new mock draft - week 13 standings

[JoeyFlex5]

the cowboys did us a favor tonight, as of now we are 4th overall. 

 

1. Cleveland - Joey Bosa, rumor has it the FO wants to give johnny failball a shot without pettine intervening, and their pass rush has flatlined, obvious choice here.

 

2. Tennessee - Laremy Tunsil, i see no other reasonable options unless they think VERY highly of vh3 or ramsey 

 

3. San Diego - Robert Nkemdiche, i doubt many teams are taking stanley top 3, and it mostly comes down to nkemdiche to get some desperately needed help on the DL, or ramsey to replace weddle, they go with the higher ceiling guy in the trenches 

 

4. AND THE BALTIMORE RAVENS SELECT.... 

 

our guy, VH3. clear BPA right here, i truly believe he is the next revis. he goes a long way in tying together our secondary, most refined college corner ive ever seen. 

 

ROUND 2: 

 

Yannick Ngakoue, Edge. possibly the most underrated defender in this draft, come combine time, that will no longer be the case, he will fly up boards and the ravens buy into the hype, some home grown pass rush, this guy looks the part of a ravens OLB, playing in our front seven i think he may have around 8 sacks as a rookie, great athlete and more polished than the average 2nd round edge rusher, great first step, great speed to power, great at turning the corner and finishing, works well taking the inside lane after selling the bend. the only flaw i see in his game is shoddy tackling in the run game, he makes the tackle but he wraps up and deadweights ballcarriers rather than driving tackles. 

 

ROUND 3: 

 

Pharoh Cooper, WR. 

another underrated player, 5'10" but plays much bigger, good burst and solid top end speed, tough.as.nails. love the grit of this kid. plays the ball great, from what ive seen he appears to have vice grips for hands, he would make a good #2 and chain mover, i think he could really grow with joe, he likes the short feisty guys with sick body control and good hands. could do with a little route refinement, he doesnt drop his hips at all, but he has some elusiveness and speed control to his game to suggest he has lots of room for improvement there. steal. 

 

ROUND 4:

pick 1: De'Runnya Wilson, WR. big time playmaker, wingspan guy, good hands, plays physical, just seems to do everything well, reminds me of mohammed sanu a bit. 

 

pick 2: Evan Boehm, C. KO walks and urschel takes over at LG, we have a contingency for zuttah if he decides to catch the bug again and we have a future starting C when his contract is up, some future stability, not a swing guy nor is he viewed as an "elite" prospect so he will easily fall much farther than he should, but yet another steal. 

 

[PurpleCity5]

I really like this mock. You already know how I feel about Hargreaves, I think he's the best player in this draft as far as floor goes.

Cooper is a very underrated WR, I like him and I feel that in the 3rd round he presents good value. He could be a legit No.3 behind Smitty/FA-WR.

I'm also a fan of Yannick and I agree, he is fairly underrated. Him and Carl Lawson are my favorite 2nd round OLB.

I haven't seen the other guys, I'll have to watch them.

[JoeyFlex5]

yeah i thought about carl lawson as well, i like him better actually, but im under the impression that he returns for another year and if he stays healthy he is a lock for top 20, hes actually my favorite "true" 3-4olb in college right now

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

 

Rest of draft

Oh, and a mock offseason

Resign, Tucker, Aiken, Givens. We need depth sadly
Cut Webb, Daryl, and Forsett(I think Buck can be a starter).

Sign:
Olivier Vernon DE
Pierre Garcon WR
Zach Brown ILB


Round Two: Yannick Ngaukoue OLB

This guy is tailor made for our defense. He has held his own against two current olinmen in the NFL(Peat, and Brandon Scherref), and is a very definition of an attack dog. His burst off the line of scrimmage is very impressive, and he holds the edge well for a college player. Yes. I understand he's from Maryland, a joke of a football school. But Brandon Williams came from a tiny school and turned dominant. Randy Moss went to Marshall. Who cares where these people come from? Ngaukoue has talent, and has skills, and honestly. He plays like a Raven. He'd be a hell of an addition to the squad.


Round Three: Pharoh Cooper WR
I like Cooper a lot and he does not seem to get much love. Understandably so. He's very good though, some aspects of his game remind me of a Randall Cobb. Others remind me of TY Hilton. The guy is explosive with open space. Not much long speed, and he's quicker than fast which is fine. We could use an intermediate threat over the middle.

