KO at left tackle in 2016.

[The Raven]

Brandon Williams and Rick Wagner? Kyle Juszczyk? Will Hill? Steve Smith won't be back because he'll be retired lol. Guy is another guy I guess. It's clear Brandon Williams will be the focus. It's also possible we can still bring back those guys.

 

I really want Wagner back but could see him being a cap casualty if he gets back to his 2014 form next season. Dude has the potential to be a top three RT and he played like it last season. I'd love to keep him for the sake of preserving a great line, but depending on how things shake out with KO he might get priced out.

[PurpleCity5]

Brandon Williams and Rick Wagner? Kyle Juszczyk? Will Hill? Steve Smith won't be back because he'll be retired lol. Guy is another guy I guess. It's clear Brandon Williams will be the focus. It's also possible we can still bring back those guys.

Yeah, Williams, Wagner and Hill all play an important role on this team. I'm not so sure how easy it will be to keep all of them given that we will add some more FA's soon. We could still be playing with house money in 2017 honestly if we keep K.O.

[GrimCoconut]

I really want Wagner back but could see him being a cap casualty if he gets back to his 2014 form next season. Dude has the potential to be a top three RT and he played like it last season. I'd love to keep him for the sake of preserving a great line, but depending on how things shake out with KO he might get priced out.

I think Wagner really hinges on how well he plays next year. It also depends on RT contracts handed out. RT typically don't make much comparatively speaking. I don't think it's out of the question we could keep him, but it'll likely mark the end of Zuttah imo depending on how Urschel plays and our confidence in him at center.

[Winchester]

When can Suggs and Dumervil be cut?? I know it is not this yr. My opinion Suggs is done and Dumervil will be good one more year. When does pitta and Monroe come off the books?? If Jimmy does not rebound Biscotti is not going to be pleased with all these terrible contracts. These big contracts are supposed to be the foundation of the team. Not the biggest detriments Daryl Smith, Canty,Arrington,Schaub and Forsett can be cut without to much of a hit if I remember correctly. Webb is accusation. He is playing OK but is getting older and not the player that was signed cuz of various injuries. If he can bulk up to bout 190-195 and play safety without getting injury he could justify keeping. What is his cap hit to keep and cut?? Monroe and Forsett alone could clear enough $$ to pay KO's cap hit this yr. Then Daryl Smith,Canty,Arrington,Schaub and Pitta should save a shiny coin. Joe could perhaps move some money and take a small paycut. Moving money only helps if the fo begins to make better draft picks and better signings. Then the ravens could afford to take the hit of Joe's delayed payment in a couple yrs. Joe needs to be a leader like Brady and put winning up front. A QB can make $120mil or $100mil and have an opportunity to win a couple championships. If he wins another championship or a couple he will make that money back in endorsements. I like Joe Cool as much as any fan but not $28mil!! He would have to be able to carry a bad team to the championship for that kinda money. Ravens need to nail the draft this yr. As well as get considerable production from Pro day and Max. Max needs to follow through with getting in shape and returning faster and stronger. He has a lot of pride so he should. Would be cool for Zadarius to get in olb shape and be a double digit sack producer. Ravens could then take some direct Hits on these bad contracts. The offense is only a real playmaker receiver away from being special.

[Inqui]

I think Wagner really hinges on how well he plays next year. It also depends on RT contracts handed out. RT typically don't make much comparatively speaking. I don't think it's out of the question we could keep him, but it'll likely mark the end of Zuttah imo depending on how Urschel plays and our confidence in him at center.

Tbh I wouldn't be surprised if we just took some dude from the Big Ten in the 4th round and let Wagner walk once his contract expires. That seems like the kinda thing we'd do.

[Wildabeast88]

