[News] The Breakdown: Eisenberg's Five Thoughts vs. Seahawks

[bmoraven]

1. Seahawks have a QB, we don't right now 2. They're fast were sluggish 3. They have Leaders, we don't 4. Their coaching staff shut us down before the game started, we couldn't run on them 5. The Refs still Stink

[shiri2]

Robbie29? I hate to say it, but the 2016 season might be just as disappointing with a lot of changes in our personnel on and off the field. And then a getting to know each other process all over again. And Perriman? Who is he? We still don't know what he's about. If he's one of those guys, like Campanaro, who's good but gets hurt all the time he won't do us much good on the sideline.

[ciro]

do you long do you think it'll take for us to be playoff material, 2016 or 2017 season?

[Nick04263]

Didn't Osemele say he wanted to play guard? I don't think I am making that up but I might be. Either way, to keep him is major money, to pay him LT money is even bigger, and if he doesn't want to play tackle he would surely pass and go to a team that will pay him big money to be a guard.

[Nick04263]

Just to expand on my comments, I believe he made his feelings heard about not wanting to play LT last year or the year before. It is certainly possible he has changed his mind. Especially when he learns about the extra money the position demands.

[Militant X 1]

Who is the leader of this team? When Ray Lewis left, he said that the team would need leadership, and everyone on the Ravens team went crazy saying that we had plenty of leaders. I feel if we had strong leaders, then we wouldn't have gotten blown out - this loss was at our house and was pretty painful to watch. I hate to admit it, but there are no star players, play-makers on this team- it's like a team full of practice squad players with very few players that people actually know (outside of the line/ kicker).

 

Where to begin? Here are my 5 thoughts, which are much better than his. This same guy was writing last week about how much "improved" the Ravens defense was. HA HA HA! Now he doesn't say a word about it. I blasted him last week, saying the only reason the Ravens defense has "improved" is because of the lousy quarterbacks they have been up against. Tell the truth and people are more likely to believe you instead of writing crap that isn't true. Monroe stinks. Osemele proved he could play LT today. Sign him or franchise him for next year. He is a good tough guy who does a better job than Monroe. Nothing against Clausen but the young guy should start. The Ravens need to figure out if he is long term or not. Neither Clausen nor Schab is. The refs again were calling namby pamby fouls. That ridiculous personal foul against Webb wasn't worthy of a Pee Wee League call. Just outrageous. Harbaugh and his coaches should all be fired. Newsome too. Some of you may drink the Oz Kool Aid but not me. He has blown enough high draft picks in the past 3 years that this team is short on talent and cannot compete. He was once a master of the draft, but more recent failures prove he is no more. Elam, Perriman, Kindle, Cody, Jah Reid, Upshaw, Dickson all mediocre at best and awful at worst. Even Mosely, whom I like, but not as a number one pick. He can't cover. No leadership on this team, on offense or defense. Harbaugh got rid of any strong personalities that would sure look a heck of a lot better out there than what we see. Just a bunch of guys playing as individuals. No cohesion, especially on defense. Russell Wilson could have set a table and had lunch in his backfield for all the pressure the Ravens brought.

 

Very scary to think how many years we may be at the bottom if we don't develop leadership and chemistry.

 

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[ellicottraven]

Despite the lopsided loss, I'm at peace with our Ravens' predicament. I think under their particular circumstances, they did reasonably okay but for really soft defense in the secondary. They were repeatedly caught off guard or on the wrong foot in the secondary and that really looked bad. There were some good things too although they didn't result in points for us. Till the final minute of the first half they made the game interesting and for that I'm proud of the Ravens!

[ravenwildman]

Defense looked....sad, but amazingly the depleted offense did a real good job considering the circumstances. Jimmy Clausen impressed me, he took charge of the offense, great job! Something is wrong with the defense, yeah Seattle is a great team, but no way that much talent on defense should be getting "redheaded stepchild slapped" around like they are. I don't know what Pees is doing, but it ain't working!