Round Four: Karl Joseph Safety
If Terrance Brooks does not pan out, we need a contingency plan. Joseph may be small like Elam but actually has ball and coverage skills, and was leading the nation in interceptions. He needs to get a lot bigger, but he can actually defend the deep ball..

Round Four Comp: Ryan Kelly Center Alabama

Ozzie Newsome always takes an Alabama player in the upper rounds. And he takes a good one here. Bama's oline is opening up massive holes for Henry the size of Texas. From what I have seen of Kelly, I think he could fit in with us. He appears to have more power and Urschel would step back in the guard position.

There you have it.

 

My first pick in this was VH3.... 

[JoeyFlex5]

Lmao seriously?? I swear I just came up with this after the cowboys won and I looked over some rankings and boards around the interwebz... That is a quite the coincidence

[Winchester]

Not a big vh3 fan. I like him but but ravens need to much at WR and the line of scrimmage. I do not see a cornerback making a big dent in total team success. Especially with 2 goldmines and a diamond mine already going to the position!! And a weak fading qb rush. VH3 would have to be the clear best cornerback in the NFL to make a dent. Most of the great cornerbacks in the NFL are backed up by very good free safety's and LBs that can cover and a rush. Tunsil is my guy here. Ravens can not go into 2016 with Hurst and Monroe!!

[JoeyFlex5]

Winchester, I know this same response has been beaten to death, but...

How do you suggest we take a player who is not there....

[sflegend89]

After watching more game tape on VH3 I think the love affair has gone a little too far, I don't think he's quite the shutdown guy he's portrayed as currently. Amazing athlete, I think the draw on him is how good he COULD be, he's just 20 years old and has a great skill set for a corner. Also returns kicks and even plays some snaps on offense, really dynamic player.

 

This may be against the narrative as of late on here but I do think Ramsey is the better player though and obviously he can play both CB and FS. VH3 has been the sexy pick on these boards but I really do think Ramsey will go before him, I think he's every bit the athlete VH3 is but he also has that added size/length and tackles like a LB. I've seen VH3 have some trouble with bigger/physical WR's, that will never be an issue for Ramsey, nobody is going to push him around or beat him on a jump ball because of his size. I love the Patrick Peterson comparison for Ramsey, that's really who he reminds me of a lot.

[ngatainmyhouse]

the cowboys did us a favor tonight, as of now we are 4th overall. 

 

1. Cleveland - Joey Bosa, rumor has it the FO wants to give johnny failball a shot without pettine intervening, and their pass rush has flatlined, obvious choice here.

 

2. Tennessee - Laremy Tunsil, i see no other reasonable options unless they think VERY highly of vh3 or ramsey 

 

3. San Diego - Robert Nkemdiche, i doubt many teams are taking stanley top 3, and it mostly comes down to nkemdiche to get some desperately needed help on the DL, or ramsey to replace weddle, they go with the higher ceiling guy in the trenches 

 

4. AND THE BALTIMORE RAVENS SELECT.... 

 

our guy, VH3. clear BPA right here, i truly believe he is the next revis. he goes a long way in tying together our secondary, most refined college corner ive ever seen. 

 

ROUND 2:

 

Yannick Ngakoue, Edge. possibly the most underrated defender in this draft, come combine time, that will no longer be the case, he will fly up boards and the ravens buy into the hype, some home grown pass rush, this guy looks the part of a ravens OLB, playing in our front seven i think he may have around 8 sacks as a rookie, great athlete and more polished than the average 2nd round edge rusher, great first step, great speed to power, great at turning the corner and finishing, works well taking the inside lane after selling the bend. the only flaw i see in his game is shoddy tackling in the run game, he makes the tackle but he wraps up and deadweights ballcarriers rather than driving tackles. 

 

ROUND 3: 

 

Pharoh Cooper, WR. 

another underrated player, 5'10" but plays much bigger, good burst and solid top end speed, tough.as.nails. love the grit of this kid. plays the ball great, from what ive seen he appears to have vice grips for hands, he would make a good #2 and chain mover, i think he could really grow with joe, he likes the short feisty guys with sick body control and good hands. could do with a little route refinement, he doesnt drop his hips at all, but he has some elusiveness and speed control to his game to suggest he has lots of room for improvement there. steal. 

 

ROUND 4:

pick 1: De'Runnya Wilson, WR. big time playmaker, wingspan guy, good hands, plays physical, just seems to do everything well, reminds me of mohammed sanu a bit. 

