The top need this offseason is....

[January J]

Yeah, if we sign KO and use him as a budget LT going forward that could give us a few options. I'd imagine that's where we see him for the last three games of the season while we establish if he's any good there and get an idea of whether he's worth giving a boatload of money to (I keep coming back to that five-year $35 million contract Ben Grubbs got and imagine we'd need to fork out something similar, and that's not something you want to do lightly with Monroe's money still on the books).

damn I had no idea they moved him there today. That might change the game a bit this offseason if he continues to do well.

[allblackraven]

I get the desire for LT, especially if the Monroe stuff is true.  You just can't trot Hurst out there anymore.

 

However, pass rush is still absolutely huge.  Russell Wilson had incredible amounts of time in the pocket today and that in turn made our secondary look even worse than they really are.

I wouldn't mind two pass rushers. Not at all.

[Wildabeast88]

I get the desire for LT, especially if the Monroe stuff is true.  You just can't trot Hurst out there anymore.

 

However, pass rush is still absolutely huge.  Russell Wilson had incredible amounts of time in the pocket today and that in turn made our secondary look even worse than they really are.

I totally agree that's why I was thinking about KO to LT that way we can address the needs of pass rush or secondary although going Ramsey and getting someone like Spence in the 2nd is something I have been thinking about lately

[rmw10]

I can get behind that, and it's not like the Seahawks OL is up there with the Cowboys either.

 

Tbh though, I still hope we just go BPA. Which I see being Bosa or Tunsil if they're there.

 

Yep, same here.  I wouldn't be upset if the pick was LT, DB, or pass rusher.  I think those are the obvious huge holes to fill and that's conveniently where the top end talent is in this draft.

[DomMcRaven]

Depends on the mood for me. For now, I'm saying OLB. 

[Ulawun]

I've been on the WR in round one bandwagon. Then I keep watching Webb play....

[ludy51]

Playmakers. On O or D I don't care. Just someone who can make a difference

[January J]

How about defensive coordinator?

No but seriously in the gritty afc north I think it's most important to be strong in the trenches. KO moving to LT is a nice thought but I still believe we won't be able to fulfill the payday he's about to require. Tunsil- or trade back and get Stanley. If we do somehow retain KO then the next biggest need is a strong pass rush. In turn that will make our secondary look better.

[Winchester]

A new and intelligent GM.

[Purple Punishment]

FS CB Pass Rush, new C would be nice

Edited December 14, 2015 by Purple Punishment

[PurpleCity5]

I have to go with pass rush. I cannot believe we could not get any pressure against a Seahawks OL that even though improved have struggled for most of the the year. I can not believe we gave them that amount of time and outside of Doom no one else could even get to Wilson, it's insane. 

[JoeyFlex5]

Does anyone legitimately think ko can be a starting caliber lt? In a pinch he may be ok but I think he would get washed by the quicker and more technical rushers

[PurpleCity5]

Does anyone legitimately think ko can be a starting caliber lt? In a pinch he may be ok but I think he would get washed by the quicker and more technical rushers

I think his technique was a bit sloppy at the start but as the game progressed he got better. I personally would not be upset, I think as a guard he is a goner but these last three games can be really telling for him at LT. If he excels then I can see us opting to keep him. 

[Deflated Football]

I think his technique was a bit sloppy at the start but as the game progressed he got better. I personally would not be upset, I think as a guard he is a goner but these last three games can be really telling for him at LT. If he excels then I can see us opting to keep him.

But wouldn't he be paid even more as a LT instead of a Guard? I don't think we can afford him either way which sucks because games are won in the trenches and he's a key asset

[PurpleCity5]

But wouldn't he be paid even more as a LT instead of a Guard? I don't think we can afford him either way which sucks because games are won in the trenches and he's a key asset

I don't see us paying him as a premier LT simply because he has not played like one. If we were to keep him it would probably be a deal we intended to give him as if he was an OG. 

 

I'm leaning towards him leaving but if he excels at LT then I think we are open to it. He does have the qualities that you want in a LT, quick, lean, nasty and tough. 

[rmw10]

I don't see us paying him as a premier LT simply because he has not played like one. If we were to keep him it would probably be a deal we intended to give him as if he was an OG. 

 

I'm leaning towards him leaving but if he excels at LT then I think we are open to it. He does have the qualities that you want in a LT, quick, lean, nasty and tough. 

 

Good time to experiment with it.

 

I do think it kind of changes things if they view him as an option at LT.  I think it's clear they no longer view Hurst as a capable option (can't believe it took this long...) and with Monroe on the outs, we need to address the position somehow and KO just might be it for now.  It might give us the option to keep him at LT if necessary, but also allows us to move him back inside if one of Tunsil or Stanley are the pick.