When can Suggs and Dumervil be cut?? I know it is not this yr. My opinion Suggs is done and Dumervil will be good one more year. When does pitta and Monroe come off the books?? If Jimmy does not rebound Biscotti is not going to be pleased with all these terrible contracts. These big contracts are supposed to be the foundation of the team. Not the biggest detriments Daryl Smith, Canty,Arrington,Schaub and Forsett can be cut without to much of a hit if I remember correctly. Webb is accusation. He is playing OK but is getting older and not the player that was signed cuz of various injuries. If he can bulk up to bout 190-195 and play safety without getting injury he could justify keeping. What is his cap hit to keep and cut?? Monroe and Forsett alone could clear enough $$ to pay KO's cap hit this yr. Then Daryl Smith,Canty,Arrington,Schaub and Pitta should save a shiny coin. Joe could perhaps move some money and take a small paycut. Moving money only helps if the fo begins to make better draft picks and better signings. Then the ravens could afford to take the hit of Joe's delayed payment in a couple yrs. Joe needs to be a leader like Brady and put winning up front. A QB can make $120mil or $100mil and have an opportunity to win a couple championships. If he wins another championship or a couple he will make that money back in endorsements. I like Joe Cool as much as any fan but not $28mil!! He would have to be able to carry a bad team to the championship for that kinda money. Ravens need to nail the draft this yr. As well as get considerable production from Pro day and Max. Max needs to follow through with getting in shape and returning faster and stronger. He has a lot of pride so he should. Would be cool for Zadarius to get in olb shape and be a double digit sack producer. Ravens could then take some direct Hits on these bad contracts. The offense is only a real playmaker receiver away from being special.

Here is the run down on contracts

Jimmy signed through 2019 dead money at least 5.2 mil until 2019

Pitta through 18 retirement I not know how that affects us but 6.6 in dead money if cut this year

Monroe through 2018 6.6 dead money 2.1 saved if cut this year 4.4 dead in 2017

Suggs through 2018 to much money to cut

Dumervil through 2017

Canty saves 2.1 if cut this year

Arrington saves 1.4 mil

Daryl Smith 2.6 saved

Also why cut Forsett yes he saves 2.3 mil but his play and leadership are worth more than that so I would not cut him

Overthecap.com is my source

Also Joe's contract was set up to redo after 3 years so this the time to redo his deal and please Brady still makes a ton of money so I hate to hear that comparison

Edited January 3, 2016 by Wildabeast88

[The Raven]

Tbh I wouldn't be surprised if we just took some dude from the Big Ten in the 4th round and let Wagner walk once his contract expires. That seems like the kinda thing we'd do.

 

Not unlikely. Zone blocking right tackles are fairly easy to find, and with a guy like Castillo, I'm confident we'd find a good prospect.

[Winchester]

Right tackles are not as hard to find. I would bet Jensen could if he necessary. Although guard and center fits him best. Jensen is a stud!! Only weakness I see in his game is he needs to strengthen his calves. A little more power in his legs wouldn't hurt as well. As he generates his immense power mostly from his upper body and hips. A little more bulk in his legs and he is very pro bowl caliber. Not that his legs are weak. Just could use a little more functional muscle for an all around balanced and dominating player. He should spend some time with KO and Urschel. Urschel adjusting at center not only upgrades the position with a far stronger and nastier player but saves money by trading Zuttah for a round7 pick. If ravens dont land Tunsil then Osemele,Jensen,Urschel,Yanda,Wagner is quite a punch and attitude!! Every player is 320lbs or more and athletic enough to zone block. However KO at left guard is the best and most devastating drive blocker at the position in the league. Tunsil at LT and KO at guard would be the best Oline the NFL has seen in years. Best OLine since Dallas was the chiefs in late 1990s and early 2000s. It made Grbac look good and allowed Priest Holmes to thrive. And the current Dallas line. If ravens could somehow land Tunsil and keep KO then the ravens line easily is far stronger than the Dallas Line. For all the ink the Dallas Line currently gets, guys like Frederick and Zach Martin do not get to much movement off the ball. Collins does but not like KO, Yanda

or Urschel. In my opinion nobody can justify putting zuttah back at center. Urschel is just so much Stronger and more physical!! And an ascending athlete with his tae kwan do lessons and work ethic and will adjust to the position.

[GrimCoconut]

Here is the run down on contracts

Jimmy signed through 2019 dead money at least 5.2 mil until 2019

Pitta through 18 retirement I not know how that affects us but 6.6 in dead money if cut this year

Monroe through 2018 6.6 dead money 2.1 saved if cut this year 4.4 dead in 2017

Suggs through 2018 to much money to cut

Dumervil through 2017

Canty saves 2.1 if cut this year

Arrington saves 1.4 mil

Daryl Smith 2.6 saved

Also why cut Forsett yes he saves 2.3 mil but his play and leadership are worth more than that so I would not cut him

Overthecap.com is my source

Also Joe's contract was set up to redo after 3 years so this the time to redo his deal and please Brady still makes a ton of money so I hate to hear that comparison

Dumervil & Suggs likely finish their contracts here. No reason to get rid of their talent. I think Canty, Arrington, Smith, & Monroe are probably gone. Canty will be replaced by the 80/20 rule. Arrington just isn't used much. Smith may be gone but he could stick. I wouldn't rule him out. Monroe is certainly gone. 