GO RAVENS!

[Purple Dawg 96]

No huddle Offense no win! No creativity what so ever just a flat out dissappointmemt!

[ravens4life86]

Season has been over. I knew once Clausen started this was going to get ugly.

Harbaugh can throw his pom poms on and say..fans should cheer and support because were a bunch of tough, fighters who wont give up.

Thats all non sense, I didnt watch today and I wont watch the rest of the season.

Hate it or love it but Im with the fans who say Im just hoping for top overall pick now, because this organization is Playoffs,SB or failure.

Ravens need Transcendent gamechangers especially along Dline(Pass Rush) replacements for Mcohee,Ngata, eventual replacement for Sizzle.

They desparately need gamechanging WRs, Aiken is a 4, Butler is a 3/4.. Dan Brown is interesting but hes a low 2,3 or TE type.

The only guy they maybe have next year is Perriman, so they have holes to fill.

Lastly I hope Steve B pulls back some of harbs power after a losing year, fans are tired if having "Nice guys" but "tough guys"

Choir boys dont win...you know who wins..Killers, Alpha dogs, straight killers that challenge the coach like Pollard,Boldin,Reed, etc

So enough choir boys..get back to bringing in killers, Alpha dogs

[bioLarzen]

My five takes:

 

1.) Clausen was in no way worse than Schaub, may be a better backup for next season if the price is right.

Before the game I said I would love to see Renner in real NFL action - but Clausen never gave any reason to bench him. He was as solid as you may expect a backup-level QB with mere weeks of learning the playbook and building raspport with the guys. The INT was probably due to the lack of gelling. The O had no chance against one of the better D's of the league - andm, to be fair, I don't think it would have been any better with Schaub under C - and god forbid, even with the 2015 Flacco... probably more than 6 points - but still a comprehensive L.

That said, I would still like to see Renner - for example in Week#17... just to see how he moves around in a real NFL game... We know that Clausen, however good he was, has a rather low ceiling and will never be a starting caliber QB. Renner, on the other hand, is a clean sheet at this point. Almost surely not as good as Clausen AT THIS POINT - but may grow to be much better.

 

2.) It was great to see the young guns in action.

These games should be used for talent evaluation. This one was.

Dan Brown, Butler, Chris Matthews, Terrance West all got plenty of action - well, plenty compared to how much they would have played if there was no shortage at WR and the game still had some actual importance. Let's hope that now that we are officially out of the playoffs, it's gonna continue, and not only because we have nobody else to put out there.

 

3.) Are there still seats available on the Dan Brown-bandwagon? Booked then!

If he could hold on to that pass for a TD late in the game, it would have been perfect. But even without that, he was one of the true bright spots. Let's hope he will stay on the roster for the rest of the season and at the start of the next season - and that he won't pull a Marlon Brown (or a LaQuan...).

 

4.) Maybe it's time we start taking it easy with our top guys left on the active roster...

The last thing we need is losing our remaining impact players due to serious injuries for games that don't really matter. I hope both Jernigan and Aiken will be allright... but imagine losing Yanda, KO, Dumervil or Will Hill to a nasty and long-healing injury in a game like this that could very well impact their next season...

 

5.) Losing out is now absolutely in the cards, even if the guys do everything to win. If we do (and this here is not rooting for it), a top 5-6 pick is almost guaranteed.

At least we get something good out of this ridiculous seson.

[bioLarzen]

Just to expand on my comments, I believe he made his feelings heard about not wanting to play LT last year or the year before. It is certainly possible he has changed his mind. Especially when he learns about the extra money the position demands.

 

... on the other hand, forcing him to play a position he doesn't really appreciate may not be the winning strategy when next off season he's an UFA, and will by all likelihood, be a hot commodity...

Or maybe Ozzie knows that we won't be able to retain him anyway (just like it was more or less a foregone conclusion with Grubbs, Ellerbe, Torrey, McPhee and Corey Graham), so he's not in the cards anymore?

