The top need this offseason is....

[rmw10]

Yeah, I just read through that thread after my reply to rmw because I figured the answer was there. Wow, I'm really disappointed in Monroe. I can't fault him honestly for declining to restructure. He has the right to say no. What bothers me is everything else with his decision to decline the restructure. He doesn't sound like a team player at all. He sounds like a jerk. I don't want him here at all if that's the case. I can't see us getting anything for him, though. Why would a team trade for him if they know he's already gone? Kinda stupid, I think. He hasn't been healthy, either. I can't see why anyone would trade for Monroe if they think he won't do anything for their team, which seems evident due to how he is playing (or not) here.

I do think this changes things with KO.

Lol, I find it funny that I ignorantly post that comment and then find out how right I was. I have to admit, that's pretty funny to me. I honestly didn't have any idea. I was practically living under a rock. Pretty amusing.

I think Monroe needs to go.

Even Schefter or Rapoport (can't remember which) said that there is heavy frustration in management with his inability to stay on the field. They questioned someone in the FO and they replied that not only has he missed half of his games, but how many has he started and not finished? Combined with what Zrebiec and Wilson have said, it seems a parting of ways is imminent.

[GrimCoconut]

Even Schefter or Rapoport (can't remember which) said that there is heavy frustration in management with his inability to stay on the field. They questioned someone in the FO and they replied that not only has he missed half of his games, but how many has he started and not finished? Combined with what Zrebiec and Wilson have said, it seems a parting of ways is imminent.

I can't blame them. It's ridiculous. I wondered myself if he was just milking injuries but I always quietly held that back thinking it was just crazy talk. I always liked how he played on the field. He's not at all a mauler but he did play well when actually playing. It was strange and didn't make sense for me to think he just doesn't want to be out there. It's really still strange to me now. I mean, how do you look good but not want to play, get "hurt", and then go sit on the sideline with a boo-boo? I mean, come on now. 

 

I am really pissed off about this. I wondered what was up with him constantly being hurt, and this certainly and sadly makes a lot of sense. I'm a bit mad that it happened and that he burned us. I recall weeks ago, maybe two months ago, Vinny said on the radio that Monroe took the money and ran. I didn't want to believe it, but I was thinking it and it was the pink elephant in the room for me personally. I guess Vinny was spot-on. 

[Inqui]

Lol, I find it funny that I ignorantly post that comment and then find out how right I was. I have to admit, that's pretty funny to me. I honestly didn't have any idea. I was practically living under a rock. Pretty amusing. 

 

I think Monroe needs to go. 

I'm not sure if that was directed to what I said at all, but my question (and that annual something that I'm sure would send Ozzie bald if he weren't already) is how he can feasibly be moved on. I think we'd be lucky to find a trade partner who'd give us season tickets for him - much less picks or players - and unless I'm mistaken cutting him means we get minimal savings and have a new hole opened up at LT. If only this were the NBA, where we could find a bottom-feeding team to eat his contract for us.

[rmw10]

I'm not sure if that was directed to what I said at all, but my question (and that annual something that I'm sure would send Ozzie bald if he weren't already) is how he can feasibly be moved on. I think we'd be lucky to find a trade partner who'd give us season tickets for him - much less picks or players - and unless I'm mistaken cutting him means we get minimal savings and have a new hole opened up at LT. If only this were the NBA, where we could find a bottom-feeding team to eat his contract for us.

I think they've reached the point where they believe there's a hole at LT regardless of whether or not he's on the roster. It seems they believe that he's not going to be on the field much, so they'll take what savings they can get and move on.

[GrimCoconut]

I'm not sure if that was directed to what I said at all, but my question (and that annual something that I'm sure would send Ozzie bald if he weren't already) is how he can feasibly be moved on. I think we'd be lucky to find a trade partner who'd give us season tickets for him - much less picks or players - and unless I'm mistaken cutting him means we get minimal savings and have a new hole opened up at LT. If only this were the NBA, where we could find a bottom-feeding team to eat his contract for us.

I think they've reached the point where they believe there's a hole at LT regardless of whether or not he's on the roster. It seems they believe that he's not going to be on the field much, so they'll take what savings they can get and move on.

I honestly think Monroe has no trade value at all. Why would I, as a GM, trade for Monroe if I know he is likely to be cut? It makes no sense for me to do it. He has no value in my opinion. He should be cut, but I wouldn't cut him until after the draft. I have to say, if the reports are true, I'd keep him here doing nothing and just cut him after all the teams signed their guys and it's hard to make a team. Then again, that's not classy and that's not the Ravens way, so we will likely do the right thing and cut him and let him go early. 