 

pick 2: Evan Boehm, C. KO walks and urschel takes over at LG, we have a contingency for zuttah if he decides to catch the bug again and we have a future starting C when his contract is up, some future stability, not a swing guy nor is he viewed as an "elite" prospect so he will easily fall much farther than he should, but yet another steal. 

 

I would love for the Ravens to get Tunsil but there's a slim chance he drops to four. If Bosa and Nkemdiche are available at four do you see them sticking with VH3 or taking one of those two?

[JoeyFlex5]

I would love for the Ravens to get Tunsil but there's a slim chance he drops to four. If Bosa and Nkemdiche are available at four do you see them sticking with VH3 or taking one of those two?

i think the ravens have tunsil and bosa as 1a and 1b on their board, i dont think nkemdiche is anywhere near that, i would think the board goes: tunsil, bosa, vh3, ramsey, stanley, ogbah, nkemdiche. i just dont think the ravens are gonna be very high on nkemdiche because he has a lot of flaws that are a cause for concern when we are likely gonna ask him to 2-gap

[GrimCoconut]

I love Yannick! He's terribly underrated you're right. I go to College Park and I even forgot about him. I actually like him more than most of the guys widely seen as first round talents. He's done well against NFL talent. I will now hang my head in shame as a Terps fan for forgetting him

Edited December 8, 2015 by GrimCoconut

[sflegend89]

I like Yannick as well but he could be a stretch at the top of the 2nd round though. We'll have to see how the combine and everything plays out but I think there will be a few 1st rounder talents floating around at the start of the 2nd round. Imagine if Tyler Boyd is still on the board when we pick in the 2nd, as of right now that very well might happen.

 

Imagine getting Ramsey/VH3 and then getting Tyler Boyd (Along with Perriman hopefully coming back healthy)

[JoeyFlex5]

I like Yannick as well but he could be a stretch at the top of the 2nd round though. We'll have to see how the combine and everything plays out but I think there will be a few 1st rounder talents floating around at the start of the 2nd round. Imagine if Tyler Boyd is still on the board when we pick in the 2nd, as of right now that very well might happen.

 

Imagine getting Ramsey/VH3 and then getting Tyler Boyd (Along with Perriman hopefully coming back healthy)

its no secret i like boyd, but i just have a hard time believing he will fall to the 2nd, i think treadwell, doctson, and boyd all go in the first, some team may reach on coleman as well expecting him to be brandin cooks. i also have a hard time believing ngakoues stock wont rise to an appropriate place, which is early 2nd in my eyes. he has dominated consistently, and against nfl talent, with a weak supporting cast, and he really just looks like a match made in heaven for what we need, i wouldnt call him a reach at all in the top of the 2nd and i believe if he was going to OSU or alabama or clemson, he would be a consensus first rounder without question. i think so highly of ngakoue that i think he is a top 5 edge defender, and as far as true 3-4OLBs go, he may be the best bet and the most natural fit here, he wont crash his entire edge like bosa, he wont manhandle the run game like lawson, he wont cover as well as jaylon smith, but he looks to be the safest bet to do all 3 at a very high level, and with a strong line in front of him i think he eases into the transition and becomes a 3 down OLB for us and a key building block

[JoeyFlex5]

another consideration for ngakoues greatness, maryland plays from behind pretty much the majority of their season, against big10 competition, where he is facing NFL caliber linemen and more pro style teams who will run the ball when playing with a lead, and he still broke the school sack records. an impressive feat when you really look at all the factors

[Shutdown215]

Solid mock draft, I figure WR be addressed earlier than the third.

[GrimCoconut]

its no secret i like boyd, but i just have a hard time believing he will fall to the 2nd, i think treadwell, doctson, and boyd all go in the first, some team may reach on coleman as well expecting him to be brandin cooks. i also have a hard time believing ngakoues stock wont rise to an appropriate place, which is early 2nd in my eyes. he has dominated consistently, and against nfl talent, with a weak supporting cast, and he really just looks like a match made in heaven for what we need, i wouldnt call him a reach at all in the top of the 2nd and i believe if he was going to OSU or alabama or clemson, he would be a consensus first rounder without question. i think so highly of ngakoue that i think he is a top 5 edge defender, and as far as true 3-4OLBs go, he may be the best bet and the most natural fit here, he wont crash his entire edge like bosa, he wont manhandle the run game like lawson, he wont cover as well as jaylon smith, but he looks to be the safest bet to do all 3 at a very high level, and with a strong line in front of him i think he eases into the transition and becomes a 3 down OLB for us and a key building block

I couldn't agree more. As a Terps fan going to College Park, he's a dominant, athletic player who knows how to get to the QB. He's not very strong and he's not very big, but he shows very very good instincts, great use of hands, excellent athleticism around the edge and good bend, with very good explosion off the snap. While I forgot about him because of other guys, I actually think I do like him more for us than Ogbah because he uses his athleticism better than Ogbah and he is a bit more refined as a pass rusher and less of a project. Ogbah reminds me of the guy from LSU last year, Danielle Hunter. 

