[News] John Harbaugh Has 'Learned A Lot' This Season

[Hardhitters]

Ok here I go, neg me one million and 3 times I don't really care. I want Brian Billick back, he'll bring the best possible DC which he's known for and with Flacco my goodness we would be playing lights out. You can still neg me but just before doing so picture every Billick roster with Flacco, we was 13-3 with a healthy Steve McNair. I know everyone loves Harbaugh speeches, denials of dog houses, the lack of any offensive or defensive special coaching mind set. He was our coach that took us to the bowl so was Billick. I mean you walk into Owings mills with a defense of legends and be handed a QB and running back how could anyone not fail and look like a great coach. But the true test comes when those things are no longer available. Billick lost in his search for a QB, Harbaugh is losing with the franchise QB. But again neg me because you love him so much you can't, better yet refuse, to see his lack head coaching knowledge. He and Flacco grew together so he don't have what it takes to kick Flacco in his butt when he's throwing pick after pick. Can't yell at the golden goose is why no one says anything to Flacco when he messes up.

Edited December 17, 2015 by Hardhitters

[purpledown]

i stand with Harbaugh i believe he is a good coach. But this cant happen next season,the offseason program has to be looked at the draft procedure, personnel moves. We cant turn into the Browns.

[Guest]

Well make that out of the playoffs 2 years in 8...........and even more accurately 2 out of the last 3 years. I don't know what this article stated. I guess it was happy talk. We are where we are because recently we have had lower draft positions and overall have drafted poorly. The injuries certainly didn't help, but we are in a drafting slump.

Edited December 17, 2015 by Danny D

[reed20fence]

The issue is injuries. Period. Full stop. All this hooplah about Harbs being a bad coach or us sucking in the draft and blah blah blah is irrelevant. Sergio Kindle and Matt Elam are the only two high-end draft busts in the Harbaugh era, both were Ozzie's calls, and we made the playoffs with both on the roster anyway. We planned to replace Torrey with a guy that was bigger and faster and he got hurt. We lost a top 5 pass rusher week 1. We lost our top receptions target. We lost our franchise qb. We lost our starting and backup rb.

All this and yet somehow Harbaugh is still supposed to find some miraculous way to will us into the playoffs? You all know there's such a thing as a salary cap, right?

I swear sometimes it feels like the fans will never be satisfied unless all 22 starters are pro bowlers, and all of those guys' backups are also probowlers. Anything less and it's all "Ozzie is losing it," and "Harbaugh is no Billick," and "our scouts are terrible."

Grow up people. Harbs is right, sometimes life just sucks and you can't do anything about it. But I disagree with Harbs on one point. You can do one thing, not over-react. Don't gut what is essentially a good operation that fate just won't allow to work at this particular time.

Our real test is to see how patient and wise we are as a franchise in realizing this.

Edited December 17, 2015 by reed20fence

[Crusader]

Learning how to lose is not a positive impact.

[Raven Mom]

I think the idea is how Harbaugh has responded in a difficult situation. We all encounter them. This season has been a huge disappointment for coaches, players, and fans, but we can choose how we react and what we learn.

[Raven'evermore]

 Why on earth would anyone trade Harbs for Billick?  Wasn't Billick a major instigator in getting rid of Dilfer and thus beginning our rein of so so qbs starting with Elvis thank goodness he's left the building Grbac?  Dilfer might not be Flacco but he did have chemistry with the team and did lead our offense to a championship. Why would you break that up?  And what about after the championship after 2000? Nothing, that's what.  No playoffs until Harbs got here, and Lewis was there with Billick all along his tenure.  Not putting down Ray, but how can we say or imply that Ray was responsible for Harb's success when he was also with Billick during his lean years as well? 

[drillem]

No. This season is not just about injured players. It is also about penalties, dropped passes, inaccurate passes, interceptions, poor decisions, lack of execution, schedule, bad refereeing, time management and play option decisions, rotation in of new oc again and finally injuries to key players.

[RavensBaltimore]

Ok here I go, neg me one million and 3 times I don't really care. I want Brian Billick back, he'll bring the best possible DC which he's known for and with Flacco my goodness we would be playing lights out. You can still neg me but just before doing so picture every Billick roster with Flacco, we was 13-3 with a healthy Steve McNair.

You forgot to mention the 13-3 team failed to win a playoff game, even thought they had Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, and Suggs all in their prime, along with Ngata, Bart Scott, and Mcalister. That defense was far better than any Harbaugh has had.

 

 

 

Billick lost in his search for a QB, Harbaugh is losing with the franchise QB. 

This is his only losing season, and even before Flacco got hurt, we were down to 3rd string at all the other skill positions, our best defensive player was hurt, and we had all kinds of other bad luck as well. This season was a fluke. It does not represent his overall body of work.

 

 

 

He and Flacco grew together so he don't have what it takes to kick Flacco in his butt when he's throwing pick after pick. Can't yell at the golden goose is why no one says anything to Flacco when he messes up.

So Flacco was throwing a lot of INTs this year because Harbaugh wasn't yelling at him? I guess it had nothing to do with the fact that his receiving corps is depleted, or the fact that many of his picks came on tipped passes, drops, or desperation heaves with almost no time left. In his only game without Gronk this year, Tom Brady threw 2 picks against one the the worst defenses in the league. I guess Belichik didn't yell at him enough.

[Zeus]

He hasn't learned how to fire someone yet....pees

[TVB]

If you are not able to respect the man when he shows character in adversity, then you have no business praising him during success. Too many people are quick to blame the coach for what has clearly been a combination of bad luck, blown calls, key injuries, and missed opportunities.

[Tank 92]

That's my point man!  I said that imo Harbaugh "inherited" a team with a solid foundation!  Right?  The term, "solid foundation" speaks of experienced players in my book.  Something that now...that those guys are gone (as I mentioned) we're left without and imo we're seeing the firstfruits of that void.

 

 

The Ravens have been more consistent in competing in the tournament since he's been here. A down year or two doesn't change any of that, especially when you consider the circumstances. 

Edited December 19, 2015 by Tank 92

[Militant X 1]

The Ravens have been more consistent in competing in the tournament since he's been here. A down year or two doesn't change any of that, especially when you consider the circumstances. 

 

These circumstances that you speak of has absolutely nothing to do with Harbaugh inheriting a team with a solid foundation.  Perhaps a few roster tweaks here and there but the team was virtually solid before he showed up imo.  Kind of like, the Tampa Bucs with Gruden.  Dungy already had some things in place to make that a Super Bowl winning franchise prior to his departure and then Gruden walks through the door and wins.

[Tank 92]

These circumstances that you speak of has absolutely nothing to do with Harbaugh inheriting a team with a solid foundation.  Perhaps a few roster tweaks here and there but the team was virtually solid before he showed up imo.  Kind of like, the Tampa Bucs with Gruden.  Dungy already had some things in place to make that a Super Bowl winning franchise prior to his departure and then Gruden walks through the door and wins.

 

 

The team he inherited went 5-11 the previous year and had zero pride, drive or intensity. And while there was a pretty good core of key players, the locker room was in shambles, a wasteland. Not saying he single handedly turned it around(Joe's arrival had a lot to do with it as well), but it was a pretty remarkable change.