Start 'em Sit 'em rest of season

[52liveforever]

So we aren't making the play offs and I think we need to go into full evaluation mode of what we have. I'm not a fan of losing for a better draft pick so that isn't what I am saying we do. I just think it is time to see what we have in some of the "projects". As for the others. We have some guys that are a little banged up and still going out and playing or trying to make come backs when at this point they should just get healthy.

 

I could list a bunch of them we should do, I"ll just list the couple I really want to see and you guys can make additions if you like.

 

Start 'em

Brent Urban- He has looked good from the limited play I have seen. I would like to see him with a heavily increased work load to see what we can possibly get.

 

Terrence Brooks- Safety is really a rhythm position and Brooks is never in long enough to see if he can catch that rhythm. I think it's worth seeing what we have in him because I really liked him at Florida.

 

Sit 'em

Maxx Williams- I've seen enough of Maxx this year to have faith he will be quite the player in this league. That being said I don't think he was physically ready for the leap to the NFL. I don't feel his body quite matured enough to be playing with grown men. Let him get healthy and let his body develop so that he is ready next year.

 

 

 

 

 

[K-Dog]

Sit them so they can be fully rested for the off season ?

Nah.  Many of our current starters are not even starters and giving them as many real life reps as possible can only benefit. 

 

Rotating as many into and out of the game as possible I think is a good idea. 

[Clmraven]

I wouldn't sit Maxx he's a rookie and needs all the reps he can get especially at the tight end position. As for who to start I agree give Brooks some chances, then Arthur brown, Dan brown may have earned himself some extra reps as well.

[52liveforever]

Sit them so they can be fully rested for the off season ?

Nah.  Many of our current starters are not even starters and giving them as many real life reps as possible can only benefit. 

 

Rotating as many into and out of the game as possible I think is a good idea. 

 

Yes, Why let guys who are banged up continue to go out and get banged up more? If we had a shot at the playoffs sure, but at this point it is important to let them be healed up and rested for the offseason so they can use that time to improve instead of spending most of it recovering.

[Guest]

So we aren't making the play offs and I think we need to go into full evaluation mode of what we have. I'm not a fan of losing for a better draft pick so that isn't what I am saying we do. I just think it is time to see what we have in some of the "projects". As for the others. We have some guys that are a little banged up and still going out and playing or trying to make come backs when at this point they should just get healthy.

 

I could list a bunch of them we should do, I"ll just list the couple I really want to see and you guys can make additions if you like.

 

Start 'em

Brent Urban- He has looked good from the limited play I have seen. I would like to see him with a heavily increased work load to see what we can possibly get.

 

Terrence Brooks- Safety is really a rhythm position and Brooks is never in long enough to see if he can catch that rhythm. I think it's worth seeing what we have in him because I really liked him at Florida.

 

Sit 'em

Maxx Williams- I've seen enough of Maxx this year to have faith he will be quite the player in this league. That being said I don't think he was physically ready for the leap to the NFL. I don't feel his body quite matured enough to be playing with grown men. Let him get healthy and let his body develop so that he is ready next year.

 

I'm with you all the way. Play Terrence Brooks, Urban, Boyle lets see what the draftees can do.

 

There are only 4 teams with records worse than ours and that is with wins over the Rams and Browns that would have had us looking at a Haloti Ngata type draft position.  It can still be good...and it has to be.

 

Certainly Arthur Brown.......put Marlon Brown in there for his final shot.

 

Lets evaluate these guys!

Edited December 7, 2015 by Danny D

[rmcjacket23]

Yes, Why let guys who are banged up continue to go out and get banged up more? If we had a shot at the playoffs sure, but at this point it is important to let them be healed up and rested for the offseason so they can use that time to improve instead of spending most of it recovering.

Because a lot of the guys that are banged up are guys we need to be evaluating.

Plus, quite literally 100% of players on 100% of teams are banged up. If they're healthy enough to play, they play. We're not resting guys so they'll be healthy for their 5 month vacation coming up.

Edited December 7, 2015 by rmcjacket23

[52liveforever]

Because a lot of the guys that are banged up are guys we need to be evaluating.

