[News] The Breakdown: Eisenberg's Five Thoughts vs. Seahawks

[bioLarzen]

Kubs was a great coach- you can see what happened when he left, same thing with Pagano...

 

You can see what Kubiak can do if his roster starts depleting, right now in Denver... A hint: he's not a wizard either.

 

The questin whether Kubiak or Trestman is the better OC could be argued, and I'm not saying Trestman is.  I would have been happier to retain Kubiak, of course. However, criticizing Trestman for not winning games and putting on a prolific offense when almost all his pieces are removed from the board... well, seems a bit unfair to me. Just try to bake a cake without most of the basic ingredients, and see how you feel when your guests say that you're a lousy cook...

 

People, let's give Trestman the mulligan - hes much more in the position to feel sorry for than getting clubbered... Just like Pees deserved the mulligan last season, when the servicable part of his secondary was basically wiped clean - and how he doesn't deserve the mulligan this season, because, unlike Trestman, he has most of his pieces still on the board, still the D cannot perform on a consistent basis.

Edited December 14, 2015 by bioLarzen

[bioLarzen]

Im just going to go ahead and be the typical ravens fan Lol.......

 

Fire the Head Coach

 

Fire the Manager

 

Fire the Assistant coaches

 

Fire the Ice cream man

 

Fire my wife

 

Fire the scouts

 

Fire that guy that was selling hot dogs in the stands

 

Fire the moderators

 

Fire the announcers

 

Fire everybody!!!! 

 

Fire the balls and the goal posts

[BigUgly]

Aside from Suggs, the defense was largely intact but could not keep up with a depleted Seahawks offense. Something has to change!

[TheRavengers]

Despite everything, Clausen actually looked pretty good out with what he was given.

[ReginaldColeman1]

Your worst case scenario was a bad call to run the clock down deep in your own territory with a running play. Take a knee. You had four yards total rush in the half. Where did Trestman and Harbaugh think Buck was going?

Major problem was the TV coverage on Sherman after every play in the second half. Or watching Carroll jaw his gums on what every it is he's chewing like a steer in the pasture who doesn't know what's ahead of him. It took two maybe three TD's to uncovered receivers in the end zone for John to finally accept his fate. He should keep his demeanor under control. I have a feeling falling out with him and his attitude went a long way to the disappearance of Rolondo on the field and why he just preferred to walk away from Baltimore and play good ball for Dallas.

[NCMan]

The culmination of several years of mediocre drafts and uninspired FA signings. Yes, there are exceptions, but I think that has to be the overall evaluation.

True...and it's just time for Ozzie to retire. Can't place all the blame on him, but it's time. Time for a lot of changes, as it's going to be a long time until this team gets back to respectability. It is what it is.....get used to it. Jockeying for draft position now....top five is looking real good. 4-12 at the finish. 

[stixfix69]

Secondary needs a over-haul....

[stixfix69]

IMO...Cutting Melvin was a mistake, he had a few rough games coming back from injury, but i think he would have been so much better than Wright or Arrington if he was kept...We had another shot to pick him up when NE cut him, but then the resigned him to there PS a week later....He really brought good size, and aggressiveness to the position....JMO.....

[Derrel]

Injuries certainly contributing to this teams performance but the FO did a terrible job of getting players. Maybe time for a FO change. Also, after a week of preparation this is what we get? Steelers blow out Cincy in their house.

[HoldingCall]

True...and it's just time for Ozzie to retire. Can't place all the blame on him, but it's time. Time for a lot of changes, as it's going to be a long time until this team gets back to respectability. It is what it is.....get used to it. Jockeying for draft position now....top five is looking real good. 4-12 at the finish. 

Ozzie has little to do with TOP Raven players added on IR. 18 players, Pitta makes 19. Also, the coaches have a say in who gets to sit or start. There seems to be enough blame to go around but dead money from ex-players like Ray Rice and others prohibits personnel.

 

Experiencing their first losing season since 2007 should account for something. Everyone knows that a losing season will eventually happen sooner or later to teams. The Ravens, Saints, 49ers, Falcons, Chargers, Cowboys, Lions, (top teams recently) numbers have been called.

[NCMan]

do you long do you think it'll take for us to be playoff material, 2016 or 2017 season?

Keep going.....