 

I love Ngakoue and i am glad you brought him up. I think he is a sure-fire 2nd round pick for us, and probably the best of the guys we could take. I think he will kill the Combine and there may be talk of him being a 1st round pick. I think and believe he'll fall to us in the 2nd, but I think he'd be a stellar pick there. 

 

Hargreaves/Treadwell/Tunsil, Ngakoue, then Bell? Oh, man, that's a nice draft. One of those first three and then the other two would be a killer draft. 

[52liveforever]

_{I like this mock. Really like the Cooper and Boehm picks.}

[January J]

another consideration for ngakoues greatness, maryland plays from behind pretty much the majority of their season, against big10 competition, where he is facing NFL caliber linemen and more pro style teams who will run the ball when playing with a lead, and he still broke the school sack records. an impressive feat when you really look at all the factors

that's a really good point. I really like this mock as well. If we are at 4 I definitely think vh3 or Ramsey is our guy. I don't think that the coaches trying out Webb at safety was a coincidence or due to injuries- I think it's directly tied to them preparing to invest in a cb very early on in the draft and they wanted to get an early look at how Webb handled himself at the position and get him some in game reps. Depending on how they think he did ( and possibly webs willingness to permanently move to the position) could be the deciding factor on whether they go with Hargreaves or Ramsey. The only thing is I think that we might actually end up higher than 4. Something tells me we end up at 3- and that 1 of the 2 between bosa and tunsil will still be there. Which will pretty much have our hands tied and be a no brainer.

Solid mock draft, I figure WR be addressed earlier than the third.

nah I think third sounds about right- esp once we sign a veteran FA receiver. Unless Boyd is there in the early 2nd...which I'm thinking he will end up going near the end of the first. Edited December 11, 2015 by January J

[BMoreDuck]

I was going to do a mock and I had VH3 and Ngakoue as my 1st-2nd as well. Lol. Tunsil is my #1 overall want, but I think the Titans take him to protect Mariota. Protecting Flacco's blindside is key, but Tunsil will be off the board and I don't think Stanley is worth a top 5 pick. I'd actually have a hard time picking him in the top 10 honestly. He just doesn't impress me. I just don't think he'd be a good fit for the Ravens offense. He's a better fit for a finesse team. He's not a smash-mouth kind of guy imo. I like Hargreaves as our pick. He and Jimmy would be a solid tandem. Hargreaves stats weren't as impressive this year, but that just says he hasn't been targeted as much. Down stats for a corner is a good thing.

With Suggs and Doom both in their golden years, we need a fresh, young 3-4 hybrid OLB/DE and Ngakoue fits that mold to a tee imo. If he's there at the beginning of the 2nd he'd be an excellent value pick. I think there's a very good chance his stock jumps though and he finds his way into the 1st rd. If he's there in the early 2nd, he's a no-brainer. The kid has decent size for a hybrid OLB, he has long arms and he gets after it. He definitely has a knack for getting to the ball. He's done well against top talent like Schreff, Peat, Conkling and the dude from tOSU(forget his name) amongst others.

OT, but a move I'd be interested in seeing Ozzie make since we have like seven picks in the first four rounds is that I'd be interested in seeing Oz trade a 3rd and 4th rd pick(plus healthy contract) to get Alshon Jeffery. He's definitely the best receiver in FA and the kid produces. He's in his prime as well. Between Jeffery and Perriman(hopefully) and a future stud TE in Williams Joe would have a few stud targets and we could finally get all of Joe's potential. I think that kind of trade is doable. Another player I'd be interested in seeing Oz make a similar trade for if the Jeffery deal couldn't work out is safety Eric Berry. I've always been a huge Berry fan. I'd love to see a secondary consisting of Smith, VH3 and Berry. I think it could rival Seattle's secondary. I'm just ranting now, but I think one of those trades could potentially happen.

As far as the VH3/Ngakoue as the 1-2 guys I'm all for that. Btw, the Ravens need to throw the kitchen sink at Pagano and get him back to BMore. I'm so over our DC. We need to get back to bring a top 3 defense every year. Lol. A man can dream.