[PurpleCity5]

Good time to experiment with it.

 

I do think it kind of changes things if they view him as an option at LT.  I think it's clear they no longer view Hurst as a capable option (can't believe it took this long...) and with Monroe on the outs, we need to address the position somehow and KO just might be it for now.  It might give us the option to keep him at LT if necessary, but also allows us to move him back inside if one of Tunsil or Stanley are the pick.

Very good point. If K.O does excels then I see him as a realistic option. As much as it sucks sometimes you need a step up guy. We need a LT, WR, CB, OLB, and FS. Sometimes you can't fix everything. If we believe Tunsil is gone by the time we pick and Monroe being gone while tight against the cap, then I think K.O could be your only realistic option. I also see it being helpful if Tunsil is there as well as K.O serves as a backup plan in the event Tunsil is not there. 

Edited December 14, 2015 by PurpleCity5

[rmw10]

Very good point. If K.O does excels then I see him as a realistic option. As much as it sucks sometimes you need a step up guy. We need a LT, WR, CB, OLB, and FS. Sometimes you can't fix everything. If we believe Tunsil is gone by the time we pick and Monroe being gone while tight against the cap, then I think K.O could be your only realistic option. I also see it being helpful if Tunsil is there as well as K.O serves as a backup plan in the event Tunsil is not there. 

 

Yep.  Best case scenario, we lock KO up and end up getting a LT anyways.  That keeps a strong OL together since we can move KO back inside.  Worst case scenario, KO can stay at LT, assuming he does well the rest of the year and he's viewed as a viable option.

[PurpleCity5]

Yep.  Best case scenario, we lock KO up and end up getting a LT anyways.  That keeps a strong OL together since we can move KO back inside.  Worst case scenario, KO can stay at LT, assuming he does well the rest of the year and he's viewed as a viable option.

I think those are our only choices, I personally don't think our worst case scenario isn't all that bad honestly. 

[GrimCoconut]

Yeah, if we sign KO and use him as a budget LT going forward that could give us a few options. I'd imagine that's where we see him for the last three games of the season while we establish if he's any good there and get an idea of whether he's worth giving a boatload of money to (I keep coming back to that five-year $35 million contract Ben Grubbs got and imagine we'd need to fork out something similar, and that's not something you want to do lightly with Monroe's money still on the books).

I think the Ravens are officially sick of the Eugene Monroe injuries. I can't say for sure, but I really do think the team is getting tired of it. Just a hunch on my part. I have absolutely nothing concrete to back up that claim. I want to make that clear.

[GrimCoconut]

Very good point. If K.O does excels then I see him as a realistic option. As much as it sucks sometimes you need a step up guy. We need a LT, WR, CB, OLB, and FS. Sometimes you can't fix everything. If we believe Tunsil is gone by the time we pick and Monroe being gone while tight against the cap, then I think K.O could be your only realistic option. I also see it being helpful if Tunsil is there as well as K.O serves as a backup plan in the event Tunsil is not there. 

Yep.  Best case scenario, we lock KO up and end up getting a LT anyways.  That keeps a strong OL together since we can move KO back inside.  Worst case scenario, KO can stay at LT, assuming he does well the rest of the year and he's viewed as a viable option.

Here's my only problem: KO has had injuries himself. Second, KO could also price himself out of our range if he does well at LT. It's easy to say we could pay him LG money or something like that, but what if he and his agent get together and say he can play LT? He could get very very good money. We saw what Collins got (ended up as a 4th round compensatory pick for the Bengals) as a back-up LT. If KO proves to be a legitimate option there, he could command better money because of his ability to play RT, LG, & now LT. If Michael Oher got 20/4, then he (KO) could very likely do even better than that. 

[rmw10]

Here's my only problem: KO has had injuries himself. Second, KO could also price himself out of our range if he does well at LT. It's easy to say we could pay him LG money or something like that, but what if he and his agent get together and say he can play LT? He could get very very good money. We saw what Collins got (ended up as a 4th round compensatory pick for the Bengals) as a back-up LT. If KO proves to be a legitimate option there, he could command better money because of his ability to play RT, LG, & now LT. If Michael Oher got 20/4, then he (KO) could very likely do even better than that.

He might command LT money, but hey, we're going to have to pay it. We can't wait around for the draft so we're going to have to pay someone to play there.

[PurpleCity5]

Here's my only problem: KO has had injuries himself. Second, KO could also price himself out of our range if he does well at LT. It's easy to say we could pay him LG money or something like that, but what if he and his agent get together and say he can play LT? He could get very very good money. We saw what Collins got (ended up as a 4th round compensatory pick for the Bengals) as a back-up LT. If KO proves to be a legitimate option there, he could command better money because of his ability to play RT, LG, & now LT. If Michael Oher got 20/4, then he (KO) could very likely do even better than that.

