[News] John Harbaugh On Pass Defense Performance: 'It Was Bad'

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John Harbaugh On Pass Defense Performance: ‘It Was Bad’

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[bluehen]

They play good against cellar dwellers but don't even show up when there is a quality QB.

[Drew P]

Luckily Willson dropped an easy 6 or it would have been even uglier

[eek]

Im not sure if jimmy smith has recovered from his foot injury, this is not the same guy from last season or the season prior. I thought Kendrick Lewis would've been an upgrade but Stewart and Hill combo last year was far better. We need a new FS and whole new CB group aside smith for obvious reasons.

[DenverRaven]

Jimmy is not healthy, Webb plays better at S, but then keeps being moved to the outside. Arrington and Lewis just can't seem to keep up. Half the secondary is out of position. Hill is still good.

Pees needs to be removed the day after the final whistle.

[Ravensfansince03]

Well this is a bad pass defense that Harbaugh put together.

[stixfix69]

I don't even know where to start with the secondary play....yes it was that bad.........

[Ravensfansince03]

Don't criticize Webb & Smith. We all know and have seen what they are capable of. The problem is the safety position. But if you know nothing about X's and O's, you wouldn't understand. Regardless, this is something that the coaches should have noticed in practice.

[spitfire418]

Terrence Brooks..................................

[fusuymada]

Well this is a bad pass defense that Harbaugh put together.

You do know that Ozzie Newsome is the General Manager and is responsible for the roster.  Harbaugh has input just the same as the scouts and coordinators and others involved in the process but ultimately when Ozzie closes the door and makes his choices, it is on him.  Harbaugh did not sign Jimmy Smith, Lardarius Webb and Will Hill to extensions and he didn't sign Kyle Arrington, Kendrick Lewis and Shareece Wright.  People want to fire Harbaugh, they want to fire Pees, they even want to fire Trestman when he is coordinator of the 11th ranked offense in the NFL.  The want to fire Ozzie, they question what DeCosta is doing, the even are criticizing our scouting staff.  I guess my question is, why are some of these complainers Ravens fans?  Is it because they are physically located in Baltimore or what?  It certainly isn't because they support their team unconditionally.  These poor fans who had 6 out of 7 playoff appearances would probably be basket cases if they lived in Oakland or Cleveland.  The are Flacco bashers until they had Schaub, now the Flacco bashers have disappeared.  Hopefully the Harbaugh bashers wont get another coach who goes 3-13 for 6 straight seasons then wish they had him back.  There is no question in anybody's mind that the Ravens will be back in contention next year and they will have learned a lot from this year.

[Ravensfansince03]

They play good against cellar dwellers but don't even show up when there is a quality QB.

 

Yep, another 5 TD day is going down in the books against our Ravens defense. Harbaugh and this sorry bunch of guys are singlehandedly tarnishing the tradition of defense we had going here. Its not Harbaugh alone, but he is the one who promoted Dean Pees, released Pollard, didn't give Daniel Brown an opportunity until the season was done, and a lot of misevaluating players worth and production. I really think that Coach Harbaugh...as disciplined a man he is.....lacks the ability to connect with these players.  

[Ravensfansince03]

You do know that Ozzie Newsome is the General Manager and is responsible for the roster.  Harbaugh has input just the same as the scouts and coordinators and others involved in the process but ultimately when Ozzie closes the door and makes his choices, it is on him.  Harbaugh did not sign Jimmy Smith, Lardarius Webb and Will Hill to extensions and he didn't sign Kyle Arrington, Kendrick Lewis and Shareece Wright.  . 

 

Bro, I promise you, Harbaugh has the last say on who he wants on his roster. Look at Phili, Coach Chip Kelly cut a lot of their players.

 

Look at every coordinator that we let go to become a head coach, they all took some players from our roster with them.

 

Kubiak - Owen Daniels

Pagano - Arthur Jones, and somebody else  I cant remember

 

You think Bill Belichick doesn;t have say on who stays on his roster and who goes.

