[News] Late For Work 12/18: Kelechi Osemele May Further Price Himself Out Of Ravens' Range

[ReginaldColeman1]

Pro Football Focus: "Smith has a negative cumulative coverage grade this season, having allowed 62 percent of passes to be caught, six touchdowns surrendered, and a QB rating when targeted of 102. On the other side, Webb also has a negative coverage grade and is giving up 66 percent of targets to be caught, seven touchdowns surrendered, and a QB rating of 113.7. The Ravens need to re-tool the secondary."

Last week Wright was rated much higher than the contract committments for Webb and Smith who ranked in the 50's. If a top tier free agent in the top ten can command big bucks and you're paying your corners like u r than u need to address that situation and stop the bleeding. The longer u continue to pay for something and get little return on investment the worse your long term returns are going to be. It's not something u need Urschel to explain to the finance arm of the team.

As much as KO came in with the fan crazed description of beast he's ordinary at best. He excels at times and gets his job done most of the time but he's not a top tier guard or tackle. He's replaceable. Why make the same mistake u made with Monroe albeit KO has a better reputation for showing up. Rip the band-aid now.

Let these three go and u clear up several million in free agency money. So u don't get three players in return. But what do u get if u keep them? The money is accounted for regardless so get something for it. Reminds me of accountancy theory where u own a piece of bankrupt corporation. Or at least one facing chapter 11. You hold onto it because u fell in love with the dream. Accountants will tell u to dump it and take the money and find something better. NO u won't have the seven million right away. But u might get someone who shows up and fits in. What you're doing now is not working. And stop the injury tears. For goodness sake it's a violent game. Stop reporting the excuses. You either win or lose on the field.

[rmcjacket23]

Nothing worse than seeing players that you draft and fail to develop go to other teams and perform. Reid is an example. Oher is looking like another. What is up with that? Oher had a role, but seemed to digress over time. Reid never contributed at all. Really disconcerting.

I mean its dependent on situation.

 

From what I'm reading regarding Reid, the three year extension largely means nothing. He's basically been a backup who fills in for injured players, and by all accounts, he hasn't been that good either. He's versatile, but not really great at any position. The guaranteed money is low, so he's basically only guaranteed a roster spot for one season. He's getting paid as a swing tackle.

 

Oher is a bit complicated. He's performed well in Carolina, but he was a disaster in Tennessee... so what does that mean? Honestly, don't know. 

 

Everybody looks at these extensions as signs of great play. Oher got a 4 year contract at $20M just last offseason with Tennessee, and he gets cut after one season. Same thing could easily happen to Jah Reid for all we know.

 

I don't think either of these guys are upgrades on anything we have.

[ryananth]

It is painful to watch talented young players get groomed here then leave for bigger pay days. I get that it is a business, and that these players have their own interests, but the sports world as a whole has just become so obsessed over money that players would rather uproot their families and leave the team that drafted them for a few extra bucks, which I get can be a lot when team such as the Dolphins are willing to make a DT the highest paid player ever, but I just wish that players would be more home-team oriented. I'm not even singling out anyone on this team, just the NFL and sports in general. How awesome would it be if players thought, you know what if my Ravens for example are willing to give me 5 years and 25 million, I'll stay here to win championships and cement a legacy, instead of taking 5 years and $30 on a pedestrian team that can't even go .500. It's all frustration and obviously everyone can't get paid, but if we kept just one extra player every year instead of losing them to free agency. We would be stacked every season.

 

True they get a big payday but rarely have we ever missed them. I can't think of a player out there we lost to free agency that we wished we'd kept at the price they got for leaving. Getting the supplemental picks for them is gravy. Hopefully we soon be able to trade those supplemental picks and package to get two great first rounders next season that will help immediately.

[Nexttime]

What if the Ravens franchise Osemele as a guard, but play him as a LT next year. That buys us a year and see if he can stay healthy.

[WNC-Raven]

With so many needs next year even after our starters get healthy I wouldn't hold my breath that Monroe won't be our LT next year. They will have list of possitions of need and with so many I don't know how far down the list a tackle will be.

With that said it seems like the plug and play LT's always go in the top 5 or six spots so this may be our only chance to draft a starting tackle and not have the cap hit for 3-5 years

[NNITRED]

The Ravens sound really petty bring up Jah Reids extension. They sound like some of the childish Ravens fans. You would think they would have more important things to worry about.

[NNITRED]

They knew KO was gone when he wouldn't extend and they turned their efforts to extending Yanda. You can't fault a player for betting on himself and winning.

