Updated: Ravens Sign Ryan Mallett

[Virginia 55]

So let's pretend that we trade Joe Flacco for a 1st rounder and a 2nd rounder, and Ryan Mallett balls out as the starter. His contract is up at the end of the 2016 season. Do we give him the franchise QB money that he'll probably ask for and maybe get from another team, or do we look for another Ryan Mallett-type option? Hmm... 

In this scenario your trading Flacco for a 1st and second rounder?  I would hope that you are trading him for someone worth grooming at the QB position. If Mallett was to "ball out" as you say. He can decide whether to stay for less or go elsewhere.  

 

I'm not use to this as a Ravens Fan, where people leave for inflated deals at key positions. But this is life in the NFL.  I'm not concerned with players.  My concern is our team.  

 

Mallett  is only an attractive option based on his current contract and a few key passes that were actually pretty difficult throws.

He may or may not be the answer but after Joe's help left for San Fran and Smith went down. I'm amped to see what a Qb can do if he uses the whole field.

 

Instead of locking onto a receiver, Throwing jump balls in the middle of the field, Taking sacks when he can throw the ball away, Throwing off the back foot,  Turning the ball over, all of these are major concerns for a guy like Mallett just coming in.  Not an eight year starter.   

[The Raven]

In this scenario your trading Flacco for a 1st and second rounder?  I would hope that you are trading him for someone worth grooming at the QB position. If Mallett was to "ball out" as you say. He can decide whether to stay for less or go elsewhere.  

 

I'm not use to this as a Ravens Fan, where people leave for inflated deals at key positions. But this is life in the NFL.  I'm not concerned with players.  My concern is our team.  

 

Mallett  is only an attractive option based on his current contract and a few key passes that were actually pretty difficult throws.

He may or may not be the answer but after Joe's help left for San Fran and Smith went down. I'm amped to see what a Qb can do if he uses the whole field.

 

Instead of locking onto a receiver, Throwing jump balls in the middle of the field, Taking sacks when he can throw the ball away, Throwing off the back foot,  Turning the ball over, all of these are major concerns for a guy like Mallett just coming in.  Not an eight year starter.   

 

I'm not seeing a clear solution here. How do you just find another QB to put on the field? Where should we look? Can you better explain how we replace Joe and Mallett, while avoiding the QB carousel? There's something I'm missing.

[Virginia 55]

I'm not seeing a clear solution here. How do you just find another QB to put on the field? Where should we look? Can you better explain how we replace Joe and Mallett, while avoiding the QB carousel? There's something I'm missing.

If your trading Joe and Mallett, I would think that you already have a QB......lol

[OUravensfan]

this is what's so funny. It was an average game. I think emotions are a little high because it was the steelerssteelers and we may have knocked them out of the playoffs. If 275 yards and a td is the benchmark... I would suggest those people have higher standards

Yea I agree, what if he throws for 5TDs next week!

[usmccharles]

If your trading Joe and Mallett, I would think that you already have a QB......lol

how long have you been a Ravens fan? Do you not remember the time before Flacco? Qb is the most important position, you don't just "wing" it each year

[Moderator 3]

how long have you been a Ravens fan? Do you not remember the time before Flacco? Qb is the most important position, you don't just "wing" it each year

We could, but then we'd be the Browns.

[Virginia 55]

how long have you been a Ravens fan? Do you not remember the time before Flacco? Qb is the most important position, you don't just "wing" it each year

I remember Dilfer did.  Boller was a fail.  Mcnair was a beast. 

 

All Qb's are hit and miss.  Mallett is just another potential candidate. 

[The Raven]

If your trading Joe and Mallett, I would think that you already have a QB......lol

 

I remember Dilfer did.  Boller was a fail.  Mcnair was a beast. 

 

All Qb's are hit and miss.  Mallett is just another potential candidate. 

 

I'm not even sure what you're trying to argue anymore. You're complaining that Flacco is too costly and that Mallett is better bang for buck, yet you can't reasonably explain how we'd fill the QB spot if we somehow lost the two. When you complain about a problem without offering a possible solution, I get the feeling that you don't actually understand the problem you're complaining about. But I want to believe that you know what you're talking about, so, for the sake of intelligent discourse, could you please try to explain your scenario? 

[usmccharles]

We could, but then we'd be the Browns.

this. End thread.

