The top need this offseason is....

[RaineV1]

On Stanley, most players put on more muscle mass after going to the NFL. I'd be fine taking him, since I'm sure he'll get stronger, and he won't have to be coached up as much. It is a shame that we don't have Kubiak though, since Stanley is the perfect type of lineman for his system.

[Inqui]

i really worry about him facing grown men with grown man strength, he definitely needs to get in the weight room, but the good news is he appears to have plenty of room to physically develop. i dont know if he'll ever be the type to get consistent push in the run game, but i think he completely eliminates guys that depend on finesse and first step for pressure, i just worry about him facing edge rushers that bring a mean bullrush

I don't think his weight concerns are the same as for, say, Kevin Johnson last year - whose (lack of) weight was a concern even after a couple of years of extensive workouts and progressively putting on weight. As you say, I think he has room to put on another 15 pounds or whatever after six month in an NFL weight room. And he's shown enough flashes of raw power in the running game that I think it's more a matter of making him strong enough for it to be consistent. Point is that while it's a concern and will probably bump him down a few spots, I don't think it's serious enough to scream bust or anything.

 

Same thing with the bullrush. I think he's shown enough bulk to at least take the heat and not be overwhelmed by it. How he'll cope in the pros (James Harrison being slightly stronger than some 20-year-old in the ACC) is another fair question, but again after six months in an NFL weight room I think he can at least not be a complete liability.

[Maryland]

I don't see a top 3 pick in Stanley like I do in Tunsil. I think what we need in an OL is a guy who is nasty. We need a mauler on this OL and I don't see one outside of Tunsil in the top 5 sadly. I don't think Stanley fits in what Castillo or the team wants in an OT.

This is probably the only forum where I see Stanley top-5 hype. Mocks and other forums I see like 8-16 projections. 

[JoeyFlex5]

This is probably the only forum where I see Stanley top-5 hype. Mocks and other forums I see like 8-16 projections. 

top 5 hype for stanley doesnt appear to really be a thing here either, he seems to be a popular trade back target and hes getting 6-10 hype around here for the most part

[Winchester]

Here is my take on Stanley so far. Because he is not as nasty as Tunsil I expected to see a player who needs power similar to Joeckel or Fisher. However while he could be more aggressive, he has plenty of pop!! I was honestly impressed. He shows enough power to where it shows up even when he does not seem to be trying to play nasty. And he will get strongerstronger and tougher in the NFL. But I still like Tunsil slightly better. But either player is far better than the recent top10 tackles like Joeckel,Fisher,Kalil and even Matthews and Lewan. And look like future pro bowlers.

[DomMcRaven]

Here is my take on Stanley so far. Because he is not as nasty as Tunsil I expected to see a player who needs power similar to Joeckel or Fisher. However while he could be more aggressive, he has plenty of pop!! I was honestly impressed. He shows enough power to where it shows up even when he does not seem to be trying to play nasty. And he will get strongerstronger and tougher in the NFL. But I still like Tunsil slightly better. But either player is far better than the recent top10 tackles like Joeckel,Fisher,Kalil and even Matthews and Lewan. And look like future pro bowlers.

I know you really want Tunsil, but I'm curious to know who would you consider to be your plan B/C/etc? Just asking that's all. 

[GrimCoconut]

Here is my take on Stanley so far. Because he is not as nasty as Tunsil I expected to see a player who needs power similar to Joeckel or Fisher. However while he could be more aggressive, he has plenty of pop!! I was honestly impressed. He shows enough power to where it shows up even when he does not seem to be trying to play nasty. And he will get strongerstronger and tougher in the NFL. But I still like Tunsil slightly better. But either player is far better than the recent top10 tackles like Joeckel,Fisher,Kalil and even Matthews and Lewan. And look like future pro bowlers.

This is how I see it. I don't dislike Stanley because of a "lack of nastiness;" rather, that's just something I'd like to see in his game that's not there. I would be more than happy with him, though. His hands and feet are really good. He'd go a long way to making the offense elite, and that's what I think we should do right now due to rule changes. 

 

Stanley and Tunsil are definitely better than all the LT prospects for years. 

[RavensFanMania]

Here's a thought pay KO and move him back to LT move Urschel to KO's spot possibly trade back a few spots and could get a couple of picks to address a couple needs

This is my position as well.  If KO's audition doesn't work out, then LT would be my top need as well, but not necessarily Tunsil.  I'd be fine with a trade back for Stanley if the cost is too high to trade up for Tunsil.