Plus, quite literally 100% of players on 100% of teams are banged up. If they're healthy enough to play, they play. We're not resting guys so they'll be healthy for their 5 month vacation coming up.

 

I'm talking about guys who have lingering injuries who keep missing weeks. When our players have to use the offseason to heal up from surgeries and what not they don't come back at 100%...KO and Jimmy are perfect examples of that.

 

With the guys that we need to be evaluating that have been around Like Urban and Brooks absolutely. Those guys are both banged up, but they do need to be evaluated. I feel we've gotten a fair look at Maxx and we have plenty of time to see more. KO is on his last year and banged up so if we are going to resign him we need to make sure he has a good offseason and not him getting surgeries and recovering from them the whole time. Eugene Monroe, was previously a very healthy player, but as of late he just cant seem to get right. Give him extended time to get right for next season since we are stuck with his contract.

 

I'm not saying bench every player on the roster who has a boo boo, but I am saying there are some that we should consider giving them some extra time.

[K-Dog]

Arguing with opinions that you asked for......
SMH

[52liveforever]

Arguing with opinions that you asked for......

SMH

 

I'm open to other opinions, but why start a topic and not further the conversation? I didn't start the topic to just make one statement and let that be that. I started the topic for discussion. I think differing opinions make conversations like this worth having.  It's just healthy discussion is all. I clarified my stance because it seemed it was unclear as if I was saying bench everyone who is hurt.

[Static]

Zach Orr who was an UDFA is clearly better than Arthur Brown.

 

Nice pick Ozzie.

[spitfire418]

Zach Orr who was an UDFA is clearly better than Arthur Brown.

 

Nice pick Ozzie.

I really like how Orr is playing, but to be honest, they both haven't got a whole lot playing time, especially Brown. Orr is playing good so far, but I would like to see both of them some more.

[52liveforever]

Zach Orr who was an UDFA is clearly better than Arthur Brown.

 

Nice pick Ozzie.

 

That draft kills me. Elam, Brown, Simon who got cut

[spitfire418]

That draft kills me. Elam, Brown, Simon who got cut

Isn't Simon starting for the Texans now? Or playing a decent amount?

[52liveforever]

Isn't Simon starting for the Texans now? Or playing a decent amount?

 

Yeah, and he looked good for us that preseason. I dont know where their heads were at.

[Ravenseconbeast]

You can't make these kinds of choices.  For one, you'll be risking the players on field.   The best way to stay healthy is to control the field.   If either offense/defense stays on one area for too long, you are GOING to see some serious injuries.

[spitfire418]

Yeah, and he looked good for us that preseason. I dont know where their heads were at.

Dang... He barely even got to play for us.

[52liveforever]

Dang... He barely even got to play for us.

 

Yeah, I'm not going to saying he's better, but his numbers are better than Upshaws.

[spitfire418]

Yeah, I'm not going to saying he's better, but his numbers are better than Upshaws.

We need to give our young players a chance to play so we can see what they got, especially before just cutting them. It hurts to see players with potential get little to no playing time and then see them eventually turn out good. I understand it's impossible to play everyone, but there are times when the young players need to get a chance, like with how our season is going this year.

Edited December 7, 2015 by spitfire418

[52liveforever]

Well Boyle is out now so there's that.

[757RavensFan]

Isn't Simon starting for the Texans now? Or playing a decent amount?

 

He had a groin injury during camp/preseason if i recall correctly and released. 

[spitfire418]

He had a groin injury during camp/preseason if i recall correctly and released. 

Maybe he was hurt, but he never got any playing time in a regular season game when he was with us.

[PerpetuallyBored74]

We've been so decimated by injuries that there isn't anyone left who should be playing who is still sitting.

Except for De'Ondre Wesley I guess.

[rmcjacket23]

I'm talking about guys who have lingering injuries who keep missing weeks. When our players have to use the offseason to heal up from surgeries and what not they don't come back at 100%...KO and Jimmy are perfect examples of that.