[GrimCoconut]

Right tackles are not as hard to find. I would bet Jensen could if he necessary. Although guard and center fits him best. Jensen is a stud!! Only weakness I see in his game is he needs to strengthen his calves. A little more power in his legs wouldn't hurt as well. As he generates his immense power mostly from his upper body and hips. A little more bulk in his legs and he is very pro bowl caliber. Not that his legs are weak. Just could use a little more functional muscle for an all around balanced and dominating player. He should spend some time with KO and Urschel. Urschel adjusting at center not only upgrades the position with a far stronger and nastier player but saves money by trading Zuttah for a round7 pick. If ravens dont land Tunsil then Osemele,Jensen,Urschel,Yanda,Wagner is quite a punch and attitude!! Every player is 320lbs or more and athletic enough to zone block. However KO at left guard is the best and most devastating drive blocker at the position in the league. Tunsil at LT and KO at guard would be the best Oline the NFL has seen in years. Best OLine since Dallas was the chiefs in late 1990s and early 2000s. It made Grbac look good and allowed Priest Holmes to thrive. And the current Dallas line. If ravens could somehow land Tunsil and keep KO then the ravens line easily is far stronger than the Dallas Line. For all the ink the Dallas Line currently gets, guys like Frederick and Zach Martin do not get to much movement off the ball. Collins does but not like KO, Yanda

or Urschel. In my opinion nobody can justify putting zuttah back at center. Urschel is just so much Stronger and more physical!! And an ascending athlete with his tae kwan do lessons and work ethic and will adjust to the position.

I love reading your posts. You always talk about getting stronger and building better lower body strength, lol. You also talk up KO a lot. I wonder if you are secretly his agent. I'm sometimes almost ready to buy my Super Bowl tickets after reading your posts on KO lol. 

 

No offense made here, btw. 

[Winchester]

Here is the run down on contracts

Jimmy signed through 2019 dead money at least 5.2 mil until 2019

Pitta through 18 retirement I not know how that affects us but 6.6 in dead money if cut this year

Monroe through 2018 6.6 dead money 2.1 saved if cut this year 4.4 dead in 2017

Suggs through 2018 to much money to cut

Dumervil through 2017

Canty saves 2.1 if cut this year

Arrington saves 1.4 mil

Daryl Smith 2.6 saved

Also why cut Forsett yes he saves 2.3 mil but his play and leadership are worth more than that so I would not cut him

Overthecap.com is my source

Also Joe's contract was set up to redo after 3 years so this the time to redo his deal and please Brady still makes a ton of money so I hate to hear that comparison

Thanx!! But that is freaking rediculous!! Suggs' money is guaranteed til he is 37 yrs old?? Pitta while injured is payed like Gronk?? I dunno how Ozzie can not be on the heat seat. And yeah Brady gets payed but not $28mil!! What is Suggs' cap hit for next couple yrs?? Because in my opinion he is not going to be starter caliber. Ozzie loves his older players!! So if Zadarius bets in olb shape and makes the leap to double digit olb status and ravens draft say Carl Lawson the ravens will have all that money on the sidelines practically coaching??

[GrimCoconut]

Thanx!! But that is freakin rediculous!! Suggs' money is guaranteed til he is 37 yrs old?? Pitta while injured is payed like Gronk?? I dunno how Ozzie can not be on the heat seat. And yeah Brady gets payed but not $28mil!! What is Suggs' cap hit for next couple yrs?? Because in my opinion he is not going to be starter caliber. Ozzie loves his older players!! So if Zadarius bets in olb shape and makes the leap to double digit olb status and ravens draft say Carl Lawson the ravens will have all that money on the sidelines practically coaching??

They'll probably use them in a nasty rotation. Yeah, it's expensive, but having a rotation of a pass rush is a nice thing to have. 

[Wildabeast88]

Thanx!! But that is freakin rediculous!! Suggs' money is guaranteed til he is 37 yrs old?? Pitta while injured is payed like Gronk?? I dunno how Ozzie can not be on the heat seat. And yeah Brady gets payed but not $28mil!! What is Suggs' cap hit for next couple yrs?? Because in my opinion he is not going to be starter caliber. Ozzie loves his older players!! So if Zadarius bets in olb shape and makes the leap to double digit olb status and ravens draft say Carl Lawson the ravens will have all that money on the sidelines practically coaching??