[RavensFanMania]

Here's my only problem: KO has had injuries himself. Second, KO could also price himself out of our range if he does well at LT. It's easy to say we could pay him LG money or something like that, but what if he and his agent get together and say he can play LT? He could get very very good money. We saw what Collins got (ended up as a 4th round compensatory pick for the Bengals) as a back-up LT. If KO proves to be a legitimate option there, he could command better money because of his ability to play RT, LG, & now LT. If Michael Oher got 20/4, then he (KO) could very likely do even better than that. 

 

 

I agree with RMW, we are in a tough spot and I agree, K.O has his problems with injuries but unlike Monroe they aren't as bad as his and he fits the identity of this offense. I don't want to wait till the draft only to see the best LT come off the board and be stuck with Hurst **Cringes**.

outside of missing a bunch of games in 2013 he has only missed four games in the other three seasons.

[JoeyFlex5]

outside of missing a bunch of games in 2013 he has only missed four games in the other three seasons.

that's not a very impressive number. It shows a pattern, not to mention when he starts the season rusty and out of shape like this year

[GrimCoconut]

outside of missing a bunch of games in 2013 he has only missed four games in the other three seasons.

Yeah, he missed 9 in 2013, 2 in 2014, and missed 2 this year and was injured at the start of the year and looked like it hampered him.

I'm just saying it's not so clear cut. He's had his share of injuries that arguably affected his play and forced him off the field. The only bright spot is his injuries appear legitimate and he shows the toughness and willingness to play through pain. That's an underrated attribute for sure.

Edited December 14, 2015 by GrimCoconut

[Moderator 3]

A lineman with recurring back problems is a concern.

[Winchester]

I know you really want Tunsil, but I'm curious to know who would you consider to be your plan B/C/etc? Just asking that's all.

This is how I see it. I don't dislike Stanley because of a "lack of nastiness;" rather, that's just something I'd like to see in his game that's not there. I would be more than happy with him, though. His hands and feet are really good. He'd go a long way to making the offense elite, and that's what I think we should do right now due to rule changes. 

 

Stanley and Tunsil are definitely better than all the LT prospects for

years.

It is cool, thanx for asking:) If we do not get Tunsil then I like Ron Stanley.(I will get to plan c in a minute) Like Grim just said,a pro bowl caliber left tackle would go a long long way into building an elite offense in many ways. The left tackle has held back the Oline from becoming elite. And if Monroe played like a top10 left tackle then who knows, the ravens offense may have been top6 even without legit playmakers. I said before KO could play left tackle well, but he is a top5 and arguably top2 guard. Tunsil fits better with the other ravens olineman nasty demeanor. However Ron plays with plenty of power as Well, can be counted on to block elite edge rushers one on one and brings the ravens offense that much closer to an elite offense. Add in a playmaking receiver and the ravens offense could beat opponents in any way. With ball control methodical scoring of big plays similar to the broncos championship teams. The ravens offense, once firing on all cylinders could very realistically be the best in the NFL. If ravens can not get Ron Stanley or Tunsil then I am not really sure. So far not a draft big on elite prospects. I like Bosa but he still has a couple things to answer during the process. Unless another player steps up during the draft process this could be a year to trade down. But without many players in that elite category it could limit what a team offers to trade up.

[Robbyrobbass]

If we resign KO and move him to LT I think our biggest need is pass rusher.

even without that pass rush is our biggest need

[Robbyrobbass]

Pass rusher than a real wr

[JoeyFlex5]

even without that pass rush is our biggest need

not when your franchise qb just tore his acl due to bad lt play and you still have no solution

[Robbyrobbass]

not when your franchise qb just tore his acl due to bad lt play and you still have no solution

so your saying qb ? There is still some rumblings that k.o. will be brought back and moved to lt

[JoeyFlex5]

so your saying qb ? There is still some rumblings that k.o. will be brought back and moved to lt

no, I'm saying LT, where did you get that qb is our top need from that? And ko is an experiment, he's a natural guard and we have to see quite a bit more from him to feel comfortable with it. Also he has injury concerns and will command a lot of money that we don't have, it's a long shot on many fronts. I'd love for it to work out but it's an up hill climb for now

[Wildabeast88]

This is my position as well.  If KO's audition doesn't work out, then LT would be my top need as well, but not necessarily Tunsil.  I'd be fine with a trade back for Stanley if the cost is too high to trade up for Tunsil.

I would even be fine going back further for Spriggs Conklin or Decker all solid big 10 guys

[Wildabeast88]

I know you really want Tunsil, but I'm curious to know who would you consider to be your plan B/C/etc? Just asking that's all.

here are a few options Taylor Decker 6-7 315 Ohio St mid 1st projected Jack Conklin 6-6 318 Michigan St projected mid 1st Jason Spriggs 66 305 Indiana late 1st early 2nd projection all three are from Big 10 schools and are solid options

[Dewy101]

not when your franchise qb just tore his acl due to bad lt play and you still have no solution

Bad play? Hurst doesn't even belong in the NFL not at LT anyway.

