[News] What You Missed vs. Seahawks

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Another look at how Kelechi Osemele did in his first start at left tackle.

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[jravens13]

KO looking beastly at LT. We spent all this time and money trying to replace Ogden and the guy we needed was playing LG the whole time.  Brandon Williams better get a new contract.

Edited December 15, 2015 by jravens13

[HomeoftheBRAVENS]

Timmy threw his man to the ground in that last vine clip.I'm disappointed with the season he's been having.After his rookie season and seeing him workout with Dockett,I was expecting him to become a star this year with or without Suggs on the line with him.Maybe he'll become a star next year when he has Suggs,BW and Doom surrounding him on the line.It would also be nice if we could sign Ngata for a cheap contact so he can retire a raven and give us some depth on the D-line.

[balfan23]

Sorry, I love football but definitely not a football guy when it comes to Xs and Os.

 

On that "pick play" example - is it not a thing for players to call a switch? Having a basketball mentality, that's just what you do on a pick play - so it seems pretty similar. Otherwise, it seems like there is little hope to follow your guy and keep up with him.

 

Thought's from those who actually coached to play this game?

[ReginaldColeman1]

Basketball players pick up the man on the switch. But that's another story. Video of Patrick Peterson up on Stefon Diggs http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap3000000598848/Patrick-Peterson-vs-Stefon-Diggsshows how he dogged Diggs all game long. He used to his hands and never feet and never had to grab a jersey or cling onto him.

[balfan23]

KO looking beastly at LT. We spent all this time and money trying to replace Ogden and the guy we needed was playing LG the whole time.  Brandon Williams better get a new contract.

I know. At this point, it feels like all we're doing is showcasing his potential for the team that is going to pay him more money than we can afford. How great would it be if we had him under Monroe's contract and Monroe was somewhere other than in our infirmary? 

[HomeoftheBRAVENS]

We can kiss KO good bye.Wagner,Yanda,Zuttah,Urschel and Monroe will probably be our starting five next year.Urschel has been decent enough at the center position this year.I feel like he would play better at the guard position that he was actually drafted to play at.

Edited December 15, 2015 by HomeoftheBRAVENS

[Ravensfolyfe]

K.0. Looks great at LT.

[reed20fence]

Excited to retain Osemele as our franchise LT. If we part with Munroe (I like the guy, but it isn't working out) we take a 6.6mm hit in dead money each of the next 2 seasons but we free up 1.1mm in cap space. Top flight left tackles cost about $10mm a year. If we can lock him in for 9-10 mm that'd be aces!

In fact, heck, sit Joe Linta down and let him know that Joe's cap reduction has a direct correlation with tying down the guy that'll protect his client's blind side for the foreseeable future.

Edited December 15, 2015 by reed20fence

[ryananth]

We can kiss KO good bye.Wagner,Yanda,Zuttah,Urschel and Monroe will probably be our starting five next year.Urschel has been decent enough at the center position this year.I feel like he would play better at the guard position that he was actually drafted to play at.

 

It looks more likely we kiss Monroe goodbye and put KO at Left Tackle

[ryananth]

On the Brandon Williams blow up play also notice Timmy Jernigan literally folding up the center. We are going to be so great next year after this year of adversity. So hungry now we're starving!

[JoeyFlex5]

KO's backpedal looked a little forced and uncomfortable, maybe thats just because hes a very densely built guy and his motions just arent naturally fluid though, ill need to see more, and his nagging back injuries hes had over the years are cause for concern, but i love that were trying this out, i think hes got the potential, i dont think he'll be an elite pass protector no matter how many reps he gets, but i think he'll be a great tone setter and he should hold up well enough

[JoeyFlex5]

I know. At this point, it feels like all we're doing is showcasing his potential for the team that is going to pay him more money than we can afford. How great would it be if we had him under Monroe's contract and Monroe was somewhere other than in our infirmary? 

its a ploy to get a team to pay him starting LT money so we can get a 3rd round comp pick, that we use to trade up for the top OT next year sneaky sneaky

[Dorota]

On the Brandon Williams blow up play also notice Timmy Jernigan literally folding up the center. We are going to be so great next year after this year of adversity. So hungry now we're starving!

I love our front seven. We do miss Sizzle to help split up people between him and Doom, but apart from that, I'm happy with what I'm seeing. Jernigan is a mauler, has the power and he has some pretty neat highlights, I've noticed. He's also got the showman attitude you can love if you're a Raven at heart and will wind you up if you're an opponent. Only thing is, he has to get his temper under control, because when he doesn't, it's a flag and 15 yards. Earlier this season it was a VERY late hit on the QB and this week it was for retaliating and we all know it's generally the second guy that gets the flag - another 15 yards.

[TheConquerorWorm]

Sorry, I love football but definitely not a football guy when it comes to Xs and Os.

 

On that "pick play" example - is it not a thing for players to call a switch? Having a basketball mentality, that's just what you do on a pick play - so it seems pretty similar. Otherwise, it seems like there is little hope to follow your guy and keep up with him.

 

Thought's from those who actually coached to play this game?

The simple answer is "No". If you are playing man coverage, your man is your responsibility. The reason a switch works in basketball is because you have limited space. Imagine a basketball court 200' long. Your Center switches to the PG on a pick - think he can keep up with him for 100'? Now, playing in zone coverage, you switch. That play is almost undefendable when playing man coverage. In the "good old days" that's a penalty. Now, it's one of those gray areas (kinda like what is a catch?). That play is more on the legit side and executed perfectly. As a WR, I don't have to get directly in the way of the other CB, I want his teammate (the guy guarding me) to get in his way. That's why almost every team uses that play along with that "bubble screen" that you hear Gruden lamenting over every week.