[NNITRED]

What if the Ravens franchise Osemele as a guard, but play him as a LT next year. That buys us a year and see if he can stay healthy.

KO isn't stupid and no agent would allow that to happen.  

[Edgar]

Nothing worse than seeing players that you draft and fail to develop go to other teams and perform. Reid is an example. Oher is looking like another. What is up with that? Oher had a role, but seemed to digress over time. Reid never contributed at all. Really disconcerting.

I agree. Additionally,

I think if you draft guys high, you probably need to get them on the field. Arthur Brown is a guy who I could see flourishing when he leaves here. Paul Kruger barely made it on the field until his third year.

The players we have paid and been able to keep have largely failed in one fashion or another.

[crazyboutravens]

We have got to stop losing guys like we do every year.. We need to manage the cap better so we can

keep guys we drafted and are producing. Would Pernell look good on our defensive line. I think so..

[crazyboutravens]

Maybe Ozzie is too hung up on compensatory picks. We would be better off keeping the guys that are

getting away from us now....

[Virginia 55]

I miss TYROD. another bonehead move by this front office.

[Rat]

Virginia55..... He was leaving no matter what we did....he wanted to start....not a FO issue

[The Greek]

fire pees, the 2 secondary coaches and juan castillo after the season and that will be a great start to improving this team. need to find a way to keep osemele. will be tough to get rid of monroe but maybe he could move to guard or right tackle and if he stays healthy than trade him before the deadline to free up money if need be. better decisions in the draft and free agency is a must by the front office and most importantly it would be nice if the injury gods cut this team a break for a few years.

[OzzieBisciotti]

So if Jah Reed can get a $10M contract from the Chiefs, and we gave up on him, what does that say about our FO and Coaching staff? I also miss Tyrod, Corey, Torrey, Pernell, Haloti, and even Jacoby- Oz should not have tied up money to injured/ aging veterans like Webb and Steve Smith - now Suggs is over the hill and Doom is getting up there- we are an old team and since we've had five bad drafts in the last five years, we have even more holes... We dont make the playoffs until 2017 or 2018- we really do have to rebuild and fill up a lot of holes, Oz. We also overpaid for Monroe too- we will most likely say goodbye to Tucker too if we're smart.

[slowboater]

..... need to find a way to keep osemele. will be tough to get rid of monroe ....... and most importantly it would be nice if the injury gods cut this team a break for a few years.

Only parts I agreed with.

[OzzieBisciotti]

Also, with comp picks, who cares if we have the most? If we can't turn them into productive players, who cares? We can't even take real picks and make them productive either- look at our draft this year too and the four years prior... Aiken is our best receiver for Gods sake..

[ravenstime]

I have had my doubts about our drafting process, too, what's important or not. What's important to me is getting players that produce and are successful. Look at the game last night and around the league. Lots of teams over the last 2 years have drafted WR's that have been very successful. Last year, and I forget exactly who I'm thinking about, but last year some team picked wayyyy after us and got a receiver that is playing 'Lights Out'. We need to build a better team through the draft, because we don't have the means to pay FA's. Once we can pay Free Agents and draft successfully, then we'll be back on the map. Not any time soon, unless we're lucky.

[The Greek]

if they have already figured out a way to keep osemele than they will draft an olb/pass rusher or secondary help. flacco is already going to restructure but maybe he says restructure me enough to get osemele back here. we shall see how it all unfolds

[bozo]

the whole off line sucked this year, no extra money for them.

[bozo]

we had a my high school go undefeated this year, good challenge for this years raven team.

[DrinkmoreBeer]

When you're a bad team and you can't afford to keep one player who actually plays very well, that speaks volumes about money management.

[Purplepowers88]

I'm sorry but that is such a ludicrous comment. The Ravens are a bad team in large part due to the injuries to their high-prices players: Flacco, Steve Smith, Justin Forsett, Terrell Suggs etc etc. That's where the money has been spent. It's not like they have money committed to bad players.

[harfordravenfan]

I was wondering why try KO at left tackle when we already can't afford him.  I now think the reason is to get a higher 2017 comp pick when he inevitably leaves, since a good LT would elicit the highest possible comp pick.

 

not sure why you got negged (I thought the same thing), I evened you out  lol

[harfordravenfan]

I'm giving up on both of them for next year. Tunsil or Stanley hopefully is in our crosshairs.

 

Not flashy but also what I'm hoping for. If he don't immediately win the job he can play LG for a year.