I agree with RMW, we are in a tough spot and I agree, K.O has his problems with injuries but unlike Monroe they aren't as bad as his and he fits the identity of this offense. I don't want to wait till the draft only to see the best LT come off the board and be stuck with Hurst **Cringes**.

[GrimCoconut]

He might command LT money, but hey, we're going to have to pay it. We can't wait around for the draft so we're going to have to pay someone to play there.

Something happen to Monroe? It sounds like he's gone, according to your statements. 

 

That's not sarcasm. I've been busy these past couple days and didn't even watch the game except a little today. Had to turn in assignments for my final week of class. Just finished and I can breathe easy. 

[rmw10]

Something happen to Monroe? It sounds like he's gone, according to your statements.

That's not sarcasm. I've been busy these past couple days and didn't even watch the game except a little today. Had to turn in assignments for my final week of class. Just finished and I can breathe easy.

Yeah it sounds like he's on his way out. Disconnect between him and the organization. They asked him to restructure and Monroe said no. Apparently they don't feel he exemplifies a "Raven." Lots of reports from guys like Wilson and Zrebiec that it's best for both parties to sever ties.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Something happen to Monroe? It sounds like he's gone, according to your statements. 

 

That's not sarcasm. I've been busy these past couple days and didn't even watch the game except a little today. Had to turn in assignments for my final week of class. Just finished and I can breathe easy. 

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/ravens-insider/bal-eugene-monroes-future-uncertain-with-ravens-20151211-story.html

 

Well.....  You have no idea..

 

I want to retain KO now more than now. 

[Inqui]

I think the Ravens are officially sick of the Eugene Monroe injuries. I can't say for sure, but I really do think the team is getting tired of it. Just a hunch on my part. I have absolutely nothing concrete to back up that claim. I want to make that clear.

I think even the Ravens water boys are sick of Monroe's injuries. It's just a question of what the FO can physically do with him, since his cap hit nearly makes him not worth the effort of cutting next season - even with his injuries (per Spotrac we'd clear $2 million but keep nearly $7 million of dead money on the books). It's kind of a Siberian dilemma, where you freeze to death in a week if you rely on using him at LT but you freeze to death in two weeks if you cut him and create another hole that has to be filled this offseason.

[52520Andrew]

I can get behind that, and it's not like the Seahawks OL is up there with the Cowboys either.

Tbh though, I still hope we just go BPA. Which I see being Bosa or Tunsil if they're there.

Yeah that Seattle line is not that good, telling when we can't get a pass rush on them

[GrimCoconut]

Yeah it sounds like he's on his way out. Disconnect between him and the organization. They asked him to restructure and Monroe said no. Apparently they don't feel he exemplifies a "Raven." Lots of reports from guys like Wilson and Zrebiec that it's best for both parties to sever ties.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/ravens-insider/bal-eugene-monroes-future-uncertain-with-ravens-20151211-story.html

 

Well.....  You have no idea..

 

I want to retain KO now more than now. 

Yeah, I just read through that thread after my reply to rmw because I figured the answer was there. Wow, I'm really disappointed in Monroe. I can't fault him honestly for declining to restructure. He has the right to say no. What bothers me is everything else with his decision to decline the restructure. He doesn't sound like a team player at all. He sounds like a jerk. I don't want him here at all if that's the case. I can't see us getting anything for him, though. Why would a team trade for him if they know he's already gone? Kinda stupid, I think. He hasn't been healthy, either. I can't see why anyone would trade for Monroe if they think he won't do anything for their team, which seems evident due to how he is playing (or not) here. 

 

I do think this changes things with KO. 

I think even the Ravens water boys are sick of Monroe's injuries. It's just a question of what the FO can physically do with him, since his cap hit nearly makes him not worth the effort of cutting next season - even with his injuries (per Spotrac we'd clear $2 million but keep nearly $7 million of dead money on the books). It's kind of a Siberian dilemma, where you freeze to death in a week if you rely on using him at LT but you freeze to death in two weeks if you cut him and create another hole that has to be filled this offseason.

Lol, I find it funny that I ignorantly post that comment and then find out how right I was. I have to admit, that's pretty funny to me. I honestly didn't have any idea. I was practically living under a rock. Pretty amusing. 

 

I think Monroe needs to go. 

[GrimCoconut]

I'd really like us to sign Cordy Glenn this off-season, but I think it's hard to do that if KO is playing well at LT. That essentially means that it would be tough to pass on signing KO back and hope Glenn is available and he signs cheaper, or even that he isn't in it for the money. With KO, at least we know what we're getting. Lately, it seems like all the contracts we do just end up biting us back in the end, though--even our own.

 

Sad times here.