 

With the guys that we need to be evaluating that have been around Like Urban and Brooks absolutely. Those guys are both banged up, but they do need to be evaluated. I feel we've gotten a fair look at Maxx and we have plenty of time to see more. KO is on his last year and banged up so if we are going to resign him we need to make sure he has a good offseason and not him getting surgeries and recovering from them the whole time. Eugene Monroe, was previously a very healthy player, but as of late he just cant seem to get right. Give him extended time to get right for next season since we are stuck with his contract.

 

I'm not saying bench every player on the roster who has a boo boo, but I am saying there are some that we should consider giving them some extra time.

So basically, when they are healthy enough to play, they should play. How is that different from what I said or what we normally do?

[rmcjacket23]

We need to give our young players a chance to play so we can see what they got, especially before just cutting them. It hurts to see players with potential get little to no playing time and then see them eventually turn out good. I understand it's impossible to play everyone, but there are times when the young players need to get a chance, like with how our season is going this year.

And there's plenty of instances where playing a guy who clearly wasn't mentally ready to play just because they are young turned out to be detrimental to their development.

Plus, never been a fan of benching healthy players who didn't earn that benching just to let somebody else who isn't as good play. Pretty rare that actually helps the team in the long run

[52liveforever]

So basically, when they are healthy enough to play, they should play. How is that different from what I said or what we normally do?

 

That's actually not at all what I meant. I'm saying let some of these guys get to 100% for the offseason. KO for example. He has had surgeries in the past couple offseasons and spent his offseason recovering from surgery rather than getting stronger and staying in good physical shape. It has hindered players like him come regular season.

 

No one in the league is 100% right now, but I think certain players would benefit from taking extra time. What good does having KO play the rest of the season? Maxx needs to bulk up some. His body just isn't ready for this level yet. We know he is going to be a good player. Why not let him get healthy and get him started on a program while the team still has access to him before he heads into the offseason?

 

I'm not saying I'm right or you're wrong because who are we to know. We have two differing opinions and that is fine, but you haven't offered much into how it is more beneficial to keep playing some of these guys other than to bash my opinion without much to say about it. 

[spitfire418]

And there's plenty of instances where playing a guy who clearly wasn't mentally ready to play just because they are young turned out to be detrimental to their development.

Plus, never been a fan of benching healthy players who didn't earn that benching just to let somebody else who isn't as good play. Pretty rare that actually helps the team in the long run

When did I say bench all the healthy players? All I was saying is give them some more playing time and a chance to maybe show what they can do out on the field.

[52liveforever]

When did I say bench all the healthy players? All I was saying is give them some more playing time and a chance to maybe show what they can do out on the field.

Yeah I don't think some people get that we have things we take advantage of with our season being perpetually over. We aren't in this position often so I feel we need to take advantage of certain aspects of it.

Having one of the worst records in the league isn't a great thing, but we need to take advantage of it in certain ways instead of business as usual.

[Tru11]

When did I say bench all the healthy players? All I was saying is give them some more playing time and a chance to maybe show what they can do out on the field.

 

the only way they are going to see more playing time is if you bench the guy that is taking their spot.

 

unless your plan is to send more guys unto the field then allowed lol.

 

giving 1 player more snaps means you are taking away snaps from someone else.

 

taking away snaps from someone who did not deserve it is a very bad thing to do in the NFL.

if you do that you risk losing the locker room and support of the veterans and certainly its going to impact how FA view this team.

[Tru11]

Yeah I don't think some people get that we have things we take advantage of with our season being perpetually over. We aren't in this position often so I feel we need to take advantage of certain aspects of it.

Having one of the worst records in the league isn't a great thing, but we need to take advantage of it in certain ways instead of business as usual.

 

Its a business.

 

players need to earn their snaps.

not get them handed.

 

players will have from jan till like june to get healthy and gear up for a new season.

 

most take a short break anyways and will be training real to get ready.

 

really no point in sitting them and telling them to take a rest cause they wont.

at least those with the will to make the best out of their career.

[usmccharles]

Its a business.

 

players need to earn their snaps.

not get them handed.

 

players will have from jan till like june to get healthy and gear up for a new season.

 

most take a short break anyways and will be training real to get ready.

 

really no point in sitting them and telling them to take a rest cause they wont.

at least those with the will to make the best out of their career.

Not to mention a lot of players are playing for their film to get other shots with other teams.