[News] Late For Work 12/14: 6 Takeaways From Ravens-Seahawks Game That Have Future Implications

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Clausen upgrade over Schaub. Secondary vulnerable. No. 1 pick. Carroll stands on lockers. Hair tackle.

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[Ravensfan4life2010]

I wanted Joe Flacco to be healthy just to see him not give a single care in the world who Richard Sherman is and throw the ball his way. That's what I like about Joe he throws it against every other teams top cb which is awesome. Rather take Clausen over Schuab. Osemele looks solid in the left tackle, but Ryan Jesnen looks like Marshall Yanda on the LG position looks like him but play is not close to him. But with time we can say we have another solid OL.

Trestman next year will have a better year because we might have better WR's hoefully

[iluvpurple]

I still believe we are a better offense than defense right now...... While we may need a few changes on offense, we need a major change with defense. The mostly young, inexperiened offense that is playing now with all our very capable veterans out, shows signs of working well together, and being really good going forward, while our mish-mash of mostly veteran defensive players seems to take a step back every week...... But as always, just my opinion.....

[TheRavengers]

I went into the game expecting something of a fight between 2 teams, even with our team looking like a hospital. What I got was a blowout loss and our entire defense tortured.

[Dorota]

Keep KO! He's the type of guy you want to have your back.

[DenverRaven]

Some of the coaching staff needs to go. This team has struggled to find an identity all season. Let's find one before week 1, 2016.

[crazyboutravens]

All we need in the draft is really simple. SPEED AND TALENT. Jimmy and Ladarius where are you going to be playing next year.

[Purple Hazard]

Let Clausen start for the rest of the season. Seems he got the stronger arm. Not much else to say about the last game but our young WRs are beginning to look pretty solid. Aiken, Butler and Brown made some nice plays. I especially like Brown. He looks like a TE playing WR. Just give them playing time to evaluate them for next season.

[Ravensfan4life2010]

I think Jimmy is still nursing that foot

[Drew P]

Clausen is an upgrade over Scab.

Lockett is a stud

Pees is clueless.

The secondary is subject to a complete overhaul.

Butler and Brown are gonna be a nice # 3-4 WR

Trestman isn't the issue

[stixfix69]

I just feel Pees has coached scared in so many games, and that may be do to all the injuries, but if you want your players to play with the next up mentality, you have to coach the same....If you don't put pressure on a hot QB like Wilson has been over the last 4 weeks, he will pick your secondary apart if you give him time.....Our secondary does not have the talent to hold down the coverage for the amount of time he had back there....

[bioLarzen]

"He (Dan Brown) nearly put up his first career touchdown in the fourth quarter"

 

Oh, he already has. True, it was incorrectly called back, but to me it counts as a TD - because it was

[757RavensFan]

Clausen is an upgrade over Scab.

Lockett is a stud

Pees is clueless.

The secondary is subject to a complete overhaul.

Butler and Brown are gonna be a nice # 3-4 WR

Trestman isn't the issue

 

+100. Last year w/ Kubiak (who everyone loved) we were ranked 12th in total offense.   Before yesterday's game we were ranked 11th in total offense.  So our offense is actually ranked higher than last year but everyone wants to blame Trestman, huh???  

Edited December 14, 2015 by 757RavensFan

[MadMaxDj]

STIXFIX69 only problem with your statement...except for Suggs, who else is injured on the defense???

[bioLarzen]

This season - and especially the second half and yesterday - was a good occasion for a little reality check. Here's two notions:

 

1.) All of the Flacco bashers now got a little teaser of how it looks without him...

 

2.) Yesterday's game was simply sad to see... how it was like a Super Bowl contender was playing v a high school team... but now just imagine what it means to be a Browns- or Titans-fan... when you get this most of the time...

 

Man, there are strange ways of masochism...

[stixfix69]

MadMaxDJ, well...we have gone through some CB's...Some do to injuries, and others cut do to bad play....I think in one game we had Brooks play the nickle spot because we ran out of healthy CB's....Canty was out for a bit, and is probably gone for the season, Davis for some reason has been shelved...

[gabrielgrissom]

I just feel Pees has coached scared in so many games, and that may be do to all the injuries, but if you want your players to play with the next up mentality, you have to coach the same....If you don't put pressure on a hot QB like Wilson has been over the last 4 weeks, he will pick your secondary apart if you give him time.....Our secondary does not have the talent to hold down the coverage for the amount of time he had back there....

I thought the exact thing from the eye test yesterday... these last 4 games we have been playing cover 2 and 1 real well with agressive play within the first 5 yards... then yesterday he wants to back everyone up 10 yards from the line of scrimmage and make sure we dont get beat... which i absolutely hate because we get beat anyway its like pees doesnt even watch the film... hes gotta man up and put some belief in this secondary or it wont amount to anything... it showed yesterday that we still cant play off coverage... Well lets just put it this way... dean pees needs to go period its time to put a end to him

[Fastynart]

Unfortunately the Ravens have a long way to go to be competetive. Ok, injuries have decimated what was left of them, but poor drafts and lack of leadership have done the Ravens in long before the injury bug hit. If you remember, the Ravens were losing before the injuries became overwhelming so stop with the crap about injuries being the problem. It only added to the underlying problems.