[OUravensfan]

I remember Dilfer did. Boller was a fail. Mcnair was a beast.

All Qb's are hit and miss. Mallett is just another potential candidate.

McNair was not a beast, in fact he delivered the biggest choke in Ravens history. That was quite possibly our best team and he blew it, for all this Flacco isn't worth the money, McNair had the definition of pedestrian numbers that year and became a zombie in that playoff game. The following year MNF he started the game with 3 straight fumbles....In a row, no plays in between.

3000 yards, 16 TDs and 12INTs. All he had to do was score 16 points at home vs one of the worst defenses in the league, granted they were on a tear with Bob Sanders....16 points. Either that or the Cundiff game is the worst loss in Ravens history.

Edited December 30, 2015 by OUravensfan

[1/28/01]

Mallet is no Flacco.

He'll be a great backup and could easily start for a QB-needy team. That it, that's all. Unless we're all watching a different NFL in bizzaro world... Flacco has been, and will be the core of the Ravens. Joe has been money since his rookie season, and Mallet's sample-size is smaller than Clausen's head.

I try sooooo hard to not get into these conversations, then I see statements like the bolded part. He was money during a 4 game stretch and I'm super thankful for that. He has not been money since he entered the league.

[OUravensfan]

I try sooooo hard to not get into these conversations, then I see statements like the bolded part. He was money during a 4 game stretch and I'm super thankful for that. He has not been money since he entered the league.

He could probably be more consistent money if he has an AJ Green, Antonio Brown, Gronk or Dez Bryant to throw too. Just trying to stir the pot...

But seriously, he's been good enough to earn the right of franchise QB going forward and not have the prospect of being replaced by Mallet being entertained. I agree with Phil Simms, this is our best player, it took Pittsburgh a while, start building around him going forward. Joe Flacco gives us our best chance to win a Super Bowl, 2012 proved that, last year showed that too, let's not waste his prime.

[1/28/01]

He could probably be more consistent money if he has an AJ Green, Antonio Brown, Gronk or Dez Bryant to throw too. Just trying to stir the pot...

But seriously, he's been good enough to earn the right of franchise QB going forward and not have the prospect of being replaced by Mallet being entertained. I agree with Phil Simms, this is our best player, it took Pittsburgh a while, start building around him going forward. Joe Flacco gives us our best chance to win a Super Bowl, 2012 proved that, last year showed that too, let's not waste his prime.

Yes, I agree he is a franchise QB. He just hasn't been "money" since walking onto an NFL field and some of the other nonsense some say about him. He's good. Makes some very poor decisions at times, but he's good. Not great, though.

[GrimCoconut]

Aaron Rodgers hasn't looked very good this year and I've started to wonder how important Nelson was to their offense after they lost him. Joe never had a WR like Nelson and Aaron has struggled without him.

Obviously Flacco isn't Rodgers but maybe the whole "Joe does this and I dislike him for it" may actually be due to his WR more than people realize.

[Cville-Raven]

Aaron Rodgers hasn't looked very good this year and I've started to wonder how important Nelson was to their offense after they lost him. Joe never had a WR like Nelson and Aaron has struggled without him.

Obviously Flacco isn't Rodgers but maybe the whole "Joe does this and I dislike him for it" may actually be due to his WR more than people realize.

Joe having a left tackle this year would also have been nice

[flynismo]

Flacco holds a bazillion records, carried this team to a SB (thank Lee Evans for costing us back to back SB on Flacco's arm), had probably the greatest postseason run in history, has historically been sublime in the postseason, and along with Ryan is the very reason teams now put high expectations on rookie QBs and start them from day one. sounds like "money" to me

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

After reading this thread I am going to throw a Kylo Ren style temper tantrum. brb

 

 

So much foolishness. 

 

First off. "Flacco only had four good games to get his money". 

1. Not true. He's been good in the playoffs for awhile and is typically good for big games. Sure, he threw two ints vs the pats in the playoffs but also four TDs with a hobbled Torrey Smith, old man Steve Smith, old man Owen Daniels, going against Darrell Revis, Brandon Browner(who as a #2 CB is very good), and Devin McCourtey. 

 

But RYAN MALLET HAS ONLY HAD ONE GOOD GAME HERE. And that game was one where the Steelers dared him to throw. He played well. 