That was how the contract with Joe was set up don't forget the year after the Super Bowl Joe made 6.8 he only made 14.8 this year. If it weren't for injury Pitta was just under Gronk and Graham as one of the top TEs and Suggs restructured to give us more money last year which pushed more guaranteed money to the back end. Ozzie is the best in the business he should not be on the hot seat .

[rmcjacket23]

Not unlikely. Zone blocking right tackles are fairly easy to find, and with a guy like Castillo, I'm confident we'd find a good prospect.

While this is true, because of this, RTs also get paid less. So resigning him may cost less. Just a matter of price.

Certainly don't expect us to sign him for like $8M a year, but at maybe $5M a year I don't think it's all that risky.

[Guest]

Sign and keep players worth keeping? ... or rather watch all of our players that would be worth keeping go to large markets. 

 

Do you really want the MLB model? How's that working out for the Os? Enjoy Machado while we have him, cause he's going to soon be in NY, Bos, LA or CHI. 

 

No thanks. 

Yeah, I definitely want the MLB model. The topic is too large to elaborate on right now. Definitely yes.

[CalvinSmoke]

When's the last time we signed a guy a long term contract and benefited from it? Yanda?

[Cillmatic]

When's the last time we signed a guy a long term contract and benefited from it? Yanda?

Steve?

[cobrajet]

I wasn't sure what I was saying either lol. I was saying...

Wagner | Jensen | Zuttah | Urschel | Yanda

I don't like this line though. I want to make that clear. I'm not fond of moving Wagner to LT and Yanda to RT. I think I'd sooner have Hurst at RT

Hurst scares me. He got Joe injured, so I am gun-shy on him now as a Tackle....even at RT.

[GrimCoconut]

I couldn't focus much on this game since I worked today but how did KO do at LT?

[The Raven]

I couldn't focus much on this game since I worked today but how did KO do at LT?

 

Had a false start and got beat inside once but had a great game if you ask me. I know it sounds like the same old song every week from me but I'm really not seeing much bad from KO.

[rmw10]

I couldn't focus much on this game since I worked today but how did KO do at LT?

 

As The Raven said, it was another good game from him.  He seems to be having a couple of bad plays a game but I can handle that.  He's not getting beat much on the outside which is a good thing.

[PurpleCity5]

He should only get better at LT. It's a toss up but with the limited cap room we have, I'm not overly optimistic we bring him back.

[jazz1988]

I'm not sure how I feel about K.O at Left tackle. We all know he's a better guard than anything but left tackle is some what a need because Monroe can't stay healthy consistently.

[Gordo52]

What do you guys think are the chances of bringing him back?

[ALPHA]

What do you guys think are the chances of bringing him back?

 

I'd say it's pretty unlikely

[jimmypowder]

I'm not sure how I feel about K.O at Left tackle. We all know he's a better guard than anything but left tackle is some what a need because Monroe can't stay healthy consistently.

We need a corner,safety,pass rusher and receiver bad. I like Osemele at LT but LT may be our first pick at no 6 in the draft

and he likely will cost too much money for us.

WIth Suggs and Doom getting old ,I think we need a pass rusher first and foremost . LT could be tied pass rusher as our biggest need.  

 

We need some playmakers .Smith Sr is a play maker ,so is Joe. After that , we lack consistent playmakers. 

Edited January 4, 2016 by jimmypowder

[Willbacker]

He should only get better at LT. It's a toss up but with the limited cap room we have, I'm not overly optimistic we bring him back.

I'm afraid you're right. Even cutting Monroe would only save us 2 mil. We're just gonna have to hope and pray we get a healthy Monroe for 16 games next year or see if we draft one in the 1st rd.

[PurpleCity5]

I'm afraid you're right. Even cutting Monroe would only save us 2 mil. We're just gonna have to hope and pray we get a healthy Monroe for 16 games next year or see if we draft one in the 1st rd.

I didn't even add the guys we'll even want to add because lets be honest, the draft won't fill every need we have. 

[atomicfront]

I didn't even add the guys we'll even want to add because lets be honest, the draft won't fill every need we have. 

 

That is right and the team is not going to be very good next season.  Even when we drafted Ogden and Ray Lewis in 1996 we finished 4-12.  Whomever we get will be rookies and this team has more issues than a couple of rookies are going to solve. 

[jimmypowder]

I think we can all agree that this ,after a couple of weak drafts, is the most important draft in possibly Ravens history.