KO at left tackle in 2016.

[Deflated Football]

Is there any realistic possibility that we can even sign KO as an OG, let alone a LT? The draft isn't going to fill all of our needs and we're already in cap hell and still need a lot of help.

[BmoreBird22]

Did he? Didnt look like it. What was his grade by Filmstudy? Does he post here? Gp check RSR. He didnt grade out like some superstar.

It really is a moot point though. We cant pay him, we cant even pay him as a G let alone a LT. Well theoretically we could, and you can say bye bye to,signing any FAs or retaining a couple other guys wed like to. This isnt Madden.

Didn't see offensive line grades for the Seattle game.

[Guest]

The solution is really quite simple. Secede from the Salary Cap agreement. Bisciotti be a confederate and pay to keep the men worth keeping.

Obviously the best thing is to rescind the Salary Cap and go to an open Free Market system. Sign and keep players worth keeping and let the poor personnel evaluators over pay for those not worth huge deals, but no limit upon spending. That is how you test player evaluation. That is how you keep a team together and develop real relationships between the fans and the players. Otherwise, the players become mere commodities and would be collective bargainers debate endlessly which good players should go.

There's something very un American about this aspect of the NFL.

Obviously Osemele should stay, but this legal fiction we call a Salary Cap makes a debate like this go on and on. Heck Ozzie Newsome is losing at this salary cap game now, what makes anyone else think they know better how to work within this fiction.

[GrimCoconut]

Well, I think I've officially read every kind of crazy this forum can produce now. I've peaked.

 

Zuttah isn't our most consistent OL. I think Yanda has played consistently well. It's also a bit unfair considering Zuttah's smaller sample size. I don't see why we would cut Zuttah, even if we did keep KO and cut Monroe. Seems a bit stupid to cut Zuttah under those pretenses. He could always play LG or Urschel could do that job. Urschel could play C or LG, same goes for Zuttah. Both likely see the field next year.

[The Raven]

The solution is really quite simple. Secede from the Salary Cap agreement. Bisciotti be a confederate and pay to keep the men worth keeping.

Obviously the best thing is to rescind the Salary Cap and go to an open Free Market system. Sign and keep players worth keeping and let the poor personnel evaluators over pay for those not worth huge deals, but no limit upon spending. That is how you test player evaluation. That is how you keep a team together and develop real relationships between the fans and the players. Otherwise, the players become mere commodities and would be collective bargainers debate endlessly which good players should go.

There's something very un American about this aspect of the NFL.

Obviously Osemele should stay, but this legal fiction we call a Salary Cap makes a debate like this go on and on. Heck Ozzie Newsome is losing at this salary cap game now, what makes anyone else think they know better how to work within this fiction.

 

Lol omg what even is this

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Lol omg what even is this

......

I come back here for two minuets and my brain cells die again.

I want to keep KO but I find it unlikely. I like Urschel at guard, but would prefer him as a backup

[JoeyFlex5]

Zuttah was probably the best and most consistent performer on this line besides Yanda prior to getting injured, and he's only due $3.5M next season.

I see no reason to lump him in this group, nor do I see any reason why he wouldn't be back.

There's no way we will ever have a roster full of players living up to their contract. No team in the league does. The difference is we lack depth in many areas.

zuttah was average. Got no push in the run game, held up well in pass pro and has a good head an his shoulders, but wasnt the best after yanda. Wagner and ko are both better assets

[JoeyFlex5]

I'll play. I disagree there. Ain't no way Wagner played better than Zuttah this season. Early in the season in multiple games, Wagner was graded as the worst RT in the league.

early. Lisfranc. Improved. Explained. Edited December 17, 2015 by JoeyFlex5

[Winchester]

Baseball has no salary cap!! It could be argued the salary cap is socialism. A salary cap is to create a level playing field for organizations operated void of intelligence Salary cap is trying to give stupid people extra opportunity. It allows poorly managed teams to take from teams that draft well. The salary cap and teams with worst records drafting first was Obama's idea!! lol

[Winchester]

Urschel could be a decent guard but a phenomenal center!!

[Tru11]

The solution is really quite simple. Secede from the Salary Cap agreement. Bisciotti be a confederate and pay to keep the men worth keeping.

Obviously the best thing is to rescind the Salary Cap and go to an open Free Market system. Sign and keep players worth keeping and let the poor personnel evaluators over pay for those not worth huge deals, but no limit upon spending. That is how you test player evaluation. That is how you keep a team together and develop real relationships between the fans and the players. Otherwise, the players become mere commodities and would be collective bargainers debate endlessly which good players should go.

There's something very un American about this aspect of the NFL.

Obviously Osemele should stay, but this legal fiction we call a Salary Cap makes a debate like this go on and on. Heck Ozzie Newsome is losing at this salary cap game now, what makes anyone else think they know better how to work within this fiction.

 

[ALPHA]

I like KO but he is not yet a proven commodity at LT, Monroe is. I think Monroe gets another year to prove he can stay healthy.

