An alternative route for the future

[flynismo]

The only portion of this hypothetical scenario that I agree with is us "Flacco lovers" dismissing this idea

[rmcjacket23]

Where is the account of carryover caps from this year as well our draft picks? If we were to pick in 5-10, we'd fill 10-13mill just for rookies(w/o) udfa.

And Daryl Smith will stay.

Our cap will be over the limit imo.

I think honestly we'd be at a point @june where we are forced to cut a major star player.

Joe will not get cut, but honestly its really on his hands to make a serious pay cut. I think we'll have to talk with suggs and jimmy in that term also.

Russell Street Report does a pretty good breakdown of this, and based on their projections, we will be right at the cap heading into the offseason. The $10-13M allotment for draft picks is too high... a decent number of the draft picks won't count against he salary cap under the rule of 51 (only the top 51 cap amounts on the roster count against the teams overall salary cap). They project in a worst case scenario we would probably be $1-2M over heading into FA, and we would need to create some space for draft picks, but its not nearly as high as that. I think the last report I read said something in the neighborhood of $5-6M for the year.

 

So, yes, some cuts will be needed to get some cap space, but most of the one's I listed would accomplish this. I don't see Daryl Smith being back, because I think they want to get younger at that position and they're already reducing his snap counts as it is.

 

As I said earlier, the Flacco extension and the timing of it means everything in my opinion. If it gets done in February, then the Ravens will have a much better picture of their spending ability. If it waits until June, they will have to cut some guys and won't be able to spend barely at all in FA until the extension is reached.

 

I don't think we will be in a position to cut a big time player, mostly because there really aren't any "star" players we can cut that will create a significant amount of space.

 

Jimmy, Yanda and Suggs contracts basically prohibit them from being traded/released, so the only "name" players who would be up for release would be Monroe, Webb or Dumervil, and none of these guys create more than $3.5M individually in cap space, so its not like we see a huge cap savings like we did with trading Ngata.

 

In my opinion, the creating of cap space will likely come from a large QUANTITY of cuts, not necessarily QUALITY of cuts. There's no big contract we can ditch that will suddenly free up a bunch of space. There's just a decent number of mid-sized contracts we could get rid of at position where I think we can replace, and that's the direction I think we are heading. 

 

I think you'll see a quantity "purge" and the FO investing heavily in the quantity and quality of draft picks this season to fill the gaps.

[rmcjacket23]

so basically we ate not looking good, even if Joe does extend

Generally, yes. We aren't going to be spending top tier money on anybody in FA. We will be bargain shopping like we normally do. 

 

I think we are going to go "all in" on the 2015 draft class for the most part. I think the FO still will be committed to Perriman and will invest and expected immediate contributions from at least several draft picks this offseason.

[757RavensFan]

Russell Street Report does a pretty good breakdown of this, and based on their projections, we will be right at the cap heading into the offseason. The $10-13M allotment for draft picks is too high... a decent number of the draft picks won't count against he salary cap under the rule of 51 (only the top 51 cap amounts on the roster count against the teams overall salary cap). They project in a worst case scenario we would probably be $1-2M over heading into FA, and we would need to create some space for draft picks, but its not nearly as high as that. I think the last report I read said something in the neighborhood of $5-6M for the year.

 

So, yes, some cuts will be needed to get some cap space, but most of the one's I listed would accomplish this. I don't see Daryl Smith being back, because I think they want to get younger at that position and they're already reducing his snap counts as it is.

 

As I said earlier, the Flacco extension and the timing of it means everything in my opinion. If it gets done in February, then the Ravens will have a much better picture of their spending ability. If it waits until June, they will have to cut some guys and won't be able to spend barely at all in FA until the extension is reached.

 

I don't think we will be in a position to cut a big time player, mostly because there really aren't any "star" players we can cut that will create a significant amount of space.

 

Jimmy, Yanda and Suggs contracts basically prohibit them from being traded/released, so the only "name" players who would be up for release would be Monroe, Webb or Dumervil, and none of these guys create more than $3.5M individually in cap space, so its not like we see a huge cap savings like we did with trading Ngata.

 

In my opinion, the creating of cap space will likely come from a large QUANTITY of cuts, not necessarily QUALITY of cuts. There's no big contract we can ditch that will suddenly free up a bunch of space. There's just a decent number of mid-sized contracts we could get rid of at position where I think we can replace, and that's the direction I think we are heading. 

 

I think you'll see a quantity "purge" and the FO investing heavily in the quantity and quality of draft picks this season to fill the gaps.