 

I don't see any trade value at all. People mentioned the Chargers, but why would they want him? Lol, the Chargers look like they believe in having a nasty OL. They don't have finesse players on that OL. I can see the Broncos or even the Eagles, maybe, but not the Chargers. That's not their identity. I also don't see why they would want him when they already have a LT in Dunlap. No need to have that much money tied into the LT position. Drafting a back-up makes sense, like Tunsil, because he could take over in a year and play LG this year, but it doesn't make sense to trade for Monroe and then plug him at LG when he will likely get hurt again.

 

The ONLY way I see him having ANY trade value is if he's traded to a team that 1.) Hates the Ravens and think we suck, 2.) Thinks that he was put in a bad situation, 3.) He sells the team on the idea that he hated the Ravens and he didn't want to play for them, 4.) That team stupidly believes him, 5.) That team thinks we're dumb and incompetent and just didn't manage him right or put him in a spot to win and hampered him.

 

Honestly, that would have to be a pretty stupid or desperate GM. It could happen, though. 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

I honestly think Monroe has no trade value at all. Why would I, as a GM, trade for Monroe if I know he is likely to be cut? It makes no sense for me to do it. He has no value in my opinion. He should be cut, but I wouldn't cut him until after the draft. I have to say, if the reports are true, I'd keep him here doing nothing and just cut him after all the teams signed their guys and it's hard to make a team. Then again, that's not classy and that's not the Ravens way, so we will likely do the right thing and cut him and let him go early. 

 

I don't see any trade value at all. People mentioned the Chargers, but why would they want him? Lol, the Chargers look like they believe in having a nasty OL. They don't have finesse players on that OL. I can see the Broncos or even the Eagles, maybe, but not the Chargers. That's not their identity. I also don't see why they would want him when they already have a LT in Dunlap. No need to have that much money tied into the LT position. Drafting a back-up makes sense, like Tunsil, because he could take over in a year and play LG this year, but it doesn't make sense to trade for Monroe and then plug him at LG when he will likely get hurt again.

 

The ONLY way I see him having ANY trade value is if he's traded to a team that 1.) Hates the Ravens and think we suck, 2.) Thinks that he was put in a bad situation, 3.) He sells the team on the idea that he hated the Ravens and he didn't want to play for them, 4.) That team stupidly believes him, 5.) That team thinks we're dumb and incompetent and just didn't manage him right or put him in a spot to win and hampered him.

 

Honestly, that would have to be a pretty stupid or desperate GM. It could happen, though. 

Because the Chargers are desperate. And if I as a GM on draft day get an offer from a team that involves a LT that is knowingly starting caliber in addition to that first round pick a few picks back I'd think, "Gee, these guys are idiots for doing this. I could kill two birds with one stone". 

 

I do think a trade is more likely. Some team somewhere will lose a LT in free agency and bite knowing they cannot get a necessary LT in their current draft position. 

[GrimCoconut]

Because the Chargers are desperate. And if I as a GM on draft day get an offer from a team that involves a LT that is knowingly starting caliber in addition to that first round pick a few picks back I'd think, "Gee, these guys are idiots for doing this. I could kill two birds with one stone".

I do think a trade is more likely. Some team somewhere will lose a LT in free agency and bite knowing they cannot get a necessary LT in their current draft position.

Why would they want him if he can't even stay on the field here and they know we'll cut him? Why would the Chargers want him when they already invested into Dunlap?

[Baltimore RAYvens]

Does anyone legitimately think ko can be a starting caliber lt? In a pinch he may be ok but I think he would get washed by the quicker and more technical rushers

 

I wonder if it's a ploy more that anything to hopefully drive up his price tag in FA for a better comp pick

[Inqui]

I honestly think Monroe has no trade value at all. Why would I, as a GM, trade for Monroe if I know he is likely to be cut? It makes no sense for me to do it. He has no value in my opinion. He should be cut, but I wouldn't cut him until after the draft. I have to say, if the reports are true, I'd keep him here doing nothing and just cut him after all the teams signed their guys and it's hard to make a team. Then again, that's not classy and that's not the Ravens way, so we will likely do the right thing and cut him and let him go early. 

 

I don't see any trade value at all. People mentioned the Chargers, but why would they want him? Lol, the Chargers look like they believe in having a nasty OL. They don't have finesse players on that OL. I can see the Broncos or even the Eagles, maybe, but not the Chargers. That's not their identity. I also don't see why they would want him when they already have a LT in Dunlap. No need to have that much money tied into the LT position. Drafting a back-up makes sense, like Tunsil, because he could take over in a year and play LG this year, but it doesn't make sense to trade for Monroe and then plug him at LG when he will likely get hurt again.

