KO at left tackle in 2016.

[rmcjacket23]

look..KO can be our BIG FA signing

 

get everyone healthy

 

(change the strength and fitness regiem/coaches)

 

draft a WR 

 

Find a UDFA gem ( its about time ozzie..BART SCOTT THIS )

 

Our offense will be set. Honestly when healthy we will have a very good offense

 

the rest of the draft needs to be dedicated to the D.

We won't have the cap space for a big free agent signing.

 

I don't see what the strength and conditioning coaches have to do with anything. Blame the players... its their bodies.

[Maryland]

I could see Oz justifying re-signing KO if he truly believes he can be a LT. Signing your own is much different from signing a UFA from elsewhere.

 

However, with only KO and Upshaw (and Tucker if he's not franchised) as our potential comp. picks for this season, I don't see them being re-signed. More likely KO walks and Oz signs a stop-gap cap-casualty LT. 

[PurpleCity5]

I could see Oz justifying re-signing KO if he truly believes he can be a LT. Signing your own is much different from signing a UFA from elsewhere.

 

However, with only KO and Upshaw (and Tucker if he's not franchised) as our potential comp. picks for this season, I don't see them being re-signed. More likely KO walks and Oz signs a stop-gap cap-casualty LT. 

I value the K.O more than the comp in this instance. I don't know if we do get a deal done. I don't even think we get a comp from Upshaw at all. 

 

LT is not a position you can play around with and grab a cap-casualty. Not many LTs become cap casualty's at all in fact. If we do go after one, it would be a guy of Jah Reid's caliber, a below average LT to say the least. 

[Inqui]

I value the K.O more than the comp in this instance. I don't know if we do get a deal done. I don't even think we get a comp from Upshaw at all.

LT is not a position you can play around with and grab a cap-casualty. Not many LTs become cap casualty's at all in fact. If we do go after one, it would be a guy of Jah Reid's caliber, a below average LT to say the least.

I think Will Beatty would be an interesting one. Wait for him to get cut and sign him to a fairly cheap two-year deal or something, draft a LT if one falls (or take someone else and keep Beatty as a stopgap if there are better options). I think a decent player with injury concerns could be one that becomes available.

[Maryland]

I value the K.O more than the comp in this instance. I don't know if we do get a deal done. I don't even think we get a comp from Upshaw at all. 

 

LT is not a position you can play around with and grab a cap-casualty. Not many LTs become cap casualty's at all in fact. If we do go after one, it would be a guy of Jah Reid's caliber, a below average LT to say the least. 

Beatty and Clady are going to be cap casualties who are good LTs when healthy... and Monroe

 

I didn't say I wanted a crappy stop-gap, just that I think that's what will happen. 

[rmcjacket23]

Beatty and Clady are going to be cap casualties who are good LTs when healthy... and Monroe

 

I didn't say I wanted a crappy stop-gap, just that I think that's what will happen. 

I expect Monroe to be the LT for this team in 2016. I honestly don't see why people expect him to get cut.

 

Keep in mind that a "cheap" deal for guys like Clady or Beatty would still be at least $4-5M a year, likely a bit more. You'd probably end up signing them in the Monroe pay area. I don't see where we are going to have the cap space to make those kinds of signings either.

[BmoreBird22]

I wholeheartedly think blame can be put on the strength and conditioning coaches.

They're hired to be professionals at preparing an athletes body for the oncoming sixteen game slate of very tough games. They are there to maximize the workouts and training to help minimize injuries.

Now, it will fall on the players to actually listen to the trainers and follow their advice and workout regime, but they aren't getting paid for nothing.

[BmoreBird22]

I expect Monroe to be the LT for this team in 2016. I honestly don't see why people expect him to get cut.

Probably because two guys like Aaron Wilson and Jeff Zriebac, reporters with inside information and far more access to the Ravens than you or I, have reported there's a very real possibility over the Ravens growing frustration over a fit.

[rmcjacket23]

Probably because two guys like Aaron Wilson and Jeff Zriebac, reporters with inside information and far more access to the Ravens than you or I, have reported there's a very real possibility over the Ravens growing frustration over a fit.

True, though part of the frustration had more to do with his lack of cooperation in restructuring his contract to benefit the team. Obviously the injury frustration is there, but I still don't see how you cut the guy with no replacement process in place. At the very least, targeting somebody early in the draft is a possibility, but that's two months after FA opens. 