[RaineV1]

Monroe might get another year, but I think the Ravens bring in serious competition for him this time, probably in the form of a rookie LT.

[PurpleCity5]

I like KO but he is not yet a proven commodity at LT, Monroe is. I think Monroe gets another year to prove he can stay healthy.

In my opionion, Monroe has not proven as much as K.O. He has not shown at all to stay healthy. We talk about all the games Monroe has missed, but look at all the games he failed to finish. I reserve my judgement on K.O at LT until the season end, but Monroe has been the much more un-proven LT in my eyes even though we only have one game in which K.O played LT as crazy as it sounds.

[Radinho84]

In my opionion, Monroe has not proven as much as K.O. He has not shown at all to stay healthy. We talk about all the games Monroe has missed, but look at all the games he failed to finish. I reserve my judgement on K.O at LT until the season end, but Monroe has been the much more un-proven LT in my eyes even though we only have one game in which K.O played LT as crazy as it sounds.

come on. Monroe is a proven LT in the NFL and a very good one. He didn´t have any injury issues with the jags. He struggled to stay healthy with the ravens but so do a lot of players the last two years. they should really look into that. KO had his fair share of injuries and missed games as well and I remember a lot of discussions where people said we should let him walk because we have that much depth behind….

[Radinho84]

I like KO but he is not yet a proven commodity at LT, Monroe is. I think Monroe gets another year to prove he can stay healthy.

I think so as well. He is too valuable when healthy to just let him walk...

[Inqui]

The solution is really quite simple. Secede from the Salary Cap agreement. Bisciotti be a confederate and pay to keep the men worth keeping.

Obviously the best thing is to rescind the Salary Cap and go to an open Free Market system. Sign and keep players worth keeping and let the poor personnel evaluators over pay for those not worth huge deals, but no limit upon spending. That is how you test player evaluation. That is how you keep a team together and develop real relationships between the fans and the players. Otherwise, the players become mere commodities and would be collective bargainers debate endlessly which good players should go.

There's something very un American about this aspect of the NFL.

Obviously Osemele should stay, but this legal fiction we call a Salary Cap makes a debate like this go on and on. Heck Ozzie Newsome is losing at this salary cap game now, what makes anyone else think they know better how to work within this fiction.

Do you live in Colorado perchance?

[usmccharles]

The solution is really quite simple. Secede from the Salary Cap agreement. Bisciotti be a confederate and pay to keep the men worth keeping.

Obviously the best thing is to rescind the Salary Cap and go to an open Free Market system. Sign and keep players worth keeping and let the poor personnel evaluators over pay for those not worth huge deals, but no limit upon spending. That is how you test player evaluation. That is how you keep a team together and develop real relationships between the fans and the players. Otherwise, the players become mere commodities and would be collective bargainers debate endlessly which good players should go.

There's something very un American about this aspect of the NFL.

Obviously Osemele should stay, but this legal fiction we call a Salary Cap makes a debate like this go on and on. Heck Ozzie Newsome is losing at this salary cap game now, what makes anyone else think they know better how to work within this fiction.

Are you an economics major?

[rmcjacket23]

The solution is really quite simple. Secede from the Salary Cap agreement. Bisciotti be a confederate and pay to keep the men worth keeping.

Obviously the best thing is to rescind the Salary Cap and go to an open Free Market system. Sign and keep players worth keeping and let the poor personnel evaluators over pay for those not worth huge deals, but no limit upon spending. That is how you test player evaluation. That is how you keep a team together and develop real relationships between the fans and the players. Otherwise, the players become mere commodities and would be collective bargainers debate endlessly which good players should go.

There's something very un American about this aspect of the NFL.

Obviously Osemele should stay, but this legal fiction we call a Salary Cap makes a debate like this go on and on. Heck Ozzie Newsome is losing at this salary cap game now, what makes anyone else think they know better how to work within this fiction.

Worst idea I've ever heard for the Ravens. Bischotti's pockets ain't deep enough for the Ravens to be long-term sustainable in an open market system.

 

And while you are at it... get rid of the draft. Just buy players straight out of college and high school. After all, the draft itself is un-American as well. What other employment environment on this planet doesn't allow the worker to at least partially choose his employer?

 

Naturally, Bischotti has no incentive to do this, because the elimination of the salary cap makes profit sharing less likely, and a large amount of the revenue the Ravens generate comes from sources outside of the Ravens themselves.

 

Wouldn't be a very good business decision.

[redrum52]

I've said this a lot, but I've always liked the Patriots' way of building their team. For about a decade, they invested about $25 million in their line, keeping most of the same starters for quite some time. What they neglected is running back, and yes, receiver, to a certain extent. They also neglected their defense a good deal. But, they won. I have long held the belief that if you build a fortress in front of your QB and preserve it, you are capable of winning games. Now, we have a solid line this year, but our defense is just so bad we couldn't win. If I was in control, we'd be spending the big money on QB, OL, and defense. It doesn't matter how damn good your receivers are if you have no line, no run game, and no defense. 