[JoeyFlex5]

Bad play? Hurst doesn't even belong in the NFL not at LT anyway.

just further proves my point lol

[PurpleCity5]

Have you guys seen what we have out there at edge rush? We are just tossing out bodies out there. I mean let's be honest. Looking at this roster now, you have Doom....and then....nothing after that, nothing at all when looking at the current roster. Suggs is coming back from his 2nd Achilles tear and I don't even know if he will be the same after that. You can attribute plenty of our secondary struggles on the pass rush as well, Russell Wilson, a guy used to running for him life should not have that much time in the pocket, it's ridiculous. 

 

I personally would open the door for us going with Bosa over Tunsil. I wouldn't consider us picking a LT if we do re-sign K.O a sure thing, not saying we wouldn't, but that's how I feel about this pass rush. 

[BSHU_Miami]

Our franchise QB torn his ACL. resign KO, draft tunsil/stanley and then do whatever, I think this is Ozzie's mentalty, I think Joe getting hurt spooks him into an LT

[January J]

Have you guys seen what we have out there at edge rush? We are just tossing out bodies out there. I mean let's be honest. Looking at this roster now, you have Doom....and then....nothing after that, nothing at all when looking at the current roster. Suggs is coming back from his 2nd Achilles tear and I don't even know if he will be the same after that. You can attribute plenty of our secondary struggles on the pass rush as well, Russell Wilson, a guy used to running for him life should not have that much time in the pocket, it's ridiculous. 

 

I personally would open the door for us going with Bosa over Tunsil. I wouldn't consider us picking a LT if we do re-sign K.O a sure thing, not saying we wouldn't, but that's how I feel about this pass rush.

starting to lean that way as well. If it's not bosa then we will be moving back and grabbing Ramsey or ogbah.

[JoeyFlex5]

while i dont like stanley as a top 5 pick, i love him as a trade back candidate. if we can pull a robbery of a trade back, which i think will be ozzies 3rd choice after bosa/tunsil, then i would LOVE to see us get stanley around 8 and pull another 2nd and a future first. if that happens then it doesnt matter what our biggest need, we can fix them all.

[GrimCoconut]

while i dont like stanley as a top 5 pick, i love him as a trade back candidate. if we can pull a robbery of a trade back, which i think will be ozzies 3rd choice after bosa/tunsil, then i would LOVE to see us get stanley around 8 and pull another 2nd and a future first. if that happens then it doesnt matter what our biggest need, we can fix them all.

I agree. If Tunsil and Bosa are both gone we're probably going to hope we can trade back, pick up extra picks, and get Hargreaves, Ramsey, Stanley or Ogbah. I think I'd prefer Hargreaves, Stanley, Ramsey then Ogbah in that order, personally. Then go with Ngakoue in the second.

We'd probably get a second round pick and possibly another first from trading back, which would be huge for the franchise.

[JoeyFlex5]

I agree. If Tunsil and Bosa are both gone we're probably going to hope we can trade back, pick up extra picks, and get Hargreaves, Ramsey, Stanley or Ogbah. I think I'd prefer Hargreaves, Stanley, Ramsey then Ogbah in that order, personally. Then go with Ngakoue in the second.

We'd probably get a second round pick and possibly another first from trading back, which would be huge for the franchise.

if we go back to 8-10 range then someone between stanley, hargreaves, and ramsey will fall through, ive soured a little on ogbah but i would still be willing to take him at the tail end. if all 3 of the guys i listed above are taken, then i think treadwell tickles our fancy a bit, which i wouldnt mind, but i dont love the value. 

 

i love the thought of getting an extra 2nd because im seeing some REAL talent in the top half of the 2nd, the wr's, then you have guys like ngakoue, fuller, thompson, bell, zettell, jenkins, bullard, and of course the guys who are inevitably gonna fall through the cracks, some of the guys i listed in another thread are worth a look, like adolphus washington, he would be a nice addition if we had a strong edge rusher to pair with him, getting 2 picks in the 2nd and getting adolphus washington and ngakoue back to back would be a nightmare for opposing OL's to block, also a 1-2 punch of edge rusher/db in the 2nd, or even a cb and a FS like fuller/thompson. 

 

being JUST out of range is so frustrating in the first round, but being right before a stretch of teams that need a qb puts us in prime position to look for some offers, and the 2nd round is looking alright for our needs

[Cillmatic]

A lineman with recurring back problems is a concern.

Which lineman has that?

[JoeyFlex5]

Which lineman has that?

KO