 

But I'll take Flacco any day of the week over him. 

 

2. You do understand how hard it is to come across franchise QBs right? Flacco has his flaws. He had a bad season for many reasons. Injuries along the oline predating/starting at the season. The offense didn't have as much firepower as expected because that fast WR we drafted in the first round went down with an injury(Which sorry Perriman haters. Defenses would have had to respect his speed. It does change the gameplan). And that stupid throwing off his back foot thing occasionally. 

 

But it's the same logic as firing Harbaugh. Sure, let's get rid of Flacco after a bad season. Brilliant! Let's set our Franchise back at least 5 years!  Not like it took us until 2008 to find a competent QB at all right? Guess the Cowboys should have cut Romo several seasons ago? How bout Eli Manning who's had worse seasons than Flacco and kept the job? 

 

Oh wait. Because that's stupid to give up on a QB after one horrible season? And that a QB needy team would jump on that like a starved Panther? 

 

Yes and Yes. Flacco, like Harbs would last 5 seconds on the open market before the Bengals, the niners, Browns, so on and so forth pick him up. 

 

Yeah no thanks. I'll keep Flacco. And he's easily here to stay. Franchise QBs do not grow on trees. Sorry guys

[allblackraven]

Aaron Rodgers hasn't looked very good this year and I've started to wonder how important Nelson was to their offense after they lost him. Joe never had a WR like Nelson and Aaron has struggled without him.

Obviously Flacco isn't Rodgers but maybe the whole "Joe does this and I dislike him for it" may actually be due to his WR more than people realize.

Nelson loss was huge. Apart from big plays, he used to make lots and lots of space and less coverage on Cobb, who hasn't looked himself this season. Adams regressed from his rookie year, too. Add to that fat boy Eddie's struggles.

 

Rodgers, much like Flacco, can't do it alone, surrounded by mediocrity.

[ravensdfan]

In this scenario your trading Flacco for a 1st and second rounder?  I would hope that you are trading him for someone worth grooming at the QB position. If Mallett was to "ball out" as you say. He can decide whether to stay for less or go elsewhere.  

 

I'm not use to this as a Ravens Fan, where people leave for inflated deals at key positions. But this is life in the NFL.  I'm not concerned with players.  My concern is our team.  

 

Mallett  is only an attractive option based on his current contract and a few key passes that were actually pretty difficult throws.

He may or may not be the answer but after Joe's help left for San Fran and Smith went down. I'm amped to see what a Qb can do if he uses the whole field.

 

Instead of locking onto a receiver, Throwing jump balls in the middle of the field, Taking sacks when he can throw the ball away, Throwing off the back foot,  Turning the ball over, all of these are major concerns for a guy like Mallett just coming in.  Not an eight year starter.   

You're not? Why not? We always groom them to watch most of them leave in FA for more money than Ozzie is willing to pay. Your first & most important clue that Flacco is worth every penny is right there: Ozzie hates to overpay.  Even Ray Lewis tested FA when his contract was up and Ozzie let him. Ozzie wouldn't overpay for Ray Lewis, so I guarantee Flacco isn't overpaid.

[flynismo]

So let's pretend that we trade Joe Flacco for a 1st rounder and a 2nd rounder

I would personally burn the castle down if that's all we got 

[usmccharles]

I try sooooo hard to not get into these conversations, then I see statements like the bolded part. He was money during a 4 game stretch and I'm super thankful for that. He has not been money since he entered the league.

I agree with you that he hasnt been "money" since day one, but no denying that next to Brady, he has been the best qb in the playoffs since hes came into the league. 

 

You're not? Why not? We always groom them to watch most of them leave in FA for more money than Ozzie is willing to pay. Your first & most important clue that Flacco is worth every penny is right there: Ozzie hates to overpay.  Even Ray Lewis tested FA when his contract was up and Ozzie let him. Ozzie wouldn't overpay for Ray Lewis, so I guarantee Flacco isn't overpaid.

It's clear Virginia has no idea what he's talking about if he's not used to us having guys leave for bigger contracts.  Hell, we cant even keep cordiantors.

[OUravensfan]

Flacco holds a bazillion records, carried this team to a SB (thank Lee Evans for costing us back to back SB on Flacco's arm), had probably the greatest postseason run in history, has historically been sublime in the postseason, and along with Ryan is the very reason teams now put high expectations on rookie QBs and start them from day one. sounds like "money" to me

After reading this thread I am going to throw a Kylo Ren style temper tantrum. brb

So much foolishness.