[Zeus]

Last week you wrote how the defence was greatly improved and now not so much

[bioLarzen]

do you long do you think it'll take for us to be playoff material, 2016 or 2017 season?

 

If we are more fortunate with the injuries, get less blown calls that negate TD's and cost us games - and Ozzie uses this great chance to draft real difference makers - and also Flacco's deal gets reworked to create much needed extra cap space... and Steve Smith really comes back for one more season (which, at ths point is mere speculation as he never hinted towards anything like that...) - and can make it a season we expect of him - well, if these come true, we will be much better, and definitely playoff-worthy...

 

(I also hope that the time off will bring back Flacco's "hunger" for the game and so he comes back much more motivated than he seemed this season. That would also be a huge boost.)

[bioLarzen]

Last week you wrote how the defence was greatly improved and now not so much

 

Well, we all know how everything can turn around completely in a week...

[Ravensfansince03]

Just watched the highlights. Our D-line looked horrible smh. And on top of that.. Pee's is trying to run packages and plays that these players are not capable of executing successfully. I saw Jernigan and Za'darius Smith get stood up, and laid on their butt smh. And too many times did I see NO PENETRATION from our guys.

 

If this were any other team that I was a fan of it probably wouldn't be as depressing, but just the fact that this is the RAVENS. A team I became a fan of because of the DEFENSE!! And to see this team go to these low depths is purely disgusting and distasteful. This team needs a total makeover and mindset change, PARTIALLY thanks to Harbaugh.

 

Pees is like a Teacher that doesn't understand nor cares to understand or relate to his students.

 

And Harbaugh is like a guy that doesn't want to believe or admit what's right in front of him.

Edited December 14, 2015 by Ravensfansince03

[ReginaldColeman1]

Even if u only free up seven to ten million by cutting and releasing four players out of the top ten contracts it lets u maneuver. You can't invest without capital. I don't expect it because I think the financial geniuses who run the team are not football heads. Bean counters make good accountants but they shouldn't force personnel moves.

[Flamengo1265]

Everybody knew that the Ravens would not win this game, but it was disappointing to see the lack of effort on both sides of the ball. The Ravens D-line never got any pressure on Wilson, especially on the TD passes, which made the secondary look pathetic...and the O-line didn't seem to be in the mood to block on running plays.

[Ravensfansince03]

I don't mean to stray off topic, but there is a video labeled "Jimmy Smith on being eliminated from playoffs". Im just wondering............why on earth would anyone even think of playoffs for this team in the first place??? I understand that as a journalist and writer for this team that you have to stay positive..but you should also keep it realistic. With your starting franchise QB out for the season, and for that matter, starting players across the board..why would you want to even put this team in the playoffs...and don't say nothing about Kap Lol.

[gabrielgrissom]

Kubs was a great coach- you can see what happened when he left, same thing with Pagano...

we haven't missed someone as bad since we lost birk and put in Gino gradkowski at center

[Ravensfansince03]

Everybody knew that the Ravens would not win this game, but it was disappointing to see the lack of effort on both sides of the ball. The Ravens D-line never got any pressure on Wilson, especially on the TD passes, which made the secondary look pathetic...and the O-line didn't seem to be in the mood to block on running plays.

 

Yep, sounds like poor coaching if ya ask me.

[gabrielgrissom]

Even if u only free up seven to ten million by cutting and releasing four players out of the top ten contracts it lets u maneuver. You can't invest without capital. I don't expect it because I think the financial geniuses who run the team are not football heads. Bean counters make good accountants but they shouldn't force personnel moves.

after today if there's anyone who needs to go... It kyle arrington... He's got two more years here if we can let Jacoby go we can let him go

[Ravensfansince03]

Even if u only free up seven to ten million by cutting and releasing four players out of the top ten contracts it lets u maneuver. You can't invest without capital. I don't expect it because I think the financial geniuses who run the team are not football heads. Bean counters make good accountants but they shouldn't force personnel moves.