[stixfix69]

I think the way season has gone speaks volumes of Oz's picks of drafted and undrafted players...In all but 1 game we weren't  blown out, playing with a patch work secondary, down to our 3rd string QB, and wr's who were either not on the team when the season started or considered non factors for this year as they were on the PS....West was a solid pick-up, Brown was out of football for 6 weeks,Mathews who i think we will be really good with his size...Yes we whiffed with Arrington and Wright, as both are horrible....Signing J.Smith long term was a boo boo IMO....

Edited December 14, 2015 by stixfix69

[Black&purple#55]

Defence is terrible, this secondary needs a overhaul. Webb is done, what happened to Jimmy Smith and C.J Mosley?. since his rookie year mosley has regressed compared to Khalil Mack who had 5 sacks yesterday along with Aaron Mcdonald 3.5 sacks. Lot of question on defensive and Dean Pees need to go.

[stixfix69]

Comparing C.J to Mack and McDonald is a tad bit unfair, as ILBer is a totally different position than a pass rushing OLBer, and D-Lineman....He has 86 tackles, and should go over 100, has 3 sacks, 6 passes defensed, 2 fumble recoveries, and a TD...I'm good with that...

[fusuymada]

Have to say I was impressed with Clausen. From college until yesterday he was tagged as having a weak arm, but I saw him put some passes in some nice places with some zip. I definitely feel better about him behind center than Schaub. I amm 100% behind paying Osemele to keep him to play left tackle. We are talking about him facing Avril and Bennett yesterday and he did great. We have Jensen or Urschel to take his spot on the line, to me its a no-brainer. Pony up and pay him he is worth it. Don't make the mistake we have made too many times by letting a quality player walk because we couldn't afford him. Find a way to pay him. Daniel Brown is for real and I can never figure out why we let him languish on the practice squad and cut him then resign him when he clearly is far better than Marlon Brown and some of the other guys we have had on the active roster. No ability to evaluate talent on the offensive side in this organization.

[NCMan]

One thought why was Butler not on the original 53 man roster, he seem to be doing a fine job a lot better than that kid Campanaro that's long gone. Another poor decision by coach H. I think Camp was maybe a coach favorite.

Camp is a decent player, if he can/will ever stay healthy. But, to answer your question......it's because they drafted him. To not stick w/a drafted player, usually way too long....is basically admitting you made a bad move. Hence.....they miss out on better players, just to prove a point. There are lots of fans on here that liked Butler from day one, in addition to other players. The WR group we have playing now may be the best we've fielded all year. 

[ibleedpurpleandblack]

They are who we thought they are. Game didn't surprise me one bit. Nothing really to say as we are using our back-ups back-ups.

Still my squad but this season is one to forget and it's not even over yet...

[eek]

19 people on IR some since the start of the season and people want to fire everyone lol. some fans are just nuts.

[NCMan]

Time to rebuild cut webby and give up on suggs. Time to rebuild

And then change the team name to the Baltimore Dead Monies. Dead money is a direct result of decisions by a FO. No matter what the circumstances, it's a plain, simple fact. It's hard not to have some, but it really can hurt a team. 

[stixfix69]

When Perriman comes back healthy next year, and shows off his blazing speed, people will say what a awesome pick he was....

[objective view]

Defensive problems are easy to assess, 1) the entire secondary needs to be overhauled, every last one of them, barring None! A lot of complaints about Pee's here but if his players can't cover receivers. there is little any DC can do. Look at Miami's CB's, they are aggressive and play tight coverage. Additionally, we need to source some LB's that can cover, while CJ is solid in run support and ZaDarris as a rusher, we have NO cover backers.. Offensive I think is OK when healthy if we add a Big Body receiver with speed who can stay healthy and resolve the LT position because Monroe can not stay on the field.

[steelcityraven]

objective view.... I hear what you are saying about the entire secondary needs to be overhauled... but how many times can we do this. (Under Pees)??? We really have said this for a few years now. We have been through no less then 6 starting Safeties... Our CBs have been a merry go round at best- (Jimmy and Webby have been in and out with injuries) and we have had many - many people fail at an attempt to fill in for them. None successfully! Our DBackfield has been absolutely disappointing since Pees got here and I get that the DC don't make plays but when NOONE can be successful in this system (and I mean NONE)! then we do have to question what is going on. On top of that- many of our players who couldn't make a play in our system has since left and are finding success elsewhere (Darian Stewart-James Ihedigbo- etc)... Many were very success before playing under Pees. (Will Hill was widely considered one of the top S in Football) Kyle Arrington was the most coveted CB on the market not named DReevis to start this year. KLewis played at a pro bowl level last season... Why can so many guys find success in other systems but NONE find success in ours??? I agree with you that our LB's cant cover but again... who can in our system... Finally I am with you on the Monroe thing... we need to resolve the LT position before next year... with or without Eugene as our starting LT!