 

I don't see how he gets cut early in FA. In May, after the draft, possibly. But its not like cutting him frees up enough space to replace him on the FA market or even internally, and you're not finding even a serviceable LT in May on the FA market.

 

My expectation has always been that 2016 is a make or break year for him. 

Edited December 18, 2015 by rmcjacket23

[January J]

True, though part of the frustration had more to do with his lack of cooperation in restructuring his contract to benefit the team. Obviously the injury frustration is there, but I still don't see how you cut the guy with no replacement process in place. At the very least, targeting somebody early in the draft is a possibility, but that's two months after FA opens. 

 

I don't see how he gets cut early in FA. In May, after the draft, possibly. But its not like cutting him frees up enough space to replace him on the FA market or even internally, and you're not finding even a serviceable LT in May on the FA market.

 

My expectation has always been that 2016 is a make or break year for him.

if we did draft a tunsil or Stanley would it make better sense to cut him post June 1st or keep him on as depth?

[rmcjacket23]

if we did draft a tunsil or Stanley would it make better sense to cut him post June 1st or keep him on as depth?

Depends if we needed the cap space for 2016 or not. By then, typically not a ton of quality FAs left to be signed. 

 

In my opinion, an ideal spot would be to start a rookie like that at Guard for a year, and then move them to LT in 2017 when you cut Monroe.

 

There will undoubtedly be significant growing pains when starting a rookie LT week 1 right out of the gate.

[757RavensFan]

Could we franchise tag KO, any benefit to that?

[PurpleCity5]

I think Will Beatty would be an interesting one. Wait for him to get cut and sign him to a fairly cheap two-year deal or something, draft a LT if one falls (or take someone else and keep Beatty as a stopgap if there are better options). I think a decent player with injury concerns could be one that becomes available.

 

Beatty and Clady are going to be cap casualties who are good LTs when healthy... and Monroe

 

I didn't say I wanted a crappy stop-gap, just that I think that's what will happen. 

I do hav my questions about Beatty, he's a solid LT but will he return as a solid LT? I like Clady a lot and if we do sign one then I strongly feel that we don't have to go after a LT hard in the draft. 

 

It is still hard to get one of those guys because LT is a hot commodity and teams know both of them are solid LT and will pay up. I believe we got Bryant Mikinnie from FA as a cap-cut LT, I don't think we can do better than that if Clady and Beatty are gone or don't hit FA. 

[PurpleCity5]

Could we franchise tag KO, any benefit to that?

I don't think so. Tagging him for $12M is a very high price to pay. Not to mention players absolutely hate it, I don't know if K.O would be happy with a tag. Also, we don't do it unless we absolutely have to. We didn't even do it with Eugene Monroe who was absolutely the biggest priority on the team at the time. 

[atomicfront]

Could we franchise tag KO, any benefit to that?

 

Franchise tag for offensive lineman next year would be close to 14 million.  Osemele isn't worth that and we don't have that kind of salary cap space anyway.  Everyone just has to realize he will be on a new team next year and deal with it. 

[757RavensFan]

Franchise tag for offensive lineman next year would be close to 14 million.  Osemele isn't worth that and we don't have that kind of salary cap space anyway.  Everyone just has to realize he will be on a new team next year and deal with it. 

 

Ok so the franchise tag is for the entire OLine and not a specific OLine position (G, T, C)?  Didn't know that.

[BmoreBird22]

True, though part of the frustration had more to do with his lack of cooperation in restructuring his contract to benefit the team. Obviously the injury frustration is there, but I still don't see how you cut the guy with no replacement process in place. At the very least, targeting somebody early in the draft is a possibility, but that's two months after FA opens.

I don't see how he gets cut early in FA. In May, after the draft, possibly. But its not like cutting him frees up enough space to replace him on the FA market or even internally, and you're not finding even a serviceable LT in May on the FA market.

My expectation has always been that 2016 is a make or break year for him.

Apparently there's a large disconnect between him and Castillo and his ability to fit the "play like a Raven" style.

I'm highly doubtful a simple restructure would frustrate the team as much as how often he's injured and unavailable at his price and his ability to fit into the scheme. Something tells me they're less concerned with restructuring a contract they they drew up than the two aforementioned issues.

You can have that expectation, but it may not come to fruition

[PurpleCity5]

Apparently there's a large disconnect between him and Castillo and his ability to fit the "play like a Raven" style.