 

You make a great point. I was wondering the same thing last offseason. I asked myself....why does this team sign our star players to contracts they cant hold up on. If a guy is reaching the end of his contract, and is due for a big contract I can understand, but the thing with Ngata was frustrating.

 

As far as defense goes, this team used to do a stellar job of drafting and signing guys to appropriate contracts. We used to have GREAT depth across our entire defense. Now, its like if one guy goes down we are doomed.

Edited December 14, 2015 by Ravensfansince03

[thecommish]

Listen.... we have a ton of injuries... but not a ton of injuries on the defensive side of the ball! 35 points. We are giving up nearly 30 points a game this year... Pees has a ton of talent to work with... and continues to not be able to get it done... Pees gotta go... or we better get used to seasons like this in BMORE!

[thecommish]

I like the idea of KO at LT... I think he can play it and play it well... Wagner, Yanda, Zuttah, urschel and KO would be a very solid starting 5 with Jensen, Monroe, Wesley and Hurst behind the starting 5 (and whoever we add in the draft - most likely also a T). That is a pretty solid OL for 2016 and decent depth!

[thecommish]

5thoughts: 1. Clausen played well with a very watered down game plan..... we will see if he can take another step next week. 2. The defense is and continues to underachieve. I get that we have a lot of injuries but not on the defensive side of the ball. I remember a time when we won games on defense in BMORE. now we are giving up nearly 30 points per game. 3. i get its back ups but mistakes plagued us all season no matter who the personal is... Penalties and Turnovers lost us probably 4 games this season. Undiscipline play... that falls on the coaching staff. 4. KO can play period... regardless of G or T... he is a ball player and we need to find a way to keep him! 5. Once again I never thought that I would say this but we keep getting out physicaled... We look soft... and against an aggressive team like seattle... it showed once again. The culture on this team has changed and not for the better. I can live with losing... and I can live with the injuries.... but I struggle to see us forget who we are. Win - lose or Draw.... I expect us to out physical any team we meet. Thats how we have always been built. I think we need some soul searching from top to bottom and find our identity again... or at least spend the rest of this season ( and the off season) getting back to that (regardless of wins and loses at this point).

[TheConquerorWorm]

Bad Day. I get that our offense had little chance against the Seahawk D but our defense was all around atrocious. Mosley seems to have gotten away from actually making a tackle - looking for the hit without wrapping up. Arrington, per usual, couldn't cover anyone. Daryl Smith was absolutely horrible in coverage - standing in the secondary watching the QB throw the ball to the receiver right in front of him. Will Hill, per usual, too far up on the line of scrimmage allowing WR to get open behind him. To me, it looked like the only Defensive player that actually fought every play was Dumervil even though he was double teamed most of the game. You know it was a bad day for the defense when the best tackle of the game was by a WR on a DB that just intercepted the ball...

 

This was the 1st game that I've been to that I actually felt embarrassed (I guess I know what a Browns fan feels like now). It didn't help that the stadium was half empty by the 3rd quarter and we had to hear "Hawks" chants for the entire 4th quarter.

 

Sad. Just sad.

Edited December 14, 2015 by TheConquerorWorm

[gooftroop]

The culmination of several years of mediocre drafts and uninspired FA signings. Yes, there are exceptions, but I think that has to be the overall evaluation.

[tonyquintino]

I use to believe in Webb but he's just not the same player. And Kendrick Lewis in any coverage is terrible. He's actually the worst signing off the year. All this hype in training camp but it's a reason he's on his 3rd team in just as many years. Hopefully, they finally give Terrence Brooks some snaps. He's more of a true free safety than Lewis or Hill.

[BigUgly]

You're right, Eisenberg. The Ravens reached into the bowels of their depth chart, but failed to create any movement.