Edited December 12, 2015 by BMoreDuck

[January J]

I was going to do a mock and I had VH3 and Ngakoue as my 1st-2nd as well. Lol. Tunsil is my #1 overall want, but I think the Titans take him to protect Mariota. Protecting Flacco's blindside is key, but Tunsil will be off the board and I don't think Stanley is worth a top 5 pick. I'd actually have a hard time picking him in the top 10 honestly. He just doesn't impress me. I just don't think he'd be a good fit for the Ravens offense. He's a better fit for a finesse team. He's not a smash-mouth kind of guy imo. I like Hargreaves as our pick. He and Jimmy would be a solid tandem. Hargreaves stats weren't as impressive this year, but that just says he hasn't been targeted as much. Down stats for a corner is a good thing.

With Suggs and Doom both in their golden years, we need a fresh, young 3-4 hybrid OLB/DE and Ngakoue fits that mold to a tee imo. If he's there at the beginning of the 2nd he'd be an excellent value pick. I think there's a very good chance his stock jumps though and he finds his way into the 1st rd. If he's there in the early 2nd, he's a no-brainer. The kid has decent size for a hybrid OLB, he has long arms and he gets after it. He definitely has a knack for getting to the ball. He's done well against top talent like Schreff, Peat, Conkling and the dude from tOSU(forget his name) amongst others.

OT, but a move I'd be interested in seeing Ozzie make since we have like seven picks in the first four rounds is that I'd be interested in seeing Oz trade a 3rd and 4th rd pick(plus healthy contract) to get Alshon Jeffery. He's definitely the best receiver in FA and the kid produces. He's in his prime as well. Between Jeffery and Perriman(hopefully) and a future stud TE in Williams Joe would have a few stud targets and we could finally get all of Joe's potential. I think that kind of trade is doable. Another player I'd be interested in seeing Oz make a similar trade for if the Jeffery deal couldn't work out is safety Eric Berry. I've always been a huge Berry fan. I'd love to see a secondary consisting of Smith, VH3 and Berry. I think it could rival Seattle's secondary. I'm just ranting now, but I think one of those trades could potentially happen.

As far as the VH3/Ngakoue as the 1-2 guys I'm all for that. Btw, the Ravens need to throw the kitchen sink at Pagano and get him back to BMore. I'm so over our DC. We need to get back to bring a top 3 defense every year. Lol. A man can dream.

why would we give up a third and a 4th for Jeffrey when he will be a free agent and we can get him for nothing? And either way he will be a bit out of our price range. One guy I think would be interesting is josh Gordon. Teams may be reluctant to take a chance on him due to his off the field issues so we may be able to get him for the low, and Baltimore might be the place that can get his act straight- similar to will hill. I just think he would pair well with perriman and Aiken. I imagine not many people would be a fan of the idea but it's just a thought.

[Orange_Peanut]

Yannick will definitely drop because of his poor 40 time. He has a projected 4.70. That's not the typical speedy rusher teams are looking for these days. We will steal him in the 3rd leaving and bring in Tyler Boyd with the second round pick. Doctson, Treadwell, Michael Thomas and Corey Coleman are all ranked higher than Boyd in my books so its a probable Boyd will be there with our high second round pick. The DUI also sets him back.

[GrimCoconut]

Yannick will definitely drop because of his poor 40 time. He has a projected 4.70. That's not the typical speedy rusher teams are looking for these days. We will steal him in the 3rd leaving and bring in Tyler Boyd with the second round pick. Doctson, Treadwell, Michael Thomas and Corey Coleman are all ranked higher than Boyd in my books so its a probable Boyd will be there with our high second round pick. The DUI also sets him back.

I know some teams will care about his 40 but we better not be one. He's fast off the ball and that's what's most important for me. You may be right. I'll be happy if you are. He's a baller.

[Orange_Peanut]

I know some teams will care about his 40 but we better not be one. He's fast off the ball and that's what's most important for me. You may be right. I'll be happy if you are. He's a baller.

Bank on it. Yannick is this year's Nate Orchard.

