First draft altering event: Nkdemiche Marijuana Possession

[Purple Punishment]

So it begins...

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000601396/article/ole-miss-robert-nkemdiche-charged-with-marijuana-possession

[JoeyFlex5]

WOW! We were JUST talking about the possibility of him falling to trade up range lmao

[Deflated Football]

Hello second round pick!!!

[JoeyFlex5]

With the 112th pick of the 2016 nfl draft, the Baltimore ravens select... Nkemdiche

[PurpleCity5]

WOW! I Really hope we can get Bosa and Nkem back-to-back. How sick would that be?

[Deflated Football]

WOW! I Really hope we can get Bosa and Nkem back-to-back. How sick would that be?

Him, Bosa, Sizz, Doom, B-Will, Jernigan and Upshaw (if we retain him) would mask a lot of our secondary issues if we wouldn't add anyone in the offseason. If he's there for us in the second, I don't see how you NOT take him.

[JoeyFlex5]

Let's be real guys unless it happens again, he's not falling THAT far

[JO_75]

So it begins...

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000601396/article/ole-miss-robert-nkemdiche-charged-with-marijuana-possession

 

So what your saying is there's a good chance he gets drafted by Denver or Seattle? 

[GrimCoconut]

Man, what a great thing, but I don't know if it means he falls to us in the 2nd or not. It sounds almost absurd to imagine, but then again, we've seen this same movie before and saw how it goes. This movie also produced numerous sequels.  I think I will wait until we get closer to the premiere. I need to watch some trailers!

 

Now that my analogy is over, weed is a tough one. It's not the stigma it used to be, but we saw Randy Gregory drop hard because of it. We also witnessed Justin Houston fall because of it. I'm not sure which he will be, but it's hard to say. We took Jernigan and even Jimmy Smith. Jimmy Smith had a different situation, however, since his transgressions were mostly years behind him.

[JoeyFlex5]

Man, what a great thing, but I don't know if it means he falls to us in the 2nd or not. It sounds almost absurd to imagine, but then again, we've seen this same movie before and saw how it goes. This movie also produced numerous sequels.  I think I will wait until we get closer to the premiere. I need to watch some trailers!

 

Now that my analogy is over, weed is a tough one. It's not the stigma it used to be, but we saw Randy Gregory drop hard because of it. We also witnessed Justin Houston fall because of it. I'm not sure which he will be, but it's hard to say. We took Jernigan and even Jimmy Smith. Jimmy Smith had a different situation, however, since his transgressions were mostly years behind him.

gregory was more than just an incident of getting caught though, gregory is an obvious headcase, the jury is out on nkemdiche though. gregory pretty much just straight up said he wasnt gonna quit smoking, im also 99% sure he was high as a kite AT the draft. gregory fell hard because he is a troubled individual and i think its gonna rear its ugly head on him at some point, cowboys got good value there though

[GrimCoconut]

gregory was more than just an incident of getting caught though, gregory is an obvious headcase, the jury is out on nkemdiche though. gregory pretty much just straight up said he wasnt gonna quit smoking, im also 99% sure he was high as a kite AT the draft. gregory fell hard because he is a troubled individual and i think its gonna rear its ugly head on him at some point, cowboys got good value there though

Yeah, I know that. I was just using an example of a player with marijuana issues. Who knows what happens between now and the draft. Maybe Robert goes on TV and starts advertising for marijuana companies? Lol, it could happen. 

 

I'm just saying a lot can change and we have no idea what'll happen. I would love to have him here, though. If we got him in the 2nd round and a guy like Bosa or Tunsil in the first, I think that would be a killer draft. Somehow land Thompson or Bell in the 3rd and we just upgraded the defense.

[balfan23]

Man, what a great thing, but I don't know if it means he falls to us in the 2nd or not. It sounds almost absurd to imagine, but then again, we've seen this same movie before and saw how it goes. This movie also produced numerous sequels.  I think I will wait until we get closer to the premiere. I need to watch some trailers!