[Halshayeji]

So if Jah Reed can get a $10M contract from the Chiefs, and we gave up on him, what does that say about our FO and Coaching staff? I also miss Tyrod, Corey, Torrey, Pernell, Haloti, and even Jacoby- Oz should not have tied up money to injured/ aging veterans like Webb and Steve Smith - now Suggs is over the hill and Doom is getting up there- we are an old team and since we've had five bad drafts in the last five years, we have even more holes... We dont make the playoffs until 2017 or 2018- we really do have to rebuild and fill up a lot of holes, Oz. We also overpaid for Monroe too- we will most likely say goodbye to Tucker too if we're smart.

The Chiefs will learn the hard way that Jah Reid is never healthy. When he is, he's gettin in some sort of off field trouble. I for one am glad he's someone else's problem.

I sure as hell miss Ngata McPhee and Torry.

This year we better keep KO and monroe is not going anywhere. He's still the best LT on this squad.

This team does indeed make the playoffs next year if we get 2 new coordinators and a few players via FA and Draft. That's if we keep all our guys.

If the injury gods are on our side we should challenge for a SB.

[harfordravenfan]

he got egged because it is simply not true.  The comp pick that he would get as a guard, would more than likely would be the same pick he would earn as a tackle.  

 

Not sure how it works. Are comp picks give primarily by the contract signed or is it based off the contract signed compared to the position they play? Proving he could also play tackle could increase his value if signed as a guard (I would be surprised if he got a LT deal and if so it wouldn't be for top 5 LT money

[rmcjacket23]

What if the Ravens franchise Osemele as a guard, but play him as a LT next year. That buys us a year and see if he can stay healthy.

Franchise tag for guards is the same for left tackles. Cost over 10 million. Not an option.

[rmcjacket23]

So if Jah Reed can get a $10M contract from the Chiefs, and we gave up on him, what does that say about our FO and Coaching staff? I also miss Tyrod, Corey, Torrey, Pernell, Haloti, and even Jacoby- Oz should not have tied up money to injured/ aging veterans like Webb and Steve Smith - now Suggs is over the hill and Doom is getting up there- we are an old team and since we've had five bad drafts in the last five years, we have even more holes... We dont make the playoffs until 2017 or 2018- we really do have to rebuild and fill up a lot of holes, Oz. We also overpaid for Monroe too- we will most likely say goodbye to Tucker too if we're smart.

Says nothing really. He got $3M guaranteed which is small potatoes and he hasn't been very good.

Oher got a $20M deal last off season from Titans and he was cut after one year.

[jravens13]

Pro Football Focus: "Smith has a negative cumulative coverage grade this season, having allowed 62 percent of passes to be caught, six touchdowns surrendered, and a QB rating when targeted of 102. On the other side, Webb also has a negative coverage grade and is giving up 66 percent of targets to be caught, seven touchdowns surrendered, and a QB rating of 113.7. The Ravens need to re-tool the secondary." Last week Wright was rated much higher than the contract committments for Webb and Smith who ranked in the 50's. If a top tier free agent in the top ten can command big bucks and you're paying your corners like u r than u need to address that situation and stop the bleeding. The longer u continue to pay for something and get little return on investment the worse your long term returns are going to be. It's not something u need Urschel to explain to the finance arm of the team. As much as KO came in with the fan crazed description of beast he's ordinary at best. He excels at times and gets his job done most of the time but he's not a top tier guard or tackle. He's replaceable. Why make the same mistake u made with Monroe albeit KO has a better reputation for showing up. Rip the band-aid now. Let these three go and u clear up several million in free agency money. So u don't get three players in return. But what do u get if u keep them? The money is accounted for regardless so get something for it. Reminds me of accountancy theory where u own a piece of bankrupt corporation. Or at least one facing chapter 11. You hold onto it because u fell in love with the dream. Accountants will tell u to dump it and take the money and find something better. NO u won't have the seven million right away. But u might get someone who shows up and fits in. What you're doing now is not working. And stop the injury tears. For goodness sake it's a violent game. Stop reporting the excuses. You either win or lose on the field.

I 100% agree that they keep digging themselves a bigger hole. I think Jimmy can be good if coaching allows him to be a physical press corner but he must have a pass rush so he can have Safety help on deep balls. Webb is not starting caliber anymore, but does show promise at deep safety. Regardless, neither is worth what they are currently being paid, and we should be looking to reload and add lockdown corners to this team.