[drillem]

Maybe we can bring Pagliani back after the colts fire him for not winning their division. We need a lights out defense again like the old days to contain teams we can't beat with offense. We got the nucleus but not the drive to get there now.

[drillem]

Oh, and that 'rebuild' after the '12 season was the beginning of the problems with the defensive backfield. It was too abrupt. I'd rather see and old Pollard back there than what we've seen since.

[ravensprobowld]

I've been saying it all year and will say it again. Draft o line or pass rush first then second. Then db db db. We have everything else in place when healthy. We have 3 rb that can start. 6 wr who can play thats with smith or perriman playing not both the others are akien ,brown,butler,waller,camp. Three te three safetys and plenty of lb and d line. So next year we need pass rush and a few better corners and an oline upgrade. Then we will be right back in the title hunt.

[steelcityraven]

eek... 19 people on IR... but only one starter on Defense (Suggs) and Elam could have contributed! (but that's it)....It wasn't so long ago that we had a defense that people couldn't score on and we may only score a few Matt Stover FG's in a game and win 9-7 or 12 -6. Now I get that our offense has had a ton of injuries (2 QB's, 2 HB's, 2TE's, 3 WR's, LT, C) and that does impact a defense too bc of TOP and field position but we are actually competitive in the TOP category and the best Punter (Sam Koch) in the NFL.. had helped to keep us middle of the pack in starting / vs opponents starting field position. Now was can score 24-25 points per game and expect to lose! We have been seriously impacted by injuries and bc of that I think Trestman has done a remarkable job but I cannot allow that to be the excuse for the poor play of the defense! 1 starter injured! ONE.... and while it was a big one... to lose suggs... its absurd to say that he single handedly was the difference between a top 3 def and a bottom 3 defense! Our defense has been bad since Pees got here and the downward trend continues! giving up an avg of nearly 30 points per game is not bc we lost suggs! (nor bc of injuries). If we were consistently losing 17-6, or 14 -9.... okay - I would get it... a lot of offensive injuries. But that is not the case... we are losing 37-33 to the Raiders, 28-24 to the bengals, 33-30 to the browns, 25-20 t0 the 49ers, 28-16 to the Cards and 35-6 to the Seahawaks... CMON... with the way our offense is banged up we really shouldn't have been in those games.., its a testament to Trestman that we were even in any of those game... When your defense gives up that much it is hard for a good / healthy offense to win... much less a unit with the injuries that we had. Even if all was healthy... we would have had to averaged 4 TDs per game to win the games we lost. In our loses we have given up nearly 27 pts per contest. That is a defense that has had one starter lost to injury. Even if we get a healthy 34 year old Suggs back next year... what makes us think that this defense will be any better. Pees is the problem on that side of the ball... that's just undisputable!

[ravensohyea]

I remember when we could win a game with a horrible offense because the defense was that good. What happened to us?

[RavenzOz]

Maybe we can bring Pagliani back after the colts fire him for not winning their division ...

 

As long as he brings Chuck Pagano with him too ;-)

[Zeus]

Well, we all know how everything can turn around completely in a week...

Past 2 seasons have been a joke

[OzzieBisciotti]

You can see what Kubiak can do if his roster starts depleting, right now in Denver... A hint: he's not a wizard either.

 

The questin whether Kubiak or Trestman is the better OC could be argued, and I'm not saying Trestman is.  I would have been happier to retain Kubiak, of course. However, criticizing Trestman for not winning games and putting on a prolific offense when almost all his pieces are removed from the board... well, seems a bit unfair to me. Just try to bake a cake without most of the basic ingredients, and see how you feel when your guests say that you're a lousy cook...

 

People, let's give Trestman the mulligan - hes much more in the position to feel sorry for than getting clubbered... Just like Pees deserved the mulligan last season, when the servicable part of his secondary was basically wiped clean - and how he doesn't deserve the mulligan this season, because, unlike Trestman, he has most of his pieces still on the board, still the D cannot perform on a consistent basis.

 

I'm talking about Head Coach.  Denver seems to have a better FO than we do when it comes to the draft/ FA pick ups