[gabrielgrissom]

I just feel Pees has coached scared in so many games, and that may be do to all the injuries, but if you want your players to play with the next up mentality, you have to coach the same....If you don't put pressure on a hot QB like Wilson has been over the last 4 weeks, he will pick your secondary apart if you give him time.....Our secondary does not have the talent to hold down the coverage for the amount of time he had back there....

And it really sucks and confuses me because we for the most part have above average safety play... but he just doesnt want to believe in us or our defense... the problem is not these player anymore its pees

[RailBird]

Just let Clausen start the final 3 games. He looked really comfortable considering the circumstances and played a surprisingly solid game. He showed good pocket awareness, made adjustments and completed some difficult passes against a very good defense. Sure, he threw an interception, but also stayed cool while setting up a field goal before time expired in the first half. Might as well use the next 3 games against some of the better teams to evaluate his possibilities as a backup for next season. He definitely didn't look worse than Schaub.

Edited December 14, 2015 by RailBird

[gabrielgrissom]

Unfortunately the Ravens have a long way to go to be competetive. Ok, injuries have decimated what was left of them, but poor drafts and lack of leadership have done the Ravens in long before the injury bug hit. If you remember, the Ravens were losing before the injuries became overwhelming so stop with the crap about injuries being the problem. It only added to the underlying problems.

I disagree with this... We have all the talent that we need... we just need better defensive coaching from top to bottom... yea we were losing games but it was because we have no one to rush the passer and a terrible defensive makeup in the back end and as linebackers we have missed too many tackles and have underperformed on the d-line... I believe with more cutbacks involved with zone scheme running... and a better coaching effort on the defensive side of the ball... I truly believe we can be a top team next year

[bioLarzen]

It must be me, but I don't see how being able to retain KO as a left tackle would be in any way more probable a scenario than being able to afford him as a guard.. if anything, it seems even more unlikely, as LT's are much more expensive. And that doesn't even include the 6.6M in dead money cutting Monroe would create.

[stixfix69]

As far as Monroe is concerned, hasn't his missed games amounted to more than 6.6 in dead money? Might as well be dead money, as he can't stay healthy....

[bioLarzen]

I was always a prime defender of Pees, but this time I think sacking him could be a much more easier to explain decision than before. However, one last thought: it's OK that everyone's obsessed with him,m as he is the head of the unit - but how much do we know about the heads of the sub-units? How much do we know about how good the secondary's coaches are, for example? I don't see our defensive woes as the result of bad schemes and playbook problems. I can't help noticing that it's routinely the secondary that lets us down, even when not depleted like last sesaon... I would much sooner focus on the secondary coaching staff first...

[bioLarzen]

As far as Monroe is concerned, hasn't his missed games amounted to more than 6.6 in dead money? Might as well be dead money, as he can't stay healthy....

 

Yeah, we can't have thet 6.6M back, no matter whether or not he's on the roster. So, I guess he'll only be cut if the FO doesn't see any reason to hope he could be any more than a scarce occurrence on the field.

[stixfix69]

J.Smith should refund some of that big contract he signed....He looks more like a #3 or #4 CB, because he isn't a shutdown CB.....

[salamander]

The Ravens were served a heaping helping of humble pie yesterday. A blow out this bad should strip away any illusion that we are only a few healthy players short of being in contention. Getting dominated in so many ways will hopefully result in actually making far more significant changes in the off season, ranging from players to coaches etc.. The only silver lining to that beat down is that it will lead to an even deeper and more open evaluation of what changes must be made if we realistically expect to rebound next year. In particular, start with a cold, hard look  at the DC position and also re-evaluate the position coaches, not just totally blame the players.

Edited December 14, 2015 by salamander

[stixfix69]

IMO....We ate more than humble pie, we ate the pie dish as well....Horrible defensive game plan, Horrible tackling, Horrible pass rush...No running game, and if it weren't for some acrobatic catches by Aiken, and Brown, we would of had no passing game....ST played well though....

[chuchu707]

daniel brown and jeremy butler are keepers

[MadMaxDj]

I completely agree with Bio on the secondary coach faults...

I mean...EVERY FREAKING DB that comes and plays for us either dramatically regresses to lackluster play or simply wanders around the field like he doesn't know where he belongs...

AND...do not forget pees three weeks ago said in an interview "they were trying things out trying to put the best combination of players on the field" ...

isn't it being clueless as of WHAT YOU HAVE if you need all offseason, preseason and half of the season to basically evaluate your players???

man our d is screwed...