 

But yea, the head coach does have a lot of pull when it comes to the final roster. Remember it was Harbaugh that cut Pollard, and Pierce, although Pierce was not productive.

 

Being that Harbaugh spends the most time with the players, and basically does everything with them, it wouldn't make sense if Ozzie was the one cutting and bringing in players. Ozzie's main job is to supervise Harbaugh, and give him pointers on things he can do better or change.

 

Trust me, I played Football, not on an NFL level though lol, but the ultimate decision is made by the Head Coach. If people think that the Head Coach has become incompetent, then it is the manager that fires him and brings in someone else. And it is the owner that dishes out the money. If the owner thinks that the manager is making poor decisions, then it is up to the owner to fire the manager.

 

Chain of command

Edited December 14, 2015 by Ravensfansince03

[TheRavengers]

The pass defense wasn't bad, it was horrendous.

[ittwasntme]

terrance brooks should start at FS the rest of the year, we spent a number 2 on him he has the hitting, closing speed, and eyes to read a qb to play the position, but it all comes down to the fact money talks way more over skill and more money is invested into lewis then brooks

[Ravensfan4life2010]

Bro, I promise you, Harbaugh has the last say on who he wants on his roster. Look at Phili, Coach Chip Kelly cut a lot of their players.

 

Look at every coordinator that we let go to become a head coach, they all took some players from our roster with them.

 

Kubiak - Owen Daniels

Pagano - Arthur Jones, and somebody else  I cant remember

 

You think Bill Belichick doesn;t have say on who stays on his roster and who goes.

 

But yea, the head coach does have a lot of pull when it comes to the final roster. Remember it was Harbaugh that cut Pollard, and Pierce, although Pierce was not productive.

 

Being that Harbaugh spends the most time with the players, and basically does everything with them, it wouldn't make sense if Ozzie was the one cutting and bringing in players. Ozzie's main job is to supervise Harbaugh, and give him pointers on things he can do better or change.

 

Trust me, I played Football, not on an NFL level though lol, but the ultimate decision is made by the Head Coach. If people think that the Head Coach has become incompetent, then it is the manager that fires him and brings in someone else. And it is the owner that dishes out the money. If the owner thinks that the manager is making poor decisions, then it is up to the owner to fire the manager.

 

Chain of command

 

But A. jones was drafted. the credit goes to the scouts, and general manager. Owen Daniels was signed because we didn't have a TE.

Also chip Kelly I believe is the head of that department as well he is the ozzie Newsome in philly.

Ozzie main job is to look for players that fit the system and see how much he can get them for. John Harbaugh and his coordinators dictate the system. Is up to Ozzie and Eric to see what players fit the system and sign not John.

Pollard was not able to hold his own as a safety his pass coverage skills are worse than will hill and Kendrick Lewis.

[Ravensfan4life2010]

We have to fire Dan Pees, his scheme is setting up the players not to play to their full potential

[EliteRavens]

Its been like this since week 2

[reed20fence]

I look forward to all the fans providing critical analysis of the secondary moves this offseason. Cuz as far as I can recall the majority of us, just like the front office, saw a decent safety in Kendrick Lewis when we signed him. He was certainly seen as an upgrade over Matt Elam. Just this September Will Hill graded out as the highest ranked safety by PFF. It was a foregone conclusion that Jimmy would pickup where he left off as a probowl calibre cover guy. We thought if Webby could make it past camp healthy, which he did, we'd be gold, and then everyone got excited that we topped it off by signing Arrington to cover the slot.

I honestly don't recall a single Ravens fan going against the collective euphoria and saying that Ozzie didn't have a clue what he was doing when he put this secondary toghether.

Bad stuff happens sometimes and it's out of your control. No one plans a roster with the assumption that their key roleplayers will have season ending injuries at the start of the season. And if for some weird clairvoyant reason they do want to plan for that contingency, the salary cap prevents them from being too well prepared.

You take the heart and soul and a former defensive MVP, 50% of the most prolific pass duo from last year, out of the equation, and you see what we see.