I'm highly doubtful a simple restructure would frustrate the team as much as how often he's injured and unavailable at his price and his ability to fit into the scheme. Something tells me they're less concerned with restructuring a contract they they drew up than the two aforementioned issues.

You can have that expectation, but it may not come to fruition

If those reports are true then he's fried. Its as simple as that. 

[BmoreBird22]

If those reports are true then he's fried. Its as simple as that.

i don't think Zriebac and Wilson, even Schefter, would say it if it weren't true

[PurpleCity5]

i don't think Zriebac and Wilson, even Schefter, would say it if it weren't true

The fact that three of them said it has me convinced. Also, you can tell the Ravens are frustrated. I've pointed this out before and so have they, but its not only the amount of games he has missed, but look at the amount of games he has failed to finish, it must drive them nuts. 

[BSHU_Miami]

look..KO can be our BIG FA signing

 

get everyone healthy

 

(change the strength and fitness regiem/coaches)

 

draft a WR 

 

Find a UDFA gem ( its about time ozzie..BART SCOTT THIS )

 

Our offense will be set. Honestly when healthy we will have a very good offense

 

the rest of the draft needs to be dedicated to the D.

I agree with this. Our defense is in the bottom half of the league, I wouldn't mind loading up on defense this draft, Bosa and a replacement for Daryl Smith in the first 2 rounds wouldn't make me mad at all.

[BmoreBird22]

The fact that three of them said it has me convinced. Also, you can tell the Ravens are frustrated. I've pointed this out before and so have they, but its not only the amount of games he has missed, but look at the amount of games he has failed to finish, it must drive them nuts. 

I was able to really look past the injuries because I thought it must have been conditioning and the medical staff that needed to be evaluated with the amount of injuries that kept piling up to players with no prior history, but if he's not a fit, I just don't see any reason to keep him.

But to hear he's not a fit or seeing eye to eye with Castillo AND missing so many games has me wondering if he fails to finish games because if he gets even minor injuries, he wants to sit and not risk further injury because he knows he's gonna get cut...

 

But then again, this was an issue in his first year here, so I doubt that's the reason. I'm just really frustrated because he had top 10 talent, easy, but it's hardly come to be that since he signed his new deal.

[PurpleCity5]

I was able to really look past the injuries because I thought it must have been conditioning and the medical staff that needed to be evaluated with the amount of injuries that kept piling up to players with no prior history, but if he's not a fit, I just don't see any reason to keep him.

But to hear he's not a fit or seeing eye to eye with Castillo AND missing so many games has me wondering if he fails to finish games because if he gets even minor injuries, he wants to sit and not risk further injury because he knows he's gonna get cut...

 

But then again, this was an issue in his first year here, so I doubt that's the reason. I'm just really frustrated because he had top 10 talent, easy, but it's hardly come to be that since he signed his new deal.

Yeah, if he is not buying into the organization then you let him go honestly. I personally am disappointed because like you said he has top 10 talent but we can never get that out of him. It seems the guy just cannot stay on the field at all. At this point I would rather let him go and at least take what we can get with the $2M

[BmoreBird22]

Yeah, if he is not buying into the organization then you let him go honestly. I personally am disappointed because like you said he has top 10 talent but we can never get that out of him. It seems the guy just cannot stay on the field at all. At this point I would rather let him go and at least take what we can get with the $2M

Really no point in paying a player who doesn't want to be here. $2M is better than nothing.

[CalvinSmoke]

We played around too much, should have paid him as a guard already forget semantics, he's a bookmark player, you keep him. Then he could be a cheap LT at times when need be.

[52520Andrew]

We played around too much, should have paid him as a guard already forget semantics, he's a bookmark player, you keep him. Then he could be a cheap LT at times when need be.

We made our choice when we kept Yanda. K.O. is gonna be gone, we can't afford him at either position

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

It would definitely be nice to be able to keep KO but it's definitely going to cost some $.

[omar586]

i think we end up keeping both  monroe and KO, and trading Monroe later on.

[rmcjacket23]

i think we end up keeping both  monroe and KO, and trading Monroe later on.

Won't be able to afford to do that

[PurpleCity5]

Now that I think about it, I think you let K.O go and sign a LT, it sucks but we will have Brandon Williams, Ricky Wagner and Will Hill as FAs in 2017 and I would like to keep 2 out 3 of em'.