[thecommish]

Then the question is why are we so much more unlucky then every other team in the NFL??? and why over a 2 or 3 year span has this bad luck stayed with us??? I hope that they are smarter then that and that they think that we are smarter then that!

[thecommish]

Bring Pags Back!

[OzzieBisciotti]

Excuses, excuses- our team blew before the season started - Oz took too many gambles this year...

[mikeld42]

I would suggest they spend 80% of the time allotted to the injury study on trying to improve their draft success.

Next draft we will be in a position to improve several needs to start a rebuild that will take more than one year.

Query are Harbs and Ozzie the right guys to lead the rebuild that should have started after SB47.

Lets reall try to be objective,our last drafts and retread pickups havent worked very well.