The hawks blowout was a statistical anomaly. The real question should be how were these guys so competitive the rest of the season?

Yes, other teams have injuries too, but no one this year, NOT A SINGLE ONE, lost as many players of high caliber as we did this year.

Edited December 14, 2015 by reed20fence

[ittwasntme]

Pees bend dont break system blows been saying it for last 3 years

[burnbigben]

The most frustrating thing was the hawks kept running the same plays on 3rd down and the D never made any adjustments. 3rd down and short - rub route to the flat, 3rd and long - baldwind on a bunch combo crossing route.. over and over.. Our playcalling sticking with man cover and our players failing to diagnose and react to this was the worst part.

[The Greek]

every secondary coach must be replaced at seasons end. we need a fiery def coord.

[burnbigben]

The seahawks are far from a great offense but we certainly made them look that way

[Maryland]

Shareece Wright was getting targeted every other down it seemed. And just when I thought he might have become a viable #2. I would still like him back next year as decent depth, however.

[BillyD]

It was bad. Gee, John. Really? Thanks Captain Obvious. We lack shut down talent, so we can't man up. Webby, as much as I love him, got burned in one-on-one situations continually, and the DC just continually leaves him on an island. Let's not forget against Miami it was Webby that got beat to the inside on the sole TD pass, no help over the top. It's pretty frustrating that we have a lack of playmakers and, IMHO, a lack of coaching ability. I kept saying over the past several weeks when everyone was lauding the D, look who we are playing...not exactly the upper echelon of the NFL. And with that said, we went 2-2 in our last 4...losing to Miami and Jacksonville. It's been an ugly season folks. Not sure what the silver lining is, or if there even is one. Time will tell, I suppose.

[leroy31]

shareece gave up 7/9 targets for receptions, and webb gave up 77 yards himself.

[ibleedpurpleandblack]

No Harbs, the fact that we played non playoff teams was the reason our defense cleaned up. Against all playoff teams they haven't been able to stop getting torched. Personnel changes need to take place and it starts with Pees!

[krnraven]

The whole secondary needs to be revamped. Cut them all loose. Especially K Lewis and Webby. They are liabilities.

[Black&purple#55]

every secondary coach must be replaced at seasons end. we need a fiery def coord.

 

Agreed, I will take Chuck Pagano or Jim Scwartz 

[heycuf]

I understand we got bit by the injury bug real bad.But the bug didn't bite the coaches so what's the excuse when you put the next man up and he ain't prepared?As I'm watching these games I'm noticing that we have alot of guys on the field that don't play until the whistle.On offense some of the lineman make one block and stop,receivers run the basic route and stop.On defense,the front 4 barely make penetration into the backfield and when they do the QB or running back shakes them like they're nothing,the defensive backfield has no communication and half the time look like their lost and can't tackle let alone defend the pass. I've seen better defensive intelligence in the college games than I have watching the Ravens.And why are we so pass happy? With the running backs we have I don't know why none of them have posted a 100 yd.game this year.To me it goes back to coaching,Mr.Ozzie is still finding the raw talent he's been finding for years.It just seems like there is no progressive instructions or mentoring on this team to fine tune the raw talent anymore.

[salamander]

I never thought I would see the day that our defense could be downright embarrassing to watch, in particular the secondary yesterday. The long standing, proud defensive reputation of the Ravens has disappeared. It is sad to acknowledge that fact and I hope that the FO is ready to take whatever tough measures are necessary to return the Ravens to being a dominant defensive force in the league. Yes, maybe Baltimore fans are spoiled with a terrific defense for all these years but I won't be a happy camper until the Ravens elevate the defense back to at least respectability and from there, hopefully return to top notch form. The team and the fans deserve better than what we have seen this year from our secondary. Whether the problem is the DC, the position coaches and/or the players, we can't go in to next year expecting more bandaids to fix a situation which has become a gaping, oozing wound.

Edited December 14, 2015 by salamander