[News] Late For Work 12/8: Future Of Ravens Left Tackle Position In Doubt?

[The Mom Gene]

Sure but his PFF grade wasn't based soley on that play.  It was based on all of the plays (not very many) where he was in the game before he went out.  Even the plays where he was just blocking or running decoy routes.

I did not say that it was "because"...  For the little amount of time he was in...  single digit snaps before going down, doesn't warrant that grade.

[verified]

another draft of nothing but regular players for ozzie. I think hes lost his touch as GM. Hes a terrible talent evaluator

[billiejean]

I did not say htat it was "because"...  For the little amount of time he as in...  single digit snaps before going down, doesn't warrant that grade.

Well somebody took the time to look at each of those plays and watched only what Crockett was doing on each one, and gave him a grade on his performance.  Then another person that was also fixated on Crockett, watched all of his plays and gave him a grade.  They then came together, looked at each others notes and gave him the final grade for the game.  It doesn't mean Crockett is a bad player, it just means that for those seven plays where he was on the field (mostly were blocking plays) he made more mistakes than he had positive plays.  But i see what you are saying.  When you have such a small sample size it is difficult to pass judgement on a player based solely on a handful of plays.  I mean if he finished the game, the grade would be totally different (probably in the plus category) because it would be taking into consideration a larger amount of plays.  I wouldn't discount PFF as a tool to measure a players success though.  Really the best barometer of a players success is given at the end of the year.  This number totals up all of the game grades and gives the player a grade for the season.  The larger sample size and all of the data that is contained in this final number is one of the best ways to evaluate a players success. 

[harfordravenfan]

We don't need a new starting LT... we just need to upgrade the depth at our tackle spots.

 

gotta disagree with ya this time rmc. IMO if we can snag one of the top 2 tackles of the draft... I am all for it

[rmcjacket23]

gotta disagree with ya this time rmc. IMO if we can snag one of the top 2 tackles of the draft... I am all for it

Just be prepared for the struggles that come with it...

[NCMan]

another draft of nothing but regular players for ozzie. I think hes lost his touch as GM. Hes a terrible talent evaluator

No way he's terrible at it it, but I do feel it's time for him to ride off into the sunset and believe that he indeed will after this season. 

[NCMan]

So, again, who plays LT?

I hear the Panthers have some fellow working out pretty good for them. And on the left side.....go figure. Not that he'd be available....just sayin'......

[balfan23]

On the draft class ... the article mentions Carl Davis and that he's faded. Wow ... its crazy, I totally forgot about him. Perhaps because we have been playing well enough up front I haven't noticed.

[ellicottraven]

Unfortunately Monroe has put the Ravens in a quandary. Now, instead of solidifying our defense or getting a great WR in the first round, we may very well have to draft a LT. Maybe it is for the best. This is the reason why we should never award big contracts to players from other teams. Hey at least we are batting 0.500 with respect to Jacksonville hires with D. Smith being the antithesis of Monroe in every respect.

[RavensBaltimore]

Just be prepared for the struggles that come with it...

As opposed to the dependable, high quality play we've been getting from Monroe?

[ravenbran]

OK.... the PFF Grades.... now I can actually say that I can discount them as being somewhat of a non-factor for me... Giving Crockett a -2 when he goes down in the first quarter with an injury wouldn't necessarily constitute a negative grade in my book. Just sayin guys.

Havent any you all learned by now that PFF is pretty much a joke. They dont know what they are talking about and they just want to fleece individuals for money that are dumb enough to think they do.

[The Mom Gene]

Havent any you all learned by now that PFF is pretty much a joke. They dont know what they are talking about and they just want to fleece individuals for money that are dumb enough to think they do.

Thank you.  Never did give them the credit they crave.  This was just a justification for me.

[rmcjacket23]

As opposed to the dependable, high quality play we've been getting from Monroe?

Largely, yes. If I'm basing it off the rookie year production I've been seeing out of highly drafted LTs recently, I'd rather have 10-12 games of average production from Monroe to be honest.

 

I'm not even necessarily opposed to taking a LT in the top 10. I have zero doubt that people will literally expect a Joe Thomas-clone to walk out onto that field in week 1 for us with a top 10 pick, and that's an unreasonable expectation.

 

Could easily take a full year or two before we see quality play from a guy like that, and its also possible we never do. Same could be said for any position, except not every position can get your QB killed.

[GENE2407]

This guy Monroe's a nightmare. He got a big contract and has barely played 35% of the snaps. When he does play, he's average to below average. Time to move on. How do we replace him? That's not the question, he's already been replaced by Hurst. The question is, how do we replace Hurst (who's been awful)? I wouldn't be opposed to Wagner or Yanda or Osemele trying it out. Hell they couldn't be ANY worse that what we have.

[ravenbran]

Largely, yes. If I'm basing it off the rookie year production I've been seeing out of highly drafted LTs recently, I'd rather have 10-12 games of average production from Monroe to be honest.