 

The ONLY way I see him having ANY trade value is if he's traded to a team that 1.) Hates the Ravens and think we suck, 2.) Thinks that he was put in a bad situation, 3.) He sells the team on the idea that he hated the Ravens and he didn't want to play for them, 4.) That team stupidly believes him, 5.) That team thinks we're dumb and incompetent and just didn't manage him right or put him in a spot to win and hampered him.

 

Honestly, that would have to be a pretty stupid or desperate GM. It could happen, though. 

This is still what I'd do if I were Ozzie (yeah yeah I know I'm giving my game away if I get the Ravens in that offseason mock. I don't care. I'm not stifling discussion for the sake of that game), just stick with what I was planning to do before all this emerged. Grab a bargain basement place holder (albeit without having had a good look at names yet) and try get Tunsil or Ifedi or Le'Raven (or someone) in the draft and cut Monroe after next season, when doing so clears up a lot more space.

 

It'd be nice to re-sign KO because of the options it would provide, but I don't think cutting Monroe would really change whether or not we can make that happen (ie, if we were unable to sign KO I don't think we'd suddenly be able to keep him by cutting Monroe).

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Why would they want him if he can't even stay on the field here and they know we'll cut him? Why would the Chargers want him when they already invested into Dunlap?

Because Dunlap is less trustworthy than Monroe health wise and a lot better. And the Chargers would end up saving 2 million if cut next year. And a lot more post June 1st. 

 

It doesn't have to be San Diego.Hell, they might not even take Tunsil for all we know. But I still think that some desperate team will lose a LT in free agency and not have the opportunity to take one in the draft. 

[GrimCoconut]

This is still what I'd do if I were Ozzie (yeah yeah I know I'm giving my game away if I get the Ravens in that offseason mock. I don't care. I'm not stifling discussion for the sake of that game), just stick with what I was planning to do before all this emerged. Grab a bargain basement place holder (albeit without having had a good look at names yet) and try get Tunsil or Ifedi or Le'Raven (or someone) in the draft and cut Monroe after next season, when doing so clears up a lot more space.

 

It'd be nice to re-sign KO because of the options it would provide, but I don't think cutting Monroe would really change whether or not we can make that happen (ie, if we were unable to sign KO I don't think we'd suddenly be able to keep him by cutting Monroe).

This isn't exactly true but you're right. Cutting Monroe means you could, however, theoretically push KO's money into years you accounted for paying Monroe. In this way, yes, it does impact things. 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

I'm going to watch Stanley tape. If he's as good as I hear, we're probably going to take him.  

[GrimCoconut]

Because Dunlap is less trustworthy than Monroe health wise and a lot better. And the Chargers would end up saving 2 million if cut next year. And a lot more post June 1st. 

 

It doesn't have to be San Diego.Hell, they might not even take Tunsil for all we know. But I still think that some desperate team will lose a LT in free agency and not have the opportunity to take one in the draft. 

I just don't see the Chargers. I do think it's possible, but his unreliability really hurts him for us as a trade bait. The Falcons could be a nice fit. Maybe the Vikings could use him, who never saw what they hoped from Kalil. 

 

I just don't see much trade value, if any. Boldin got us a 6th and he was a good starter. I know LT is an important position, but I just don't see much value in a LT who has missed this many games. It really hurts his value.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Wow. Stanley is technically sound in pass pro. He's not nasty but will put people on the ground at times. Which is a good sign. He did more than hold his own vs Shaq Lawson, though did occasionally get beat. He appears to have quick feet and can not only respond to bull rush but also a speed rush. Once he gets his hands on the dlinemen or LB they aren't getting around him most of the time. I'd need more but his first impression vs Clemson is promising.

[GrimCoconut]

Wow. Stanley is technically sound in pass pro. He's not nasty but will put people on the ground at times. Which is a good sign. He did more than hold his own vs Shaq Lawson, though did occasionally get beat. He appears to have quick feet and can not only respond to bull rush but also a speed rush. Once he gets his hands on the dlinemen or LB they aren't getting around him most of the time. I'd need more but his first impression vs Clemson is promising.

My biggest gripe is he isn't nasty enough and he doesn't get as much push as you'd like in the ground game. 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

I just don't see the Chargers. I do think it's possible, but his unreliability really hurts him for us as a trade bait. The Falcons could be a nice fit. Maybe the Vikings could use him, who never saw what they hoped from Kalil. 