First off. "Flacco only had four good games to get his money".

1. Not true. He's been good in the playoffs for awhile and is typically good for big games. Sure, he threw two ints vs the pats in the playoffs but also four TDs with a hobbled Torrey Smith, old man Steve Smith, old man Owen Daniels, going against Darrell Revis, Brandon Browner(who as a #2 CB is very good), and Devin McCourtey.

But RYAN MALLET HAS ONLY HAD ONE GOOD GAME HERE. And that game was one where the Steelers dared him to throw. He played well.

But I'll take Flacco any day of the week over him.

2. You do understand how hard it is to come across franchise QBs right? Flacco has his flaws. He had a bad season for many reasons. Injuries along the oline predating/starting at the season. The offense didn't have as much firepower as expected because that fast WR we drafted in the first round went down with an injury(Which sorry Perriman haters. Defenses would have had to respect his speed. It does change the gameplan). And that stupid throwing off his back foot thing occasionally.

But it's the same logic as firing Harbaugh. Sure, let's get rid of Flacco after a bad season. Brilliant! Let's set our Franchise back at least 5 years! Not like it took us until 2008 to find a competent QB at all right? Guess the Cowboys should have cut Romo several seasons ago? How bout Eli Manning who's had worse seasons than Flacco and kept the job?

Oh wait. Because that's stupid to give up on a QB after one horrible season? And that a QB needy team would jump on that like a starved Panther?

Yes and Yes. Flacco, like Harbs would last 5 seconds on the open market before the Bengals, the niners, Browns, so on and so forth pick him up.

Yeah no thanks. I'll keep Flacco. And he's easily here to stay. Franchise QBs do not grow on trees. Sorry guys

Yea I agree with both of you, let's just hope he comes back healthy week 1 next year.

Edited December 30, 2015 by OUravensfan

[usmccharles]

Yea I agree with both of you, let's just hope he comes back healthy week 1 next year.

Didnt AP tear his ACL in like week 15 or something? I know AP is a physical freak and Joe isnt but, that gives us hope. 

[OUravensfan]

Didnt AP tear his ACL in like week 15 or something? I know AP is a physical freak and Joe isnt but, that gives us hope.

Yea he did, and then Terrance Brooks had a late season ACL/MCL tear with us and was back by training camp. Carson Palmer went down late last year with an ACL and is back and is playing well this year. There's hope for sure.

Edited December 30, 2015 by OUravensfan

[usmccharles]

Yea he did, and then Terrance Brooks had a late season ACL/MCL tear with us and was back by training camp. Carson Palmer went down late last year with an ACL and is back and is playing well this year. There's hope for sure.

Yea i think Joe is back and ready for TC.  Ill say it now i think he has the best season of his career next year....as long as we dont lose 50million to the IR

[K-Dog]

I read somewhere Joe is already riding the stationary bike.

That sound pretty remarkable to me.

[Virginia 55]

I'm not even sure what you're trying to argue anymore. You're complaining that Flacco is too costly and that Mallett is better bang for buck, yet you can't reasonably explain how we'd fill the QB spot if we somehow lost the two. When you complain about a problem without offering a possible solution, I get the feeling that you don't actually understand the problem you're complaining about. But I want to believe that you know what you're talking about, so, for the sake of intelligent discourse, could you please try to explain your scenario? 

Who loses two QB"s? Not worth discussing, and it's fantasy.

[usmccharles]

Who loses two QB"s? Not worth discussing, and it's fantasy.

We trade Joe, Mallet "balls out" (unlikely) then he wants more than we will pay him and wants to go to free agency...very possible in your world. 

[rmcjacket23]

We trade Joe, Mallet "balls out" (unlikely) then he wants more than we will pay him and wants to go to free agency...very possible in your world. 

Unless you are talking about 2017, Mallett is under contract with the Ravens for 2016. 

[usmccharles]

Unless you are talking about 2017, Mallett is under contract with the Ravens for 2016. 

Yes i was, because that means i would of been referring to him "ballin out" for a total of two games which i doubt any team would really jump all over.  Although, some members here are in love with him after one decent game.