Gillmore done for the year?

[rudywasoffsides]

Because if you've been paying attention to the NFL all for the past decade, you'd know that rookie tight ends rarely contribute much their rookie year. They have a steeper developing curve than most positions, for whatever reason.

 

Also, who crucified Perriman? People were frustrated but not many, if any, crucified him.....

 

Dude a ton of people on this board are already calling him a bust despite never even stepping on the field. I would say people crucified him. On Maxx I get the steep learning curve, but especially with all the injuries we have had I don't understand why we don't force feed the kid the ball instead of Aiken. Somebody has to catch a few passes and I guess I am disappointed it hasn't been someone like Maxx that I had such high hopes for entering the season. Hopefully he shows a little more next year.

[gtalk12]

TE's rarely contribute that much their first year...

[Ravens4Real]

Actually Maxx coasted on raw talent at college. He got to the NFL and was culture shocked at the speed,strength and dense muscularity of NFL players. He acknowledges he needed to get his nutrition and workouts in check at the NFL level. And maxx is a little out of shape compared to most elite TEs. He could use a little more muscle and to lose a little excess fat. And he is leaving some speed and power and burst on the table. But with that said he is a silky smooth route runner with a little sneaky speed to him. Especially for a player a little out of shape. He is planning a rigorous offseason training and nutrition program to reshape his body. If he ran a 4.7 out of shape, his play speed will be around 4.55-4.60 once he drops the speed draining excess fat and adds some fast twitch explosive muscle!! With his smooth routes and big hands and ball skills he should be a very explosive weapon next year. A TE that will command attention of a receiver with smooth routes and speed to stretch defenses. He could very well be a top5 TE or better next season!! He is also a competitive blocker and will be a much better blocker once adding some muscle this offseason. If ravens draft Tunsil and keep Osemele the 2TE sets with 2 TEs that catch well and block well is going to be a nightmare for offenses run or throw!!

Can you pass me some of that stuff you're smoking over there? A guy doesn't go from a handful of catches to being one of the top TE's in one season. Especially since there seems to be two TE's better than him on his current team.

And I don't know why you said it but I'm pretty sure he isn't culture shocked at other NFL players dense muscularity. I laughed out loud reading that.

Edited December 17, 2015 by Ravens4Real

[PerpetuallyBored74]

Gillmore compares to Heath Miller

Nobody compares to Gronk.

[Winchester]

Can you pass me some of that stuff you're smoking over there? A guy doesn't go from a handful of catches to being one of the top TE's in one season. Especially since there seems to be two TE's better than him on his current team.

And I don't know why you said it but I'm pretty sure he isn't culture shocked at other NFL players dense muscularity. I laughed out loud reading that.

You have no clue what you are talking about. Do a little digging I'm sure you will find something about he acknowledged he was blown away by NFL players and said himself he needs to make much better nutrition choices. Also BTW TEs traditionally make their biggest improvement in year2. And if you do not think reshaping his body will make a vast difference consider this. How good would Eifert or Gronk be if either TE carried a spare tire. How good would Gonzalez have been if you stripped 10-15 lbs of muscle from him and replaced it with 15-20 lbs of flab?? Get off the couch put down the potato chips and pie and get yourself into a gym and see how much faster you feel. And it should give you an idea of the leaps he should make next year.

[usmccharles]

You have no clue what you are talking about. Do a little digging I'm sure you will find something about he acknowledged he was blown away by NFL players and said himself he needs to make much better nutrition choices. Also BTW TEs traditionally make their biggest improvement in year2. And if you do not think reshaping his body will make a vast difference consider this. How good would Eifert or Gronk be if either TE carried a spare tire. How good would Gonzalez have been if you stripped 10-15 lbs of muscle from him and replaced it with 15-20 lbs of flab?? Get off the couch put down the potato chips and pie and get yourself into a gym and see how much faster you feel. And it should give you an idea of the leaps he should make next year.