 

Is it really too high considering we'll have a 1st round draft pick between 4-7? Which will cost us way more than what we're used to paying for our 1st rounders who are usually drafted in the mid 20s.   

[rmcjacket23]

Is it really too high considering we'll have a 1st round draft pick between 4-7? Which will cost us way more than what we're used to paying for our 1st rounders who are usually drafted in the mid 20s.   

Not 100% sure, but here are some comparisons I pulled based on around where we would be drafting:

 

1st round : Amari Cooper 2015 - first year salary cap hit of $4.1M.

2nd round: TJ Yeldon 2015 - first year salary cap hit of $1.0M

3rd round: Tyler Lockett 2015 - first year salary cap hit of $0.6M

 

These guys were picked in the top 5 selections in each of those rounds, which is roughly where we would be picking. Once you get past the 2nd round, everybody has a cap hit under $1.0M, and so its possible most of them wouldn't qualify under the Rule of 51, depending on the salaries of other players. These numbers will probably increase a bit as the cap goes up, but not by a huge amount. Call it maybe $4.5M for a first round pick.

 

By comparison, Perriman costs $1.5M against the cap this year, and Maxx Williams cost $700K. So the only real big jump is roughly $2-3M difference in the first round picks. There's only a $300K difference between picking in top 5 of second round and in the middle-bottom of the draft, so not really overly significant. The difference between Lockett and Carl Davis was basically like $100K, so once you get to the third round and later, all the players basically cost the same.

[757RavensFan]

Not 100% sure, but here are some comparisons I pulled based on around where we would be drafting:

 

1st round : Amari Cooper 2015 - first year salary cap hit of $4.1M.

2nd round: TJ Yeldon 2015 - first year salary cap hit of $1.0M

3rd round: Tyler Lockett 2015 - first year salary cap hit of $0.6M

 

These guys were picked in the top 5 selections in each of those rounds, which is roughly where we would be picking. Once you get past the 2nd round, everybody has a cap hit under $1.0M, and so its possible most of them wouldn't qualify under the Rule of 51, depending on the salaries of other players. These numbers will probably increase a bit as the cap goes up, but not by a huge amount. Call it maybe $4.5M for a first round pick.

 

By comparison, Perriman costs $1.5M against the cap this year, and Maxx Williams cost $700K. So the only real big jump is roughly $2-3M difference in the first round picks. There's only a $300K difference between picking in top 5 of second round and in the middle-bottom of the draft, so not really overly significant. The difference between Lockett and Carl Davis was basically like $100K, so once you get to the third round and later, all the players basically cost the same.

 

Thanks...good info. 

[January J]

Bonuses are the reason why:

 

1. He received a $29M signing bonus in 2013... prorated over remaining life of the contract. That's $5.8M per year against the cap from 2013-2017

 

2. 2014 Team Option Bonus of $15M... prorated over remaining life of the contract. That's $3M per year against the cap from 2014-2018.

 

3. 2015 Team Option Bonus of $7M... prorated over remaining life of the contract. That's $1.75M per year against the cap from 2015-2018.

 

So, for 2016 through 2018, you still owe $11.6M against the cap for his signing bonus, $9M against the cap for his 2014 bonus, and $5.25M against the cap for his 2015 bonus, for a total of $25.85M against the cap still owed from 2016-2018 for past bonuses paid.

 

When you trade or cut a player, that total becomes due immediately. The only way to spread that amount out over two years is to do a Post-June 1 cut, but the total amount doesn't disappear... it just gets spread out.

 

Trading/cutting him would mean that the $18M in salary he's owed for 2016 would be off our books, but we'd pick up the roughly $26M immediately.

 

The $25.85M is currently the "dead money" left on Joe's deal.

 

That's why Ngata has a $7.5M cap hit this season... its the dead money left over from unallocated bonuses previously paid to him. Since we traded him, the Lions absorbed the $8.5M salary and cap hit he had for this season only.

ahh I see. Good to know.

[Mad Puppy]

Maybe if we still had Tyrod Taylor, personally I think Mallet is a non factor and is on his last NFL team.

awful post. Taylor is no answer. He doesn't fit the Ravens offensive philosophy in any possible way. We totally changed the offense when he stepped on the field. We have enough trouble with the offense we have with the personnel we have, why throw in another variable that is inaccurate and interception prone?

At least Mallette fits what we already do.

Scrambling QB's get hurt once they get significant playing time, they do not work in the NFL.