 

Now that my analogy is over, weed is a tough one. It's not the stigma it used to be, but we saw Randy Gregory drop hard because of it. We also witnessed Justin Houston fall because of it. I'm not sure which he will be, but it's hard to say. We took Jernigan and even Jimmy Smith. Jimmy Smith had a different situation, however, since his transgressions were mostly years behind him.

Right - it isn't the stigma it used to be. However, what causes concern ... isn't so much the weed ... it is the circumstances. The business about busting out his hotel window, climbing onto a ledge and then falling and being found unconscious on the ground ... that's a concern. 

 

Can't help but think of Kindle. Dude could have screwed himself up pretty good with that stunt. 

[JoeyFlex5]

Yeah, I know that. I was just using an example of a player with marijuana issues. Who knows what happens between now and the draft. Maybe Robert goes on TV and starts advertising for marijuana companies? Lol, it could happen. 

 

I'm just saying a lot can change and we have no idea what'll happen. I would love to have him here, though. If we got him in the 2nd round and a guy like Bosa or Tunsil in the first, I think that would be a killer draft. Somehow land Thompson or Bell in the 3rd and we just upgraded the defense.

if the ravens could nab nkemdiche in the 2nd it would be the steal of the century, thats the long and short of it. it wont happen unless something else happens to ruin his stock though, the real question is, where is the trade-up cutoff point for us? when do all other possible prospects get taken and where does nkemdiche have to fall for us to sell the house to get him? moving up from 35th overall to say, 22nd overall, what do we give? our 2nd and 3rd and maybe a 2nd next year? i just cant imagine him falling to the 2nd round unless he goes on record saying something ridiculous like "its only weed, no big deal, sue me". if he plays this smart then he is still probably a lock for top 25

[GrimCoconut]

if the ravens could nab nkemdiche in the 2nd it would be the steal of the century, thats the long and short of it. it wont happen unless something else happens to ruin his stock though, the real question is, where is the trade-up cutoff point for us? when do all other possible prospects get taken and where does nkemdiche have to fall for us to sell the house to get him? moving up from 35th overall to say, 22nd overall, what do we give? our 2nd and 3rd and maybe a 2nd next year? i just cant imagine him falling to the 2nd round unless he goes on record saying something ridiculous like "its only weed, no big deal, sue me". if he plays this smart then he is still probably a lock for top 25

Are you sure of this? Justin Houston fell to the 3rd round because of marijuana and Jernigan fell to the second round because of it as well. You'll argue, and rightly so, that Jernigan fell due to the combine results. The problem with that is that this is also a pretty stupid set of circumstances that could cause teams to likely question him with greater scrutiny. He already had character concerns regarding his work ethic, but now these just add to the pot.

[Sami84]

Said this before and I'll say it again ..i think this guy is a bust. 

 

i wouldnt want him regardless.

[GrimCoconut]

Said this before and I'll say it again ..i think this guy is a bust. 

 

i wouldnt want him regardless.

No? Not even in the second round? I think he could do well in the McPhee role. 

[Cillmatic]

If he's not gonna be really good I don't want to draft him high. Rather draft a need.

[JoeyFlex5]

Are you sure of this? Justin Houston fell to the 3rd round because of marijuana and Jernigan fell to the second round because of it as well. You'll argue, and rightly so, that Jernigan fell due to the combine results. The problem with that is that this is also a pretty stupid set of circumstances that could cause teams to likely question him with greater scrutiny. He already had character concerns regarding his work ethic, but now these just add to the pot.

thats true i havent been factoring in those concerns, now that you put it that way it actually does seem likely, even if its minor, those concerns being present, added to one stupid behavioral situation and then adding a weed bust, that shows a pattern of behavior, and that is all a team needs to write a player off

[Sami84]

No? Not even in the second round? I think he could do well in the McPhee role. 

 

nope. terrible football IQ.

 

I'm not into low IQ football players ( like perriman)

[Sami84]

also not that dominant when i see him. a guy with this athletic gifts at college level should be doing a lot more than a measly 3.5 sacks.