Your defending Maxx? am i drunk? are you? lol.  I like the optimism

[Winchester]

Your defending Maxx? am i drunk? are you? lol.  I like the optimism

I liked his raw skillset, his potential was annoying because how good he will be if he were in peak shape. He is sneaky deceptive fast for somebody who is a little out of shape and needed to practice better eating habits by his own admission. And if we think about it how much of a seam threat would Eifert be if he were a little out of shape?? Or how good would Gonzalez if been?? If you stripped 10-16 lbs of muscle and replaced it with speed draining excess flab. After his offseason training and nutrition he will be similar to Colt Lyera athletically. But of course a far more savvy and functional football player.His routes are fluid. Now add more burst and twitch that will come the fat he loses and muscle he puts on.

[Ravens4Real]

I liked his raw skillset, his potential was annoying because how good he will be if he were in peak shape. He is sneaky deceptive fast for somebody who is a little out of shape and needed to practice better eating habits by his own admission. And if we think about it how much of a seam threat would Eifert be if he were a little out of shape?? Or how good would Gonzalez if been?? If you stripped 10-16 lbs of muscle and replaced it with speed draining excess flab. After his offseason training and nutrition he will be similar to Colt Lyera athletically. But of course a far more savvy and functional football player.His routes are fluid. Now add more burst and twitch that will come the fat he loses and muscle he puts on.

If Gilmore is the next Gronk and Maxx is going to be a top 5 TE, what will Boyle be? He was better than Max all year.

Sorry but you are wrong. You are acting like he has never had a stable workout program and eating program in his life. College programs mirror the same things that NFL teams do now a days. He has been lifting weights and doing other football activities at top of the line facilities. It's not like he doesn't know what healthy eating and a strength program is.

And I can sit here and say that any player would be a stud if they lost all of their excess weight and replace it will fast twitching muscle, or however you put it. Too bad that it's nearly impossible for people to do that.

Everyone here seen the picture of him at the lake on a boat drinking with friends a couple of weeks before training camp. People will love how they want to. It's also not a certainty that this kid will live in the weight room this offseason. He obviously hasn't since he doesn't have a bunch of twitch muscle.

[usmccharles]

If Gilmore is the next Gronk and Maxx is going to be a top 5 TE, what will Boyle be? He was better than Max all year.

Sorry but you are wrong. You are acting like he has never had a stable workout program and eating program in his life. College programs mirror the same things that NFL teams do now a days. He has been lifting weights and doing other football activities at top of the line facilities. It's not like he doesn't know what healthy eating and a strength program is.

And I can sit here and say that any player would be a stud if they lost all of their excess weight and replace it will fast twitching muscle, or however you put it. Too bad that it's nearly impossible for people to do that.

Everyone here seen the picture of him at the lake on a boat drinking with friends a couple of weeks before training camp. People will love how they want to. It's also not a certainty that this kid will live in the weight room this offseason. He obviously hasn't since he doesn't have a bunch of twitch muscle.

Dude, if thats how you want to judge players, have you ever looked at megatron with his shirt off? He had that one commercial where he is standing there with his shirt off, the dude is by no means ripped or looks like a work out warrior...That premise his a terrible way to argue. 

[Ravens4Real]

Dude, if thats how you want to judge players, have you ever looked at megatron with his shirt off? He had that one commercial where he is standing there with his shirt off, the dude is by no means ripped or looks like a work out warrior...That premise his a terrible way to argue.

You obviously weren't following our argument. Someone else is stating that he needs to be chiseled to be at his best. What you said is basically what I'm saying. At the end of the day, it's on his God given talent and if his isn't up to par with the guys he's going against and competing against, then I don't think losing 15 pounds of fat will amount to that much of a difference.

[Deflated Football]

Gillmore compares to Heath Miller

Nobody compares to Gronk.

Crockett reminds me of Jermichael Finley and I actually see more of Heath Miller in Mad Maxx. That's not a bad combination at all.