[NCMan]

The simple answer is "No". If you are playing man coverage, your man is your responsibility. The reason a switch works in basketball is because you have limited space. Imagine a basketball court 200' long. Your Center switches to the PG on a pick - think he can keep up with him for 100'? Now, playing in zone coverage, you switch. That play is almost undefendable when playing man coverage. In the "good old days" that's a penalty. Now, it's one of those gray areas (kinda like what is a catch?). That play is more on the legit side and executed perfectly. As a WR, I don't have to get directly in the way of the other CB, I want his teammate (the guy guarding me) to get in his way. That's why almost every team uses that play along with that "bubble screen" that you hear Gruden lamenting over every week.

True, most teams do run that play rather well. Except the Ravens, of course. We can't seem to find a way to get a few yards to get a much needed first down to save our.....never mind. 4-12 pretty much says it. 

[Raven_Don]

Its actually not a foreign idea to swap receivers on crossing routes... the problem with that is it takes trust.. the problem is that they aren't accustomed to playing with each other... but I have seen secondaries swap receivers... the nickle takes any route breaking on the inside and the corner takes the out breaking route..but double moves kill that philosophy... prime example of this would be Juice big catch earlier in the season where he was the inside receiver breaking to the outside on what they thought was a drag route but it turned out to be a wheel route and he broke up the sideline for a huge gain...

[Zeus]

What do you need to do to get fired by thus organization? Pees has done everything wrong and us still here

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

Williams has been a BEAST all year long. He is a guy that Oz can build a strong d-line around for the next 10 years. If Oz can get K.O. signed and he can stay at LT that would be great for Joe and the offense.

[mearzunkies]

I like it ALSKAN RAVEN FAN. I like it!!

[Ravensfansince03]

What do you need to do to get fired by thus organization? Pees has done everything wrong and us still here

 

One thing I've noticed about Pees, is that most of the time he is up in the box. How can you establish a connection with the players in the heat of the moment when you are communicating through a headset...up above.

[Tenacious Faulker]

What do you need to do to get fired by thus organization? Pees has done everything wrong and us still here

This is just "joe six-pack" blame game finger pointing. No understanding of the game or the management of the team. Edited December 16, 2015 by Moderator 3
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[ReginaldColeman1]

Staying fixed to a man on man coverage sounds too inflexible. Zone basketball works best against certain plays if I follow what retired UConn head coach Jim Calhoun has to say about it. Given those ingredients if followed strictly u need a combination of ball players who are alert to the change up and a scheme which gives them that latitude. Of course u don't want to miss a man who breaks out uncovered. In other words there is always a defensive maneuver to protect your side flank as well as proposed deterrents in the event of a change in plans. I'm not addressing the pros and cons of man vs zone. I'll leave that to experts. But the addition of play making athletes who know the game well, who communicate, who get themselves in the right position and who play physically hard appears to be something they can work on. I'm not convinced they have the top flight players at this point. Nor am I convinced they are flexible in their planning to address the changes during a game. But when u define a system that is not capable of change on the fly u will leave yourself open to the offense which can basically fool you. If that weren't the case changing the defensive "look" before the hike wouldn't be a problem for inexperienced QB's. In any event they need both strong armed players with speed and brains. What we used to call someone who is a natural athlete. Someone like a Melo Trimble. But I respect the opinion of all. It takes more than coach speak to fix these issues.

[NCMan]

This is just "joe six-pack" blame game finger pointing. No understanding of the game or the management of the team.

I guess  w/you being the expert here, you get what 4-12 means. Also, you must be too busy to actually watch the games. 

[NCMan]

What do you need to do to get fired by thus organization? Pees has done everything wrong and us still here

He won't be w/the team next season and neither will Ozzie.

[jackrogers]

What we missed against the Seahawks is Joe Flacco, Steve Smith, Suggs, Forset, Perriman, Monroe, Zuttah, Pitta, etc, etc. Does anyone know why Arthur Brown isn't given an opportunity?

[balfan23]

What do you need to do to get fired by thus organization? Pees has done everything wrong and us still here

Patience grasshopper. I just don't envision us making in season moves. You can repost if we maintain the status quo going into the 2016 season. 

[SanDiegan Raven]

Hold on a second! I think we just gave the credit to the wrong player. Timmy Jernigan blew up the center and flung him to the side like a rag doll. Brandon Williams destroyed the guard and forced the RB back inside. Kudos to both!

[RavensDieHard21]

We need a reliable LT, Monroe is above average WHEN he plays. I always feel bad for injury prone talented players, but we can't afford our back up LTs getting chucked into our QB. Sign KO! Please for the love of God, He is entertaining to watch and have you ever stood next to him in person? He is mammoth.

[steelcityraven]

zues.... I agree with you.... Pees should have been gone a long time ago.... I have to believe that it is in the works however.... but it doesn't benefit us to tip our hand just yet. I believe we have our eyes on two potential candidates to be our next DC... both coaches are currently under contract with another team... but at the end of the season... I think we will pursue both and land one... and Pees will be sent packing. If not... I will be with you at Owning's Mills leading the protest!