[GrimCoconut]

nope. terrible football IQ.

I'm not into low IQ football players ( like perriman)

What makes you say his football iq is low? I haven't seen a ton of his games but I've seen a decent sample from this year to think he looks good but just hasn't finished much this year. I'd like to hear your take

[Sami84]

What makes you say his football iq is low? I haven't seen a ton of his games but I've seen a decent sample from this year to think he looks good but just hasn't finished much this year. I'd like to hear your take

 

doesnt have good awarness at the line. lets plays run away from him. He just doesnt have 'it''. He's as athletic as they come..but that doesnt mean much without awareness and ability to read plays..even simple ones in his position.

[GrimCoconut]

doesnt have good awarness at the line. lets plays run away from him. He just doesnt have 'it''. He's as athletic as they come..but that doesnt mean much without awareness and ability to read plays..even simple ones in his position.

So you think he's slow to react? Do you think he can rush the passer? Sounds like he'd have issues stopping the run from what you said but what about pass rush

[JoeyFlex5]

i agree with what sami says to an extent, i see the same issues but i think he will still be utterly dominant on 3rd down, would barely even need an OLB to rush if you have nkemdiche at 5 tech

[arnie_uk]

Charlie from Walter football has heard scouts think the same thing. He doesn't know what he's doing.

[sflegend89]

Didn't Jernigan test positive at the combine for weed? I know it's not the same as getting arrested for possession but it really didn't hurt Jernigan that bad. He was projected late 1st/early 2nd before he tested positive and we got him middle of the 2nd. Probably dropped 10-15 spots because of it.

 

Nkemdiche does seem like a knucklehead and I do expect him to drop but nothing drastic. This is a guy who is considered a top 5 talent at a valuable position, could be the next Suh. I think he will end up like Marcus Peters where people speculate he will fall out of the 1st round but ultimately get picked in the 15-20 range because the talent is just too much to pass up.

[JoeyFlex5]

Didn't Jernigan test positive at the combine for weed? I know it's not the same as getting arrested for possession but it really didn't hurt Jernigan that bad. He was projected late 1st/early 2nd before he tested positive and we got him middle of the 2nd. Probably dropped 10-15 spots because of it.

 

Nkemdiche does seem like a knucklehead and I do expect him to drop but nothing drastic. This is a guy who is considered a top 5 talent at a valuable position, could be the next Suh. I think he will end up like Marcus Peters where people speculate he will fall out of the 1st round but ultimately get picked in the 15-20 range because the talent is just too much to pass up.

Im not 100% positive here and i dont feel like looking it up, but im pretty sure jernigan just gave a diluted test and didnt take another, diluted can be because of overhydrating for training, or it could be used for masking, we'll never really know i guess.

[sflegend89]

Im not 100% positive here and i dont feel like looking it up, but im pretty sure jernigan just gave a diluted test and didnt take another, diluted can be because of overhydrating for training, or it could be used for masking, we'll never really know i guess.

 

Yeah that's right it was a diluted test.. but I think many teams inferred that as a probable positive marijuana test.

 

Will be interesting to see what happens with Nkemdiche's draft stock as we near closer to the draft. The combine interviews will be a huge factor in where he get's picked, if he pulls a Randy Gregory and absolutely bombs his interviews he could actually fall out of the 1st. I feel like teams are more willing to put stuff like this aside if they like the player and see it as immaturity rather than just being a knucklehead (Like we did with Jernigan).

[Sizzlebshu]

Can we stop using crap like Jernigan's drop as a comparison. That draft class had first round picks being taken in rounds 3 and 4. That's how loaded it was meaning that stupidity like a drug test falling made a ton of difference as there was other quality talent with less risk. 

 

Randy Gregory is probably a more appropriate comparison for Nkemdiche. 

[Purple Punishment]

The real question is if we go with Bosa in the first round and Robert is sitting there when we drifted around two, do we take a chance on him? Or do we address the CB position

Edited December 15, 2015 by Purple Punishment