[RaineV1]

Gillmore compares to Heath Miller

Nobody compares to Gronk.

Miller is a pretty good comparison for Gillmore. Definitely a better one than Gronk.

[K-Dog]

Dude, if thats how you want to judge players, have you ever looked at megatron with his shirt off? He had that one commercial where he is standing there with his shirt off, the dude is by no means ripped or looks like a work out warrior...That premise his a terrible way to argue.

A Matt Birk before and after retirement pic would be helpful.

[Winchester]

You obviously weren't following our argument. Someone else is stating that he needs to be chiseled to be at his best. What you said is basically what I'm saying. At the end of the day, it's on his God given talent and if his isn't up to par with the guys he's going against and competing against, then I don't think losing 15 pounds of fat will amount to that much of a difference.

Time yourself in a 40. Lose 15-20 lbs and live in a gym then time yourself again!! Some athletes athletes like Antonio Gates are rediculous athletes and don't need be in top shape to play at their peak. Others like Gronk Gonzalez and maxx while great athletes do need to be in top shape to squeeze all the speed out of their body. And by his own acknowledgement he does say he needs to make better food choices and steady workouts. I was chunky and when I turned 20 decided I wanted to look like the terminator. I will show pics of me in highschool and now at 37. Anybody can build a lean body. Tony Gonzalez still eats right and trains because he said if he stopped he would put on 20 lbs in a matter of a month or so!! When I got with trainers and nutritionist and leaned out I got faster than the starting running back at my college. Never timed myself. But he ran in 4.7 range. His balance was awesome however. If Maxx is planning to reshape his bod then why debate it?? It will be interesting to see how much faster he looks.

[PurpleCity5]

I hope he can stay healthy next season. He did not finish the game against the Bengals and missed 2 games if I can recall, he also missed the rest of the Dolphins game. I think he could have had a nice stat line for this year if he stayed healthy. 

[Winchester]

If Max could run 4.75 and silky smooth while out of shape, he should run 4.55-4.60 once he is similar shape to heath Miller or eifert. He should be phenomenal next year!! He should be a more explosive version of Witten.

[callahan09]

So is there actually any news on whether he's done for the year or not?  I can't seem to find anything definitive.

[Ravens4Real]

Time yourself in a 40. Lose 15-20 lbs and live in a gym then time yourself again!! Some athletes athletes like Antonio Gates are rediculous athletes and don't need be in top shape to play at their peak. Others like Gronk Gonzalez and maxx while great athletes do need to be in top shape to squeeze all the speed out of their body. And by his own acknowledgement he does say he needs to make better food choices and steady workouts. I was chunky and when I turned 20 decided I wanted to look like the terminator. I will show pics of me in highschool and now at 37. Anybody can build a lean body. Tony Gonzalez still eats right and trains because he said if he stopped he would put on 20 lbs in a matter of a month or so!! When I got with trainers and nutritionist and leaned out I got faster than the starting running back at my college. Never timed myself. But he ran in 4.7 range. His balance was awesome however. If Maxx is planning to reshape his bod then why debate it?? It will be interesting to see how much faster he looks.

How could you possibly know if Maxx needs to be in top physical condition to play his best and then say others don't need to be? You don't know that to be true at all. You can't just say one guy doesn't need to be at top shape and then others do not just to prove your point. It's just wrong.

And like I have stated in previous other threads, it's one thing if he reshapes his body and comes back to be a top 5 TE like you have stated. And like I have said, the kid has gone 20+ years coasting by on his athleticism and probably never cared about being truly in shape. I have my doubts on if he turns himself into this Greek God and NFL all pro in one year.

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

good for him.....rest up and be ready for 2016.....

 

I view him as the next Gronk....

The only one who can stop him from being that good is himself. But he has shown so me improvement for sure.