[JoeyFlex5]

Bank on it. Yannick is this year's Nate Orchard.

yannick appears much better imo, i was never very impressed with orchard and i preferred kikaha by a mile, just like i prefer yannick to guys like nassib and calhoun who are expected to rise

[Orange_Peanut]

yannick appears much better imo, i was never very impressed with orchard and i preferred kikaha by a mile, just like i prefer yannick to guys like nassib and calhoun who are expected to rise

Oh sorry, I wasn't comparing Yannick to Orchard play-style wise. I was comparing their draft situations. Both guys are slower pass rushers that have draft stocks that are up in the air because of their poor 40 times. Orchard's draft stock actually rose by the end of the process only because of the Senior Bowl, but I don't think Yannick has that luxury to prove himself because he's a Junior. 

[JoeyFlex5]

Oh sorry, I wasn't comparing Yannick to Orchard play-style wise. I was comparing their draft situations. Both guys are slower pass rushers that have draft stocks that are up in the air because of their poor 40 times. Orchard's draft stock actually rose by the end of the process only because of the Senior Bowl, but I don't think Yannick has that luxury to prove himself because he's a Junior.

if he falls because of a 40 time well then lucky us, because I don't think Ozzie would read very much into that. He's a easy 2nd rounder in my eyes

[Guest]

Vernon Hargreaves?

 

Really?

 

OMG....Matt Elam II and not cuz hes a Gator

 

He's got holes.  Watch the Alabama game....but he doesn't have reliable hands.

 

Not in the first round.

the cowboys did us a favor tonight, as of now we are 4th overall. 

 

1. Cleveland - Joey Bosa, rumor has it the FO wants to give johnny failball a shot without pettine intervening, and their pass rush has flatlined, obvious choice here.

 

2. Tennessee - Laremy Tunsil, i see no other reasonable options unless they think VERY highly of vh3 or ramsey 

 

3. San Diego - Robert Nkemdiche, i doubt many teams are taking stanley top 3, and it mostly comes down to nkemdiche to get some desperately needed help on the DL, or ramsey to replace weddle, they go with the higher ceiling guy in the trenches 

 

4. AND THE BALTIMORE RAVENS SELECT.... 

our guy, VH3. clear BPA right here, i truly believe he is the next revis. he goes a long way in tying together our secondary, most refined college corner ive ever seen. 

 

ROUND 2:

Yannick Ngakoue, Edge. possibly the most underrated defender in this draft, come combine time, that will no longer be the case, he will fly up boards and the ravens buy into the hype, some home grown pass rush, this guy looks the part of a ravens OLB, playing in our front seven i think he may have around 8 sacks as a rookie, great athlete and more polished than the average 2nd round edge rusher, great first step, great speed to power, great at turning the corner and finishing, works well taking the inside lane after selling the bend. the only flaw i see in his game is shoddy tackling in the run game, he makes the tackle but he wraps up and deadweights ballcarriers rather than driving tackles. 

 

ROUND 3: 

 

Pharoh Cooper, WR. 

another underrated player, 5'10" but plays much bigger, good burst and solid top end speed, tough.as.nails. love the grit of this kid. plays the ball great, from what ive seen he appears to have vice grips for hands, he would make a good #2 and chain mover, i think he could really grow with joe, he likes the short feisty guys with sick body control and good hands. could do with a little route refinement, he doesnt drop his hips at all, but he has some elusiveness and speed control to his game to suggest he has lots of room for improvement there. steal. 

 

ROUND 4:

pick 1: De'Runnya Wilson, WR. big time playmaker, wingspan guy, good hands, plays physical, just seems to do everything well, reminds me of mohammed sanu a bit. 

 

pick 2: Evan Boehm, C. KO walks and urschel takes over at LG, we have a contingency for zuttah if he decides to catch the bug again and we have a future starting C when his contract is up, some future stability, not a swing guy nor is he viewed as an "elite" prospect so he will easily fall much farther than he should, but yet another steal. 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Who gives a damn if he doesn't have amazing hands? Give me a CB that's amazing in coverage any day of the week. And sure. Let's trash the what, sophomore at the time who was going against the most pro ready college WR at the time. Not like his game is capable of improving or anything

[Orange_Peanut]

if he falls because of a 40 time well then lucky us, because I don't think Ozzie would read very much into that. He's a easy 2nd rounder in my eyes

What made you pick Hargreaves over Ramsey?

[JoeyFlex5]

Who gives a damn if he doesn't have amazing hands? Give me a CB that's amazing in coverage any day of the week. And sure. Let's trash the what, sophomore at the time who was going against the most pro ready college WR at the time. Not like his game is capable of improving or anything

this. How Anyone can actually think hargreaves is some kind of bum is beyond me, likely the same kind of people who think 1 extra year of mediocre play from boldin was worth 7mil and flacco should have been traded instead