 

Said the same as well, regarding o line.  I think that's what Ozzie was trying to do, too, this year.  Tried to keep the continuity, hoping that guys would return to form in the secondary, but everything just went to hell.

[redrum52]

Do you live in Colorado perchance?

LMAO.  

[PurpleCity5]

come on. Monroe is a proven LT in the NFL and a very good one. He didn´t have any injury issues with the jags. He struggled to stay healthy with the ravens but so do a lot of players the last two years. they should really look into that. KO had his fair share of injuries and missed games as well and I remember a lot of discussions where people said we should let him walk because we have that much depth behind….

What bother me about Monroe is not only the injuries that have kept him out, but the fact that he cannot finish games. The fact that numerous amount of times, he is being taken out and not returning is a red-flag for me. That is more damning that any other players with a recent injury history here.

 

As a LT, I do believe he can play, but can he stay on the field? So far he has not proven he is able to. In Jacksonville he was able to stay on the field, here he cannot. If he goes to another team and plays the full 16 game slate then I will be convinced something is wrong with the staff here.

[balfan23]

The solution is really quite simple. Secede from the Salary Cap agreement. Bisciotti be a confederate and pay to keep the men worth keeping.

Obviously the best thing is to rescind the Salary Cap and go to an open Free Market system. Sign and keep players worth keeping and let the poor personnel evaluators over pay for those not worth huge deals, but no limit upon spending. That is how you test player evaluation. That is how you keep a team together and develop real relationships between the fans and the players. Otherwise, the players become mere commodities and would be collective bargainers debate endlessly which good players should go.

There's something very un American about this aspect of the NFL.

Obviously Osemele should stay, but this legal fiction we call a Salary Cap makes a debate like this go on and on. Heck Ozzie Newsome is losing at this salary cap game now, what makes anyone else think they know better how to work within this fiction.

Sign and keep players worth keeping? ... or rather watch all of our players that would be worth keeping go to large markets. 

 

Do you really want the MLB model? How's that working out for the Os? Enjoy Machado while we have him, cause he's going to soon be in NY, Bos, LA or CHI. 

 

No thanks. 

[ALPHA]

What bother me about Monroe is not only the injuries that have kept him out, but the fact that he cannot finish games. The fact that numerous amount of times, he is being taken out and not returning is a red-flag for me. That is more damning that any other players with a recent injury history here.

 

As a LT, I do believe he can play, but can he stay on the field? So far he has not proven he is able to. In Jacksonville he was able to stay on the field, here he cannot. If he goes to another team and plays the full 16 game slate then I will be convinced something is wrong with the staff here.

 

I believe we have the most players on IR but these are largely freak gameday injuries, our practice reports haven't been any worse than in previous years.

[PurpleCity5]

I believe we have the most players on IR but these are largely freak gameday injuries, our practice reports haven't been any worse than in previous years.

There is nothing you can do to prevent season-ending injuries besides taking care of your body. The medical staff cannot do anything about them. They just happen, that's all there is to it. They are freak accidents. 

[rmcjacket23]

There is nothing you can do to prevent season-ending injuries besides taking care of your body. The medical staff cannot do anything about them. They just happen, that's all there is to it. They are freak accidents. 

And the majority of the "taking care of your body" aspect falls directly on the players shoulders. 

 

Its really getting old when the fanbase starts blaming coaching for everything that goes wrong. Its almost like some fans hate holding players accountable for some reason.

[PurpleCity5]

And the majority of the "taking care of your body" aspect falls directly on the players shoulders. 

 

Its really getting old when the fanbase starts blaming coaching for everything that goes wrong. Its almost like some fans hate holding players accountable for some reason.

That is very true. Sometimes you just have to be responsible. Yeah, the staff can do things to help prevent injuries, its their job, but in the end, you cannot put the full blame on them if the players are not taking care of themselves.

[The Raven]

And the majority of the "taking care of your body" aspect falls directly on the players shoulders. 

 

Its really getting old when the fanbase starts blaming coaching for everything that goes wrong. Its almost like some fans hate holding players accountable for some reason.

 

It's just easier to blame one person instead of many. Blaming more than one factor is too complex for some people...

[rmcjacket23]

That is very true. Sometimes you just have to be responsible. Yeah, the staff can do things to help prevent injuries, its their job, but in the end, you cannot put the full blame on them if the players are not taking care of themselves.

Particularly when taking care of your body is a 365 day per year job, and I don't know a coach, trainer, etc. who is available to babysit you 365 days a year.

[Sami84]

look..KO can be our BIG FA signing

 

get everyone healthy

 

(change the strength and fitness regiem/coaches)

 

draft a WR 

 

Find a UDFA gem ( its about time ozzie..BART SCOTT THIS )

 

Our offense will be set. Honestly when healthy we will have a very good offense

 

the rest of the draft needs to be dedicated to the D.

Edited December 17, 2015 by Sami84