 

I'm not even necessarily opposed to taking a LT in the top 10.I have zero doubt that people will literally expect a Joe Thomas-clone to walk out onto that field in week 1 for us with a top 10 pick, and that's an unreasonable expectation.

 

Could easily take a full year or two before we see quality play from a guy like that, and its also possible we never do. Same could be said for any position, except not every position can get your QB killed.

Finally I have found someone that has some football sense!!!!!!! Yea!

[RavensBaltimore]

Largely, yes. If I'm basing it off the rookie year production I've been seeing out of highly drafted LTs recently, I'd rather have 10-12 games of average production from Monroe to be honest.

 

I'm not even necessarily opposed to taking a LT in the top 10.I have zero doubt that people will literally expect a Joe Thomas-clone to walk out onto that field in week 1 for us with a top 10 pick, and that's an unreasonable expectation.

 

Could easily take a full year or two before we see quality play from a guy like that, and its also possible we never do. Same could be said for any position, except not every position can get your QB killed.

Overall, the LT play the last couple years has been far less than average, and we are paying a lot of money for it. Keep in mind, we had an undrafted rookie start for Monroe in 2 playoff games, and there wasn't even that much dropoff. In fact, Monroe was reportedly healthy and available for the divisional game, and Harbaugh chose to keep him out. I wouldn't expect a rookie LT to come in and dominate right away, but I don't think it's unrealistic at all to expect an early first rounder to play at least almost as well as the Monroe/Hurst combination has the last couple years, and it would be much cheaper. I'm not saying we reach for a LT in the draft, but if it happened that a LT was the BPA, I'd have no problem with it. The real problem I see with the "trade Monroe" scenarios people are suggesting is that I don't think anyone would be willing to give us a draft pick and take on his contract for us. 

[rmcjacket23]

Overall, the LT play the last couple years has been far less than average, and we are paying a lot of money for it. Keep in mind, we had an undrafted rookie start for Monroe in 2 playoff games, and there wasn't even that much dropoff. In fact, Monroe was reportedly healthy and available for the divisional game, and Harbaugh chose to keep him out. I wouldn't expect a rookie LT to come in and dominate right away, but I don't think it's unrealistic at all to expect an early first rounder to play at least almost as well as the Monroe/Hurst combination has the last couple years, and it would be much cheaper. I'm not saying we reach for a LT in the draft, but if it happened that a LT was the BPA, I'd have no problem with it. The real problem I see with the "trade Monroe" scenarios people are suggesting is that I don't think anyone would be willing to give us a draft pick and take on his contract for us. 

Well, realistically, his contract isn't that big... he's paid pretty much as an average LT, which when hes healthy, that's what he is.

 

Hurst is fine in the playoffs last season, but I'd also say he's been far worse this year than last, which isn't good.

[billiejean]

Havent any you all learned by now that PFF is pretty much a joke. They dont know what they are talking about and they just want to fleece individuals for money that are dumb enough to think they do.

Well we obviously don't have to pay for them because they post them on here every week.  I would really like to hear more about why you think they are a joke.  Read this .. https://www.profootballfocus.com/about/how-we-grade/and tell me how grading every single play that a player plays throughout the whole season is a joke.  When you look at peoples PFF grades at the end of the year it is an accurate assessment of each players skills.  The people that don't understand PFF are the people that diss it, especially when they think a player that they like should get a higher grade. The only thing that PFF can't grade is effort and character.

Edited December 9, 2015 by billiejean

[mhead66]

I read somewhere that over the past 5 or 6 games we have the top 5 secondary in the NFL in terms of points/yards allowed. They are not as bad as they were when we ended last year or began this one. If that is true then why would we need Cary Williams?

That may be true, but consider this: the past 5 games have been against the 3-9 Chargers (W), the 4-8 Jags (L), the 4-8 Rams (W), the 2-10 Browns (W) and the 5-7 Dolphins (L).  Not exactly elite competition - and the QBs included Blake Bortles, Case Keenum and Josh McCown.  I wouldn't make too many conclusions about our "improved" secondary against that competition.

[purpledown]

Monroe has to take a pay cut to be on the team next season, a huge paycut.

[harfordravenfan]

Largely, yes. If I'm basing it off the rookie year production I've been seeing out of highly drafted LTs recently, I'd rather have 10-12 games of average production from Monroe to be honest.

 

I'm not even necessarily opposed to taking a LT in the top 10. I have zero doubt that people will literally expect a Joe Thomas-clone to walk out onto that field in week 1 for us with a top 10 pick, and that's an unreasonable expectation.

 

Could easily take a full year or two before we see quality play from a guy like that, and its also possible we never do. Same could be said for any position, except not every position can get your QB killed.

 

I'd also be surprised if we drafted a LT and they played that position the first year. We have (scary thought) Monroe for another year or we could  potentially pick up a vet for a year if needed and the LT drafted could slide to LG for us for the year