[Winchester]

How could you possibly know if Maxx needs to be in top physical condition to play his best and then say others don't need to be? You don't know that to be true at all. You can't just say one guy doesn't need to be at top shape and then others do not just to prove your point. It's just wrong.

And like I have stated in previous other threads, it's one thing if he reshapes his body and comes back to be a top 5 TE like you have stated. And like I have said, the kid has gone 20+ years coasting by on his athleticism and probably never cared about being truly in shape. I have my doubts on if he turns himself into this Greek God and NFL all pro in one year.

It is very very rare for somebody to be out of shape and play at their peak or close to their peak. VERY RARE!! Who knows perhaps Gates could of been a little more explosive if he were in peak shape. But he is that rare freak TE that did not need to be. Witten was a little out of shape but was not the same level athlete as Gates or Gonzalez. If Witten had been in peak shape he may of been there with Gates and Gonzalez. Witten just had a freakish feel for finding spots in zones and getting a step of late separation. Very productive but was not the seam threat like Gates\Gonzalez. If Witten was as fanatical as Gronk he probably would of been a step faster. Maxx for sure will be a couple steps more explosive with a little more muscle and less fat. And you would have to think he will do so. He is a very proud player!! He embraced being the best player on the field, the best TE in the draft. He was borderline cocky in college and expects to be the best receiving TE on the ravens roster. He is not comfortable with dbacks bringing him down. He ran through them in college. When he got to camp he acknowledged in a blink he needs to work harder at the NFL level and get stronger and leaner and faster. And begin with better nutrition selections. He acknowledged his diet was sloppy and needs to change. Like I said he is a very proud player!! He is not comfortable being taken down by cornerbacks so decisively. He may not look like a Greek God in one year. But he could be in similar shape to Eifert,Lyera or Miller by next training camp thus far stronger and more explosive. which would bring his play speed to 4.55-4.65 range. Edited December 19, 2015 by Winchester

[January J]

Yeah I think this year was a wake up call for maxx. He probably expected the transition to go a lot smoother and finally realized his diet won't cuttin it. I think we see him report to camp next year in much better shape. If not then he may end up being just another guy.

[HoldingCall]

Gillmore and Marlon could go on IR after this game to create space to bring up practice squad players for the final two games.

[RaineV1]

Yeah I think this year was a wake up call for maxx. He probably expected the transition to go a lot smoother and finally realized his diet won't cuttin it. I think we see him report to camp next year in much better shape. If not then he may end up being just another guy.

Yeah, the pressure is on with Maxx since Boyle has shown that he can be a solid backup to Gillmore. Hopefully that pressure just makes him better.

[rmw10]

Well he survived this week for the IR move. I imagine the dominos start to fall next week, though. I'd expect Gillmore and others to be shuffled on/off the active roster.

[rmw10]

Officially official...

 

Baltimore Ravens ‏@Ravens  46m

46 minutes ago

TE Crockett Gillmore has been placed on season-ending IR and we have signed OLB Chris Carter.

[The Raven]

Officially official...

 

Baltimore Ravens ‏@Ravens  46m

46 minutes ago

TE Crockett Gillmore has been placed on season-ending IR and we have signed OLB Chris Carter.

 

I really liked Chris Carter when he came out of Fresno State. I was disappointed he ended up with Pittsburgh. He never did much of anything but maybe he finds something here.

[Gordo52]

Another one

[Inqui]

I really liked Chris Carter when he came out of Fresno State. I was disappointed he ended up with Pittsburgh. He never did much of anything but maybe he finds something here.

Our answer to James Harrison hopefully.

[darklight1216]

Another Ravens record bites the dust (19 on IR).

 

How can they be this injured two years in a row?

[The Raven]

Our answer to James Harrison hopefully.

 

We can hope. Carter, from what I remember, is explosive and powerful, but he lacks size. At 6'1 245, he's built like a MLB moreso than an OLB/DE. He's not the biggest guy and his small frame probably limited his production.