 

I just don't see much trade value, if any. Boldin got us a 6th and he was a good starter. I know LT is an important position, but I just don't see much value in a LT who has missed this many games. It really hurts his value.

It might, but still. Some desperate team will bite. LT is a rare commodity. And he's a good one. He never had one before coming here and quite frankly, everyone on the team is dropping like flies. So I don't see why a team wouldn't take a chance

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

My biggest gripe is he isn't nasty enough and he doesn't get as much push as you'd like in the ground game. 

I don't think he's nasty but I don't think he's soft attitude wise either. He will knock you down to the ground if given the chance. But I'm looking at him and I think he's a safe pick. I think Tunsil is a lot better, don't get me wrong. Tunsil plays like a Raven. But so does Stanley in a sense. He's very smart by the looks of it and can mirror pass rushers and is not bad run blocker. He's an ideal fit in a ZBS by the looks of it, but I think he could be scheme versatile. 

 

If we're in the top 3. I think he's the way to go if Tunsil is gone. Tunsil has more skill as a run blocker and is a nastier player, but Stanley doesn't appear to lack much in either department. He's honestly super boring to watch. That's how sound he is. Sure, there's room for improvement. 

 

I think his ceiling is high and his floor is high. The nastiness is a you thing. Sure, I'd like that, but that guy has talent. 

[GrimCoconut]

I don't think he's nasty but I don't think he's soft attitude wise either. He will knock you down to the ground if given the chance. But I'm looking at him and I think he's a safe pick. I think Tunsil is a lot better, don't get me wrong. Tunsil plays like a Raven. But so does Stanley in a sense. He's very smart by the looks of it and can mirror pass rushers and is not bad run blocker. He's an ideal fit in a ZBS by the looks of it, but I think he could be scheme versatile. 

 

If we're in the top 3. I think he's the way to go if Tunsil is gone. Tunsil has more skill as a run blocker and is a nastier player, but Stanley doesn't appear to lack much in either department. He's honestly super boring to watch. That's how sound he is. Sure, there's room for improvement. 

 

I think his ceiling is high and his floor is high. The nastiness is a you thing. Sure, I'd like that, but that guy has talent. 

Huh? It's a "you" thing? It's an important quality for an OL to have. 

 

Yeah, he has a high floor but I'd say he has a good but not high ceiling. That said, I wouldn't complain if we got him, but I don't see top-3. I think he's better than the LTs selected last year, though. All of them. He's probably one of the best LT in years. 

[Inqui]

This isn't exactly true but you're right. Cutting Monroe means you could, however, theoretically push KO's money into years you accounted for paying Monroe. In this way, yes, it does impact things. 

Yeah that's true I guess. One other thing I mentioned in the Monroe thread is that this coming season could be another year where we just eat bad contracts (Pitta and Webb say hi) and free up even more room for 2018 and beyond - which could give us a few options depending on how we structure KO's theoretical deal. I'm definitely not opposed to giving Monroe a napsack and telling him to embark on a soul-searching journey as he walks to another team, but it's a tough situation with him either way.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Huh? It's a "you" thing? It's an important quality for an OL to have. 

 

Yeah, he has a high floor but I'd say he has a good but not high ceiling. That said, I wouldn't complain if we got him, but I don't see top-3. I think he's better than the LTs selected last year, though. All of them. He's probably one of the best LT in years. 

No, I mean it's a you thing as in I think he has it. He's just not on a super level like Tunsil. He will bring you to the ground and put you in your place. He did it a few times vs. Clemson and it looks like he did it vs. USC. He saw him get some push on passing plays(shame he doesn't do it yet on running plays but no doubt he can fix that. Player this sound is usually coachable). He appears to be more quiet, but you can tell he certainly does a mean streak. He just appears to be more methodical which to me is just as good. I like smart olinemen lol. 

[Inqui]

Wow. Stanley is technically sound in pass pro. He's not nasty but will put people on the ground at times. Which is a good sign. He did more than hold his own vs Shaq Lawson, though did occasionally get beat. He appears to have quick feet and can not only respond to bull rush but also a speed rush. Once he gets his hands on the dlinemen or LB they aren't getting around him most of the time. I'd need more but his first impression vs Clemson is promising.

He's got a massive game coming up against Ohio State in the Fiesta Bowl on New Year's. Bosa will probably be facing the right side of the OL for the most part, but there'll be matchups during the game where the two have to just take each other on, and those snaps could be really telling for both players.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

He's got a massive game coming up against Ohio State in the Fiesta Bowl on New Year's. Bosa will probably be facing the right side of the OL for the most part, but there'll be matchups during the game where the two have to just take each other on, and those snaps could be really telling for both players.

The technically sound dlinemen vs oline, the dlinemen usually comes out as victorious. Should be fun

[allblackraven]

Wow. Stanley is technically sound in pass pro. He's not nasty but will put people on the ground at times. Which is a good sign. He did more than hold his own vs Shaq Lawson, though did occasionally get beat. He appears to have quick feet and can not only respond to bull rush but also a speed rush. Once he gets his hands on the dlinemen or LB they aren't getting around him most of the time. I'd need more but his first impression vs Clemson is promising.

I still want him over Tunsil, regardless of where we pick. Stanley is technically the best tackle in this class. His feet move better than some of the guys we've seen in our secondary over past two seasons. He'll get stronger in pros, no doubt.

[Inqui]

No, I mean it's a you thing as in I think he has it. He's just not on a super level like Tunsil. He will bring you to the ground and put you in your place. He did it a few times vs. Clemson and it looks like he did it vs. USC. He saw him get some push on passing plays(shame he doesn't do it yet on running plays but no doubt he can fix that. Player this sound is usually coachable). He appears to be more quiet, but you can tell he certainly does a mean streak. He just appears to be more methodical which to me is just as good. I like smart olinemen lol. 

Yeah, being quiet doesn't necessarily mean you lack the mean streak. A lot of players were surprised by our own JO. I definitely see more of that streak in Tunsil and that's a big part of why I think he'll be a top three pick for sure (where Stanley may slide to later in the top 10), but I agree with most of what you've just said.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Plus Grim. Since he has shown he will knock you down(I mean, if he does it there is clearly a willingness to do it), I'm thinking it's more along the lines of, "I could knock you down, but you're not going anywhere anyway. It'd be a waste of my energy.". I mean, he's clearly a smart guy. Doesn't that kind of scare you? A guy who knows hes; good enough to beat you without playing his best hands. From what I remember of JO, that's how he was. Once he got his hands on you, you went nowhere. 

 

 

 

I'll take that any day of the week over Monroe. 

That said, Tunsil has that, plus the nastiness. Part of the reason I like him more. But damn, Stanley is impressive.

[JoeyFlex5]

Wow. Stanley is technically sound in pass pro. He's not nasty but will put people on the ground at times. Which is a good sign. He did more than hold his own vs Shaq Lawson, though did occasionally get beat. He appears to have quick feet and can not only respond to bull rush but also a speed rush. Once he gets his hands on the dlinemen or LB they aren't getting around him most of the time. I'd need more but his first impression vs Clemson is promising.

i really worry about him facing grown men with grown man strength, he definitely needs to get in the weight room, but the good news is he appears to have plenty of room to physically develop. i dont know if he'll ever be the type to get consistent push in the run game, but i think he completely eliminates guys that depend on finesse and first step for pressure, i just worry about him facing edge rushers that bring a mean bullrush

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Yeah, being quiet doesn't necessarily mean you lack the mean streak. A lot of players were surprised by our own JO. I definitely see more of that streak in Tunsil and that's a big part of why I think he'll be a top three pick for sure (where Stanley may slide to later in the top 10), but I agree with most of what you've just said.

Exactly! JO didn't necessarily have a mean streak, but that doesn't mean he wasn't nasty. He knocked you on the ground but preferred to  toy with you the moment he got his hands on you. At least from what I remember. 

 

i really worry about him facing grown men with grown man strength, he definitely needs to get in the weight room, but the good news is he appears to have plenty of room to physically develop. i dont know if he'll ever be the type to get consistent push in the run game, but i think he completely eliminates guys that depend on finesse and first step for pressure, i just worry about him facing edge rushers that bring a mean bullrush

That'll happen the moment he hits an nfl weight room. I'm not worried.

[PurpleCity5]

I don't see a top 3 pick in Stanley like I do in Tunsil. I think what we need in an OL is a guy who is nasty. We need a mauler on this OL and I don't see one outside of Tunsil in the top 5 sadly. I don't think Stanley fits in what Castillo or the team wants in an OT.

[ravefan52]

Monroe's pissing me off. We should be set at LT and focusing on WR, OLB and DB, but now we might not have a LT. If Monroe's gone then it's our biggest need. This is really setting us back quite a bit.

[Inqui]

The technically sound dlinemen vs oline, the dlinemen usually comes out as victorious. Should be fun

I'm legitimately more excited about that game (and Ole Miss v OK State in the Sugar Bowl) than I have been about any NFL game this season. Maybe Broncos v Ravens, but a lengthy offseason will do